blonde poker forum

Just played a 30 man SnG where I bubbled in 6th with top 5 getting paid. I'm left with a sour taste in my mouth because a player who had 255 chips at 200/400 sat out for the final 20 minutes of the game, and ended up finishing 2nd!

Made worse, is the fact that the other players on the table were assisting this cheat to survive. Blinds at 300/600 and the sitter had $555 in the BB. Aggro Donk chip leader who has over 30k in chips has raised everybody for last 20 hands, except when the sitter is in the BB! And the person in SB refuses to call off despite getting superior odds and equity to do so.

Personally I think it stinks that sitters are able to win money. And its even worse when the other players on the table help them. It's my opinion that sitting out is unethical. At least, to do so with no intent of returning and hoping just to win. Surely if you did this in a live game you just get disqualified?

Any opinions on the subject?



Note: it isn't about money, it's about fair play and principles, both have which have blatantly been broken by this sitter.

sorry, you're wrong about this

Its more than in the big stacks interest to keep the sitout in the game...

How do you know he wasn't disconnected?

I don't quite see the issue here. He can sit out as long as he wants, quite legitimately, & morally, as far as I'm aware. I think it's reprehensible to call him a "cheat" on those grounds.

Every player on the Table had an opportunity to take on the "dead man" if, as you suggest, he really had 255 chips with the Blinds at 200-400! Why on earth did everyone Pass when he was in the Blinds every orbit?

The issue of other players "colluding" is a different kettle of fish altogether, of course, but that was not, if I read you correctly, your real gripe.

Totally disagree. The sitting out could have been for a range of reasons we can't reasonably speculate on what the reasons may be. He gains no advantage whatsoever from sitting out.

The big stack taking advantage of the table dynamic as in this situation is just good basic strategy. Maintaining a bubble in order to steal is just good play.

No cause for complaint here.

Exactly this^^

You can't punish someone for sitting out when it could be for all sorts of reasons - the most common being people losing internet connection.

Summed up perfectly.

I think calling this guy a "cheat" is a real shocker!

nope in a live game a player can go away from table as long as he likes and just pays his taxes(blinds) when he needs to
other players can play how they want round his blinds but its hard to fold to an empty chair when others at your table might want to "talk" to you outside

Sit out as long as you like. You've paid your entry fee and they're your chips to do as you want (or don't as the case may be) with.

Don't understand why he'd be cheating, or the difference between him sitting out or folding every hand whilst being sat there?

Correct, & it often happens. And when it does, the other players adjust their strategy accordingly. Or at least, the bright ones do.

If anyone was dumb enough to fold to an empty chair, he'd be laughed out of the Cardroom. Online, players would just contact "Support".

I dont like being called names by a man I respect. I asked what I thought was a legitimate question. If I'm wrong I'm happy to be told so, but to be called names is a tad unfair. I'm a gripe for asking a question and feeling that the SB failing to call half a blind when stacked up with plenty of chips is wrong?

Case closed and I'll move on to the next game. Thanks Mr Kendall for your opinion on me. Proof you should never speak to the people you respect for as they always disappoint

Spot on. It's how Tighty & I play all the time.

huh? did i miss something?

Hold up Fugly! When did I "call you names"? Quote me, please. At NO stage did I call you anything, or imply as such. The question was answered honestly, & respectfully.

But I'm used to disappointing peeps. Sorry bout that.

I thought you called me a gripe (after reading it twice). Read it a third time and you said something different.

Im a fkin idiot.

Maybe cheat was a bit harsh, but that is what I thought and I thought I would ask the question.

Why couldnt I have a go at the dead man? I was directly to the right of the guy with over 30k chips who was going all in every hand or calling ANY all in with ANY two cards. So I couldnt go unless I showed strength. When I did, it was set over set and I was out.

No Fug you got it right.

He meant to say "You're a real gripe".

Unfortunately he's been to the Ironside school of punctuation so it's made to look like he wasn't insulting you at all.

He very nearly got away with it too.

the difference in a live game though is that if you're away your cards are dead.  I don't like that some sites will let sit-outs show down their hands and they often double up from the blinds.  Pokerstars kill the sit-out's hands I believe.

From a poker perspective, it suits the big stack to keep a disconnect/ sit out alive whilst on the bubble.

He can continue to steal blinds with impunity. If you were the big stack, would you not be thinking the same? You should be!

Here's my 100% accurate % breakdown of why people are sat out.

Disconnected - 90%
Gone to Loo - 5%
Fallen Asleep - 3%
Miscelleanous domestic reasons - 2%
Sat out to gain tactical advantage - 0%

You can't tilt at disconnects just because you bubbled. Get a gripe!

50p please, gripey.

you missed out 'can't be arsed to finish the game'!

Hush you. I so nearly got it through, too.

Or in my case, it's standard strategy when I have half a BB.

I also missed out a whole bunch of reasons why someone's hands aren't free to uncheck the "fold to any" button.

I was trying to be nice Claire, you gripe.

There's lots of distracting pictures of chicks on the interwebz

 ;whistle;

(http://deepdark.net/content/binary/chicks.jpg)

:) I've never been called a gripe before.  I quite like it!

50p shipped

I don't know why I shied away from the obvious "are you sure it was a disconnect and not just Tikay?"-type jokes.

Maybe the Tikay= tight ;sleep;, Tikay = old ;tk;, Tikay = trainspotter   :tikay: gags are just passe these days.

We need a new reason to mock you! I think I'll start watching Skypoker a bit more often to brush up on material   ;carlocitrone;

...watch your step !

It sounds like big stack played it very well, perpetuating the bubble by protecting the micro stack is pretty standard, but the calling other all-ins loose is a cut above.

Sounds like he's come from the BigJoe2003 school of bubble bullying that involves spite calling other people so they learn to keep their thieving mits off his bubble.

The two strategys seem to have complimented each other well by the sounds of it. People don't want to go all-in on the sit outs blind because they know they're going to get called by big stack, and so the cycle repeats itself for another round.

You should totally look upon the whole thing as a learning experience. This dude took advantage of the dynamic to lock in the win.

Well you have not one, but TWO opportunities this evening.

At 8.30pm, it's the new "In-Poker", from Edinburgh. We recorded some GV Links by the Forth Rail Bridge, spectacular it was, too, with trains running over it as we filmed. The more observant amongst you MAY notice a bit of a curve-ball I managed to get in the Opening Link, when we were discussing the Bridge. I've been reprimanded by Management already, sigh.

And at 9pm, with Miss Orpe as my Partner, and in our sexy new bells & whistles Studio, it's the Live 5-00 Simulcast.

There, see how covertly I sneaked that spammage in?

If you can't find anything to mock me about in those two Shows, you really ain't trying very hard.

I might play the 5-oo thingy tonight - sort the leverage out please Tony :)up

Consider it donedid.

excellent.  I might just tactically sit out til victory then :)

watch it or i will take all your chips next time we bump heads