Sitting out when 'on your arse' - Ethical or not?

[EvilPie]

No Fug you got it right.

He meant to say "You're a real gripe".

Unfortunately he's been to the Ironside school of punctuation so it's made to look like he wasn't insulting you at all.

He very nearly got away with it too.

[Claw75]

the difference in a live game though is that if you're away your cards are dead.  I don't like that some sites will let sit-outs show down their hands and they often double up from the blinds.  Pokerstars kill the sit-out's hands I believe.

[JungleCat03]

Just played a 30 man SnG where I bubbled in 6th with top 5 getting paid. I'm left with a sour taste in my mouth because a player who had 255 chips at 200/400 sat out for the final 20 minutes of the game, and ended up finishing 2nd!

Made worse, is the fact that the other players on the table were assisting this cheat to survive. Blinds at 300/600 and the sitter had $555 in the BB. Aggro Donk chip leader who has over 30k in chips has raised everybody for last 20 hands, except when the sitter is in the BB! And the person in SB refuses to call off despite getting superior odds and equity to do so.

Personally I think it stinks that sitters are able to win money. And its even worse when the other players on the table help them. It's my opinion that sitting out is unethical. At least, to do so with no intent of returning and hoping just to win. Surely if you did this in a live game you just get disqualified?

Any opinions on the subject?



Note: it isn't about money, it's about fair play and principles, both have which have blatantly been broken by this sitter.

From a poker perspective, it suits the big stack to keep a disconnect/ sit out alive whilst on the bubble.

He can continue to steal blinds with impunity. If you were the big stack, would you not be thinking the same? You should be!

Here's my 100% accurate % breakdown of why people are sat out.

Disconnected - 90%
Gone to Loo - 5%
Fallen Asleep - 3%
Miscelleanous domestic reasons - 2%
Sat out to gain tactical advantage - 0%

You can't tilt at disconnects just because you bubbled. Get a gripe!

[AndrewT]

So I couldnt go unless I showed strength. When I did, it was set over set and I was out.

50p please, gripey.

[Claw75]

Just played a 30 man SnG where I bubbled in 6th with top 5 getting paid. I'm left with a sour taste in my mouth because a player who had 255 chips at 200/400 sat out for the final 20 minutes of the game, and ended up finishing 2nd!

Made worse, is the fact that the other players on the table were assisting this cheat to survive. Blinds at 300/600 and the sitter had $555 in the BB. Aggro Donk chip leader who has over 30k in chips has raised everybody for last 20 hands, except when the sitter is in the BB! And the person in SB refuses to call off despite getting superior odds and equity to do so.

Personally I think it stinks that sitters are able to win money. And its even worse when the other players on the table help them. It's my opinion that sitting out is unethical. At least, to do so with no intent of returning and hoping just to win. Surely if you did this in a live game you just get disqualified?

Any opinions on the subject?



Note: it isn't about money, it's about fair play and principles, both have which have blatantly been broken by this sitter.

From a poker perspective, it suits the big stack to keep a disconnect/ sit out alive whilst on the bubble.

He can continue to steal blinds with impunity. If you were the big stack, would you not be thinking the same? You should be!

Here's my 100% accurate % breakdown of why people are sat out.

Disconnected - 90%
Gone to Loo - 5%
Fallen Asleep - 3%
Miscelleanous domestic reasons - 2%
Sat out to gain tactical advantage - 0%

you missed out 'can't be arsed to finish the game'!

[tikay]

No Fug you got it right.

He meant to say "You're a real gripe".

Unfortunately he's been to the Ironside school of punctuation so it's made to look like he wasn't insulting you at all.

He very nearly got away with it too.

Hush you. I so nearly got it through, too.

[tikay]

Just played a 30 man SnG where I bubbled in 6th with top 5 getting paid. I'm left with a sour taste in my mouth because a player who had 255 chips at 200/400 sat out for the final 20 minutes of the game, and ended up finishing 2nd!

