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hi all. i played on pkr for a while now just small stakes  love the site and play mainly for fun. they just made 6 players pkr pros. i was reading they forum earlier and came across this thread .  one of they new pros threaten to break a players jaw because his ak  didnt beat 10 10.  forgeting the cards is this any way for a pro to behave,  pkr seem to think it ok to behave like this.  they keep shutting threads and say it common place in poker to threaten and engage in violence. i may be wrong but surely this cant be true. any way any oppinions  i be interested to hear.


http://www.pkr.com/poker-community/message.cfm?post=09d1ca38-04fe-4733-bb24-136afe12bec4&pageNo=1


this thread has a response from a member of pkr staff ( pkr_jabba)
http://www.pkr.com/poker-community/message.cfm?post=37befce9-4e14-4e5e-b591-b071a5232c82&pageNo=3

Totally standard in poker mate. When i lose an all in hand i usually wrap a chair round my opponents head unless he has properly sucked out then i normally stab him multiple times.

id be pretty disappointed if the pro;s didnt threathen people tbf.
A pre-requosite for being a pro thesedays is exeptional keyboard warrior, threatening skills.
It stops people raising their blinds and can make people fold huge hands preflop, due to the sheer feer of
being struck with a barrage of abuse in the chat box. Alas, telling people merely to get aids or fk off, just won't
surfice thesedays.

lmao@ dubai.  cool.  so if i finally make my first live game, and i lose no one will battean eyelid if i open a can of whoop arse on the other player???

the poker world now scares me  lol.  think ill stick to the safety of online play. 

If people beat me online I usually pay someone to petrol bomb their house

i was talking about online. Live is a whole different kettle of fish.
If u do venture into the live colloseum, then you may meet dubai, who holds chips out near the line when you go to bet.
This is very intimidating and can force many a player into early retirement, please approch the live scene with the uptmost caution.

I don't really get this tbh.

Did he act like a dick after the hand? Yes.

Is that right? No.

On the PKR thread, James did apologise wholeheartedly for his action, admitted he was tilted up, thought u were going south etc.

He was out of order, but given the vast array of positive character references from people, it would seem it is out of character. If he made a habit of this thing then he would deserve condemnation but as a rarity, we should all be excused blow-ups now and again. Part of being human.

I couldn't read all the pages of the thread as I was about to tilt if I read one more results-orientated, dead money kipper say "he only had ace high" but you did say this "I accept his apology and won't comment on this further."

Why have you posted again then?

lol @ how bad everyone plays in that hand

OP said cheers after the hand. I would have said worse than this.

thanks jungle.  but it wasn't me in the hand. i can only dream of playing those stakes. i just came across the thread and was shocked that a PKR sponsored pro would behave like this on the site he represents. and then even more shocked when PKR staff defended him by  saying  full tilt,  pokerstars pros behave in exactly the same way on they sites. if he was an indiepent pro i understand but what sort of image does this send out about PkR standards. they provide themselves on being the closest friendliest site online.

This is such a joke, even if you are an asshole then you should pretend not to be when representing a business jeebus.

And also another lol at how that hand was played, I actually downloaded PKR for the crack the other day and see they have some semi decent games going.

The most violent and outspoken keyboard warriors would just stand up and leave the casino quietly if they lost in a live game. When they got home they would prob shout at their parents or rip a poster off the wall.

sorry misunderstood. Assumed it was you. Feel free to break my jaw loll.

He's obviously pretty stupid to say what he did. Also you are right that PKR shouldn't be semi-justifying it by saying inflammatory shit like fights happen all the time in poker. Whoever the jabba pkr mod guy is on the forums, he should prob be given a couple of quick lessons in diplomacy.

Also don't worry about playing live. It's been a long time since I saw a fight in a casinio of any note. You're far more likely to get in a fight at your local boozer.

And yeh that hand is horribly played. Even Alex Martin would beat those players if that hand is typical.

Clearly you don't play often enough at Luton.

Lol .... The combatants are usually the funniest thing there.... none of them can fight for a start...

lol, I knew who this was going to be before even clicking the link. This guy has previous for acting like this online, and any respectable site would instantly remove any trace of him as being a representative.

