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Title: dillemma
Post by: vinni on May 23, 2009, 07:54:16 PM
right i have new neighbours ,its my brothers house and he rents it out .
the problem is this young couple who have a baby at 18 months old .
the fact is they have party's till 2 in the morning after 11.0 they turn the music down ,which is`nt very good for my daughter who`s been sitting her Sat's .the other night they was arguing at 4 in the morning ,i flipped and went mad after 2 minutes all went quite .
they tried to tell me it was`nt ther fault that the baby woke up .it was the noise that made it wake up
the next day when i saw the boyfriend i told him in not so many words ,if he did this again i would rip his face off.
he rang the police and they took me down to the nick shop fo 2 hours ,no charge ,the thing is i can`t say anything to him now .
he`s now taking the piss .he repairs cars on the front of the house .till about 10 at night .
i`v just found out that he signs on the dole .

do i grass on him to the dole place . ( i`v never grassed on any one in my life )

or get some on to sort him out .   (theres a lot of lads who ow me favours )

i know this is not a question you get asked every day but i don`t know what to do .


thx

    barry


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: Indestructable on May 23, 2009, 08:00:01 PM
Can I go for both?
 :dontask:


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: G1BTW on May 23, 2009, 08:37:48 PM
If you get someone to "sort him out" I can't think there would be any way the police would suspect it was you who initiated it. Apart from the earlier threats of course... ;)
Just because you threatened him and ended up in the nick for a bit doesn't mean that your right to enjoy your property in peace and quiet goes out the window. Take the legal steps open to you:
-find out who his landlord is (probably the council). The landlord has a duty to ensure that he is not causing a disturbance.
-contact your council's noise abatement team. They will come round and take sound recordings and issue him with warnings etc. They can't do a lot about screaming babies but they can do something to stop the shouting and certainly the music (seizure of equipment etc).
-Make a log of all disturbances and record them. Provide these to the council noise abatement team.

*If there isn't a council noise abatement team, contact the police.

If the car noise was bothering me and he is repairing them while on the dole, yeah I would shop him for sure. I'd personally probably shop him anyway after he reported the threat. If I made a lot of noise and a neighbour came round and threatened to rip my face off I'd be pretty alarmed but could understand his issues enough not to shop him, that was really crappy of him.

Really crap neighbourly relations aren't nice, they'll be with you in spirit for most of the time that you're there.


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: JayEm1 on May 23, 2009, 10:29:51 PM
get 1 of your boys to sort him out, either get them to have words with him or break his face

the worst thing is having such neighbours imo


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: Colchester Kev on May 23, 2009, 10:35:21 PM
Barry, if you have "had a word" and he has ignored you ... MOVE HOUSE, he is obv mental !!


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: vinni on May 23, 2009, 10:38:07 PM
i know who the land lord is it`s my brother ,the only problem is he lives in Thailand


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: vinni on May 23, 2009, 10:39:11 PM
Barry, if you have "had a word" and he has ignored you ... MOVE HOUSE, he is obv mental !!

thx for making me laugh kev i`v been fuming for a couple of days.


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: I KNOW IT on May 23, 2009, 10:58:03 PM
You could try singing to him. he should leave within 24hrs


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: kinboshi on May 24, 2009, 12:10:56 AM
Tell him some bad beat stories...


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: TightEnd on May 24, 2009, 12:15:01 AM
Give them a copy of the racing post with your tips highlighted  :D


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: GreekStein on May 24, 2009, 12:54:10 AM
Barry, if you have "had a word" and he has ignored you ... MOVE HOUSE, he is obv mental !!

lol so true


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: thetank on May 24, 2009, 02:21:13 AM
Don't grass him up to the dole people.

You say it's something you've never done in your life. Fair play.
Don't sacrifice your principles on account of this scrote.


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: seven2unsuited on May 24, 2009, 02:56:59 AM
the only thing that will work is to chap the door when their having a party,  pick the biggest guest there knock him out along with the dickhead of a boyfriend.  no one will want to go near your house for a party after that.  taking the legal step you may get peace and quiet once the kid is a teenager then it will be the kid having the parties. 