Made worse, is the fact that the other players on the table were assisting this cheat to survive. Blinds at 300/600 and the sitter had $555 in the BB. Aggro Donk chip leader who has over 30k in chips has raised everybody for last 20 hands, except when the sitter is in the BB! And the person in SB refuses to call off despite getting superior odds and equity to do so.

Personally I think it stinks that sitters are able to win money. And its even worse when the other players on the table help them. It's my opinion that sitting out is unethical. At least, to do so with no intent of returning and hoping just to win. Surely if you did this in a live game you just get disqualified?

Any opinions on the subject?



Note: it isn't about money, it's about fair play and principles, both have which have blatantly been broken by this sitter.

From a poker perspective, it suits the big stack to keep a disconnect/ sit out alive whilst on the bubble.

He can continue to steal blinds with impunity. If you were the big stack, would you not be thinking the same? You should be!

Here's my 100% accurate % breakdown of why people are sat out.

Disconnected - 90%
Gone to Loo - 5%
Fallen Asleep - 3%
Miscelleanous domestic reasons - 2%
Sat out to gain tactical advantage - 0%

You can't tilt at disconnects just because you bubbled. Get a gripe!

Or in my case, it's standard strategy when I have half a BB.

[JungleCat03]

Just played a 30 man SnG where I bubbled in 6th with top 5 getting paid. I'm left with a sour taste in my mouth because a player who had 255 chips at 200/400 sat out for the final 20 minutes of the game, and ended up finishing 2nd!

Made worse, is the fact that the other players on the table were assisting this cheat to survive. Blinds at 300/600 and the sitter had $555 in the BB. Aggro Donk chip leader who has over 30k in chips has raised everybody for last 20 hands, except when the sitter is in the BB! And the person in SB refuses to call off despite getting superior odds and equity to do so.

Personally I think it stinks that sitters are able to win money. And its even worse when the other players on the table help them. It's my opinion that sitting out is unethical. At least, to do so with no intent of returning and hoping just to win. Surely if you did this in a live game you just get disqualified?

Any opinions on the subject?



Note: it isn't about money, it's about fair play and principles, both have which have blatantly been broken by this sitter.

From a poker perspective, it suits the big stack to keep a disconnect/ sit out alive whilst on the bubble.

He can continue to steal blinds with impunity. If you were the big stack, would you not be thinking the same? You should be!

Here's my 100% accurate % breakdown of why people are sat out.

Disconnected - 90%
Gone to Loo - 5%
Fallen Asleep - 3%
Miscelleanous domestic reasons - 2%
Sat out to gain tactical advantage - 0%

you missed out 'can't be arsed to finish the game'!

I also missed out a whole bunch of reasons why someone's hands aren't free to uncheck the "fold to any" button.

I was trying to be nice Claire, you gripe.

There's lots of distracting pictures of chicks on the interwebz

 

[Claw75]

I've never been called a gripe before.  I quite like it!

[FuglyBaz]

50p shipped

[JungleCat03]

Just played a 30 man SnG where I bubbled in 6th with top 5 getting paid. I'm left with a sour taste in my mouth because a player who had 255 chips at 200/400 sat out for the final 20 minutes of the game, and ended up finishing 2nd!

Made worse, is the fact that the other players on the table were assisting this cheat to survive. Blinds at 300/600 and the sitter had $555 in the BB. Aggro Donk chip leader who has over 30k in chips has raised everybody for last 20 hands, except when the sitter is in the BB! And the person in SB refuses to call off despite getting superior odds and equity to do so.

Personally I think it stinks that sitters are able to win money. And its even worse when the other players on the table help them. It's my opinion that sitting out is unethical. At least, to do so with no intent of returning and hoping just to win. Surely if you did this in a live game you just get disqualified?

Any opinions on the subject?



Note: it isn't about money, it's about fair play and principles, both have which have blatantly been broken by this sitter.

From a poker perspective, it suits the big stack to keep a disconnect/ sit out alive whilst on the bubble.