Massive thread, and not enough time to read it all. But, it seems pretty shocking behaviour from their pro. If this was my pro, I'd warn him about his behaviour and say that a repeat complaint would result in immediate sackage.

Have PKR themselves made any comments on the thread?

Guy seemed to be a complete plank live as well.

he seemed alright to me, when ive played with him live. Also left a very generous/daft £4k tip after scooping £40k in brighton.

yeah i thought he repped them v well when in brighton, and tht was b4 he even had a deal.

Yeh I must admit he seemed affable enough in Brighton.

Obv a keyboard warrior and you'd think that he'd know better when being sponsored about how to conduct himself.

[ ] I won't be mentioning breaking his jaw if we're sat at the same table live.

whats his name?

Is this the guy Nick lost too? (I know it doesnt really narrow it down_

james sudworth, came 2nd in brighton main, left 4k tip

thought he seemed ok in brighton too tbh

4k tip. why!?

Hi all, i figure I should chip into this thread too, after someone mentioned it too me that my pretty poor performance at the tables made a second public forum thread...

Firstly, I just want to apologise again, as I have already, it is 100% incondonable to make threatening abuse toward players in general, let alone fellow PKR regulars who i have known and played with on a live and online basis for quite a while.

Meanwhile, I feel as though i do need to stand up for myself, whilst the abuse is inexcusable, it was pure tilt, a steam, a vent of frustration, which straight after i left the table and chilled down, I knew i had madea  big mistake. I think everyone who actually knows me from live or online play knows I am a gentleman at the tbale, I am sociable and make as many friends as possible across the tables, and behaving like an ass, like i did is a definate misrepresentation of my character in general.

I am currently at the JP Masters, and despite running like a sack of potatoes, I have made many more friends at this fabulous tournament, which will hopefully be of an even larger field next year, I really hoped that this matter would have blown over by the time i returned home, so am disheartened it has come to light again, so have taken time off to reply, to apologies one more time...

Anyway, I hope this is the end of this thread, and that it has finally run its course, as i am not sure how else to apologies more for my actions..

P.S. As much as i would like people to think i am that generous, to leave a £4k tip for 10%, it was only £2.5k :-( which to me is a fairly standard if not slightly oversized tip of 5%, which inmy opinion should always be left by minimum 3rd to 1st place finishers in live tournaments, as the quality of dealers that we get in general at our tournaments is of a great and friendly quality...

Anyway, good luck at the tables, and wish me good luck tonight as i try to scour out the nearest bar with Jaegermeister, as we seem to have drunk this hotel out of it, as we do in every casino we play at :-)

Ciao - James666

Don't apologise for abusing a monkey, idiot, tilt inducing monster on line fish.
However, please give a brief apology for reportedly being a member of `the badbeat bunch' and officially kill it.

PKR must be desperate for pros!

Somebody I (who play a hell of a lot of poker online) have never heard of gets made PKR pro.

Threatens to smash one of PKR's customer's jaw and PKR's response is "heh its poker". I am glad I rarely play on PKR.

I thought poker was trying to get anyone from the dodgy underground clubs / characters image.

I could perhaps understand trying to defend a true poker name, hellmuth, brunson, etc. but James nobody?

It would have funny if the TT guy had taken time out to pay the PKR pro a visit.

no surprise to hear about a keyboard warrior struggling with the basic social skills needed to successfully negoitiate real-life situations

thanks for your response's guys. i was just wondering if this was acceptable common place practice for how online pros behave. i for 1 could never believe that any on the ftp pros or pokerstars pro behaving like this on the sites that sponsor them, not without getting a serious talking to  and probable end to they contract.
any way thanks  agian probably find a new poker site to play on with better standards of behaviour. lol

Cheers for coming on and posting James but i feel i have to comment on this. You can't just declare yourself a gentleman because most of the time you are nice at the table, you have to earn that title by NOT behaving like you did in the hand posted by the OP.