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: I KNOW IT on May 24, 2009, 03:11:13 AM
i know who the land lord is it`s my brother ,the only problem is he lives in Thailand

He must have a contact number. Get in touch with him and get him to kick the fookers out.

Dont grass him up to the dole as much as you probably want to though.

If this fails go round and kick the absolute shit out of him, they might give you 3 months inside but at least you will get some peace and quiet


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: rex008 on May 24, 2009, 12:42:38 PM
I don't see how there is a "principle" involved in not reporting someone for benefit fraud. That's your and my tax money he's stealing. If he walked in every house on your street and nicked a quid out of every wallet you'd probably report him to the police, wouldn't you?


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: vinni on May 24, 2009, 01:18:48 PM
got in contact with David (brother) he says he cant get them out without taking them to court for an eviction order ,which will take three months ,there contract is up in 4 months so we`ll see from there .

last night was quite ,it only seems to happen when his mother is there ,which is most times of the week.
if worst comes to the worst i`ll end up having a go at him and his father ,who`s about 39 years old .
he`s about 6,foot 4 and like a bean pole ,a bit like his son .but easily sorted.

I don't see how there is a "principle" involved in not reporting someone for benefit fraud. That's your and my tax money he's stealing. If he walked in every house on your street and nicked a quid out of every wallet you'd probably report him to the police, wouldn't you?

i`m not into telling porky`s about people working while claiming as it seems to happen a lot around here ,also if i did this and some one found out my name would be mud around here ,if you want pm me and you can do it ,i`ll give you his address.

Barry, if you have "had a word" and he has ignored you ... MOVE HOUSE, he is obv mental !!

lol so true
what you trying to say lol.

gl barry.


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: Claw75 on May 24, 2009, 02:15:34 PM
why is it 'not right' to report someone for what is, essentially, theft, but seemingly totally acceptable to encourage someone to use violence to get some kind of 'resolution'?  I'll never understand you menfolk!!!!


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: vinni on May 24, 2009, 02:39:24 PM
why is it 'not right' to report someone for what is, essentially, theft, but seemingly totally acceptable to encourage someone to use violence to get some kind of 'resolution'?  I'll never understand you menfolk!!!!

i live on a nice quite road ,that is till this idiot moved in ,that's the way i want to keep it as i`v lived here for over 20 years.
the thing is if you grass on some one on this eastate you would`nt be able to show your face round here as your life would be made hell.
its something i`v been brought up to do never tell stories.


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: StuartHopkin on May 26, 2009, 09:56:11 AM
why is it 'not right' to report someone for what is, essentially, theft, but seemingly totally acceptable to encourage someone to use violence to get some kind of 'resolution'?  I'll never understand you menfolk!!!!

i live on a nice quite road ,that is till this idiot moved in ,that's the way i want to keep it as i`v lived here for over 20 years.
the thing is if you grass on some one on this eastate you would`nt be able to show your face round here as your life would be made hell.
its something i`v been brought up to do never tell stories.

I agree with not telling stories.
But surely you know some of those special people who not only will sort this problem but will also take the time to explain what will happen if he involved the police afterwards? All explained in a nice professional step by step guide  :D


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: vinni on May 26, 2009, 11:57:40 AM
sse you wednesday stu ,i`ll explain.

gl

  barry


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on May 26, 2009, 12:29:02 PM
Looks like you will just have to sit tight for a few months until your brother doesn't renew the contract mate.

We had a similar situation with our neighbours recently, loads of noise/parties etc, fortunately after having the balls to finally go round and asking them to calm it down a bit, they did so, but I've got the landlords number just in case.

As for the grassing up aspect of it all, that's the last thing I'd do, must be a bloke thing as I'd rather kick his fkin head in than be a squealer.


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: gambleingaz on May 26, 2009, 12:50:45 PM
watch him for a set routine (ie does he go out on a certain night) get a balaclava but do not speak n give him a good hiding,repeat till he moves or gets the message.......experiece says he will move,hope this helps


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: StuartHopkin on May 26, 2009, 01:33:23 PM
sse you wednesday stu ,i`ll explain.

gl

  barry

Yeah ill see you Wednesday, I owe you a pint for the tip on Saturday, it almost covered Saturday nights expenses! Lol


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: Swordpoker on May 26, 2009, 05:05:53 PM
Did you try to resolve this amicably before threatening to rip his face off?