He can continue to steal blinds with impunity. If you were the big stack, would you not be thinking the same? You should be!

Here's my 100% accurate % breakdown of why people are sat out.

Disconnected - 90%
Gone to Loo - 5%
Fallen Asleep - 3%
Miscelleanous domestic reasons - 2%
Sat out to gain tactical advantage - 0%

You can't tilt at disconnects just because you bubbled. Get a gripe!

Or in my case, it's standard strategy when I have half a BB.

I don't know why I shied away from the obvious "are you sure it was a disconnect and not just Tikay?"-type jokes.

Maybe the Tikay= tight , Tikay = old , Tikay = trainspotter   gags are just passe these days.

We need a new reason to mock you! I think I'll start watching Skypoker a bit more often to brush up on material   

...watch your step !

[thetank]

It sounds like big stack played it very well, perpetuating the bubble by protecting the micro stack is pretty standard, but the calling other all-ins loose is a cut above.

Sounds like he's come from the BigJoe2003 school of bubble bullying that involves spite calling other people so they learn to keep their thieving mits off his bubble.

The two strategys seem to have complimented each other well by the sounds of it. People don't want to go all-in on the sit outs blind because they know they're going to get called by big stack, and so the cycle repeats itself for another round.

You should totally look upon the whole thing as a learning experience. This dude took advantage of the dynamic to lock in the win.

[tikay]

Just played a 30 man SnG where I bubbled in 6th with top 5 getting paid. I'm left with a sour taste in my mouth because a player who had 255 chips at 200/400 sat out for the final 20 minutes of the game, and ended up finishing 2nd!

Made worse, is the fact that the other players on the table were assisting this cheat to survive. Blinds at 300/600 and the sitter had $555 in the BB. Aggro Donk chip leader who has over 30k in chips has raised everybody for last 20 hands, except when the sitter is in the BB! And the person in SB refuses to call off despite getting superior odds and equity to do so.

Personally I think it stinks that sitters are able to win money. And its even worse when the other players on the table help them. It's my opinion that sitting out is unethical. At least, to do so with no intent of returning and hoping just to win. Surely if you did this in a live game you just get disqualified?

Any opinions on the subject?



Note: it isn't about money, it's about fair play and principles, both have which have blatantly been broken by this sitter.

From a poker perspective, it suits the big stack to keep a disconnect/ sit out alive whilst on the bubble.

He can continue to steal blinds with impunity. If you were the big stack, would you not be thinking the same? You should be!

Here's my 100% accurate % breakdown of why people are sat out.

Disconnected - 90%
Gone to Loo - 5%
Fallen Asleep - 3%
Miscelleanous domestic reasons - 2%
Sat out to gain tactical advantage - 0%

You can't tilt at disconnects just because you bubbled. Get a gripe!

Or in my case, it's standard strategy when I have half a BB.

I don't know why I shied away from the obvious "are you sure it was a disconnect and not just Tikay?"-type jokes.

Maybe the Tikay= tight , Tikay = old , Tikay = trainspotter   gags are just passe these days.

We need a new reason to mock you! I think I'll start watching Skypoker a bit more often to brush up on material   

...watch your step !

Well you have not one, but TWO opportunities this evening.

At 8.30pm, it's the new "In-Poker", from Edinburgh. We recorded some GV Links by the Forth Rail Bridge, spectacular it was, too, with trains running over it as we filmed. The more observant amongst you MAY notice a bit of a curve-ball I managed to get in the Opening Link, when we were discussing the Bridge. I've been reprimanded by Management already, sigh.

And at 9pm, with Miss Orpe as my Partner, and in our sexy new bells & whistles Studio, it's the Live 5-00 Simulcast.

There, see how covertly I sneaked that spammage in?

If you can't find anything to mock me about in those two Shows, you really ain't trying very hard.

[Claw75]

I might play the 5-oo thingy tonight - sort the leverage out please Tony

[tikay]

I might play the 5-oo thingy tonight - sort the leverage out please Tony

Consider it donedid.