I respect your views of me guys, and i am taking it, I was in the wrong, and i accept full responsibilty. It is not like I am trying to disprove peoples perspectives on my actions at the tables, I have already agreed, what i did was wrong, all i can do is make up for it... If i was one of the people who did not know me personally, then I would take the view that i was an unnacceptable addition to the poker circuit too. Not at one point have i tried to defend my abuse, all I can do now, after it has been done, is be  man enough to accept responsibilty, if that means taking stick from a few people, then so be it.

However you look at the situation, my apologies should be enough to end the matter, and the only person involved in the situation, Fishmonger, I have already spoken to, to clear the air... If others want to make a bigger deal out of this small molehill, then so be it.

I stick to my guns, anyone who knows me, and i do not mean 'has played at the same table at me once for a few hands', knows who i really am, everyone else will just have to get to know me to see the real me.

James

Tbf hero in the hand did say "cheers" unprovoked as he scooped, therefore I think a public stoning would be appropriate than breaking their jaw.

Made a mistake, trying to learn from it and move on, fair play and good luck to you.

Plz to be stopping talking the bollox though




wtf would you call the above if not a defence?

Unless by 'not at one point have I tried to defend my abuse' you mean that you haven't stated that you think it's ok to threaten to break someone's jaw.
That's good to know, but no prizes are awarded for holding such a position

But even if there were you wouldn't win one.

I saw this and felt I had to say a few things as I've known James a long time and the guy certainly blew up, but haven't we all at some point and said things in the moment that we look back on and think wtf was that? There's no doubt it was out of character and who knows what personal circumstances may have contributed to it. Furthermore, it's also worth pointing out again that these guys know each other pretty well and have played together for a long time. I play on PKR as SoooSick and there is often some ridiculous banter between us regs. The fact that Fishmonger, on this occasion, took genuine offence and revealed it publicly was an unfortunate byproduct, especially considering James' new position as an ambassador for the site. But in my humble opinion this really should be put to rest now. The guy made a mistake and sadly intimidated a friend publicly, but they have long since talked this through and moved on. The fact that this incident has opened the forum for people to come out of the woodwork and smear a thoroughly decent guys name, for unrelated reasons, is a real shame. But for those impartial readers of which I'm sure there are many...take my word for it that I would trust this guy with my life and to form opinions on him based on a select chat convo from PKR and comments made by certain individuals on here would be a mistake. Just my two cents.

Regards,


Jamie

The fact is "James666" was handing out totally unacceptable abuse on online poker tables a long time ago, as long as four or five years perhaps, on the Crypotlogic network. This was certainly not a one off incident as some are trying to make out.

LOL @ Cyber warriors just LOL

So your mate is a pretty decent guy who is occasionally guilty of childish outbursts at the poker table.

Funny how sites engage double standards to suit themselves. I know of a player who was banned from PKR for threatening someone at one of their live events. So what they seem to be saying is that its ok for their pro's to threaten someone online but not ok for someone to do the same thing at one of their live events. Tbh I think both of them are in the wrong and should be dealt with accordingly.

pretty sure in reply to the 'abuse on cryptologic' that you have the wrong james... I hate crypto network, played there maybe 3 years ago, with a few bucks, must haveplayed for no longer than a few days before leaving it, and have never played the site, so i think this is another player under a similar alias...

I think it's pretty obvious that if you're sponsored by your site this type of behaviour is inexcusable.

I could see other sites dropping their pros for this sort of abuse.

Bottom line is if you are a professional player you should deal with things in a professional manner.

Surely your there to be looked up at by other poker players?

Not ideal reaction really is it despite what your "normally" like

I have to say, regarding players behaviour on other sites, that O have seen a lot of people giving Mike Matusow unfair abuse. Trying to tilt him as hard as they could. I can tell you he broke FT's T&C's a fair few times but never threats of violence etc. Just a lot of swearing, which I think fair enough if people are provoking him for no reason.

In this case, James acted like a fool. He apologised and has a lot of work to do to repair his damaged reputation. Bad form but what's done is done now.

They kept saying that line on Lost last night. Confused the feck out of me tbh.

Lost is teh sux mate. Wasted 1 hour watching the 1st one...FML