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on May 26, 2009, 05:44:38 PM
Did you try to resolve this amicably before threatening to rip his face off?

You dont know Barry, do you?


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: tikay on May 26, 2009, 05:46:13 PM
Did you try to resolve this amicably before threatening to rip his face off?

You dont know Barry, do you?

Got it in one.



Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: vinni on May 26, 2009, 06:40:04 PM
Did you try to resolve this amicably before threatening to rip his face off?

You don't know Barry, do you?

Got it in one.



i actually asked him a few times to calm it down ,i even gave them my old 3 piece chairs to tied them by ,as theres was falling to bits .
it all started around Christmas ,you can`t say anything about some one celebrating this joyous occasion ,so i never said a word to them .

it seemed to carry on through January then i asked them to be a bit quieter after 10 o clock ,they did this for a while .
then it was every Friday when his mother came round ,when every one got drunk and rowdy .
then all these young lads and lass`s started turning up all aged around 16/17  ,it got beyond a joke ,so i asked him once again .
it quietened down for another month ,then it went of again last week ,that's when i had a serious word with him .
its annoying me now because he`s started driving up and down the road at speed (he has`nt even past his test ).

i`m frightened to death its going to come to grief .theres a lot of young kids on the street playing .
i have to do some thing about this but i don`t know what to do .
it would`nt take much doing if i wanted to hurt him ,but that is a last resort.

gl

  Barry.


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: vegaslover on May 26, 2009, 08:37:37 PM
I had similar with next door neighbour a few years back with late night parties, they used to start around 1 am and go till about 4. not great when i get up for work at 5:30. started off at weekends and ended up being 4 times a week.
Threats did fuck all, the police were even more useless.
the only thing that worked was phoning the council/environmental health every time, and logging the noise, then speaking the environmental health officer.
They went round and threatened to take his stuff away, and it stopped straight away.

re: the grassing up - I can understand about the not grassing for benefits, but fucking about in cars down streets with kiddies playing in is another matter, think the police should be made aware of that


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: ruthless1 on May 27, 2009, 05:11:23 PM
This is a hard one, and being brought up on estates i understand about the grassing its something you dont do, they need to know that they cant carry on  the distressing you and others that live in area, the main concern i would have is about his driving up and down the street like twat, i would have to get that stopped otherwise i couldnt live with myself if something nasty was going to happen to an innocent person or kiddie
I live in a quite cull de sac and know and again we have a neighbours son racing up to the end and i have 4 daughters that play out the front, the girls dad went up to him and just lifted him off the ground and a few words this cleared the matter up, but violence is not the answer.
hopefully what goes around comes around and this guy gets what he deserves, there is always someone bigger and nastier around the corner, lets just hope this idiot gets to see what the otherside is like.


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: GreekStein on May 27, 2009, 05:17:32 PM
Barry I've been thinking about the best solution too and it's a little extreme but he's pushed you too far. It's time for...................................










nipple cripple



Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: phatomch on May 27, 2009, 05:18:28 PM
get your brother to name you as the contact for leasing the property that way you are allowed access at any point to inspect the house, you also then can hand him a letter telling him of noise complaints and that it goes against his lease conditions, then you can tell him that the lease does not allow him to work from the property.


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: dik9 on May 28, 2009, 11:35:16 AM
Get a fcuk off loud Stereo, whack it up full and go away for the weekend, tell your nice neighbours the plan, so they know whats happening.


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: kinboshi on May 28, 2009, 01:37:54 PM
I had similar with next door neighbour a few years back with late night parties, they used to start around 1 am and go till about 4. not great when i get up for work at 5:30. started off at weekends and ended up being 4 times a week.
Threats did fuck all, the police were even more useless.
the only thing that worked was phoning the council/environmental health every time, and logging the noise, then speaking the environmental health officer.
They went round and threatened to take his stuff away, and it stopped straight away.

re: the grassing up - I can understand about the not grassing for benefits, but fucking about in cars down streets with kiddies playing in is another matter, think the police should be made aware of that

This.

If you do nothing and a child is seriously hurt or killed, how would you feel knowing that you could have done something to help prevent it?


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: steeveg on May 28, 2009, 02:05:43 PM
dont blow him up to the police or social, he is 100% in the wrong, he could twist it round that your the baddy ,you cant explain whats  happened to everyone so you could finnish up with a lot of neighbours thinking you are trouble and cant be trusted,if you are going to hit back with noise i wouldnt do it at night,do nothing for a week or so and log his routine, what days to hit back to hurt the most, explain to neighbours otherside of you whats going on .do it early in the morning,dosent have to be music blasting, DIY with a big hammer for hours ,it will take the shine off his little parties,if you know he is scared stiff of you, he cant have much backing running to the police so if he trys to run off when you have been making the noise stand at the front door with a big smirk when he comes out of the house, humiliation will be hard to take.


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: vinni on February 14, 2010, 11:45:51 AM
        i went to play the 20 20 at DTD yesterday ,got knocked out early after getting kk cracked 4 times in the first level .
after buying in to the 50 freeze out at 8 ,i get a call of the wife telling me they have been partying again and have thrown a 4 foot mirror over my front garden ,it had smashed on the fountain ,i was home by 8.45 .

          when i got home the front garden has glass every were ,this hasnt stopped since last year ,but hasnt been as bad .the thing is every time i have been round he rings the police .so last night i did it for him .
  the only thing is when theey turned up it was me who got locked up .the piece of s..t was stood on his doorstep shouting what he was going to do .god this scruffy idiot is a mug .my brother has just rang me and told me they have had the kids took of them ,they are blaming me .how the feck is it my fault ,i dont party untill the late hours ,i dont stand there swearing at them (as he does )you can here him bullying the oldest one who is 3 years old and not his .
 
           all hell broke loose around here last night untill about 1.30 this morning it was mentle  ,the police let me out at 4 this morning with no charge ,they have given me a number to contact monday morning so i can get them out .


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: Girgy85 on February 14, 2010, 12:44:30 PM
You got KK 4 times in one level?

Rigged IMO!


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 14, 2010, 12:58:11 PM




IMO you should go play poker somewhere like 40-50 miles away one night wait until the comp has started then send your boys around, this was you have proff it was not you and you had nothing to do with it

£100 and im sure girgy with take care of it for you

Plus just in case the police read this i will delet it in 24 hours


Good luck


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: thediceman on February 14, 2010, 01:50:59 PM
get your brother to name you as the contact for leasing the property that way you are allowed access at any point to inspect the house, you also then can hand him a letter telling him of noise complaints and that it goes against his lease conditions, then you can tell him that the lease does not allow him to work from the property.

An agent or landlord has no legal right to access the property, unless for safety concerns ie gas leak or property not secure, and the tenant is entitled to change the locks to unsure that no enter is made without their consent. Even if the tenant is in breach of the lease/contract you will have to go to court and issue a section 8 under certain subsections but these are often subject to the whim of a judge. If they are more than two months in arrears you could go for a section 8 under these grounds and this is normally the quickest method to evict someone, but even this takes months.

You stated that their tenancy ends in a 4 months. The best but is to sit out this period and not renew the tenancy. But if you do this make sure your brother takes out a section 21 order asap setting the end date of this tenancy term otherwise the contract will automatically transfer to a periodic tenancy which means any notice given at this stage will mean the tenant has a further two months before they have to move out. It's a pain but unfortunately you have to make sure you use the correct legal procedure or you could find your stuck with them longer than you have to.

Having said that you have tried to be reasonable with him but he isn't interested. Even worse it is he who is hiding behind the law like a little scumbag. Sometimes you have to deal with some people in the only way that they will understand. As a result "old school" rules apply to this guy if only to teach him some respect.
 ;nemesis;








Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: vinni on February 14, 2010, 02:47:07 PM
i just want him out ,they have cost me money as my house has lost money because of the state of theres.
they have gone down my front wall with a hammer its a joke .i could easily go round and hurt him no probs but i don't want locking up ,10 years ago i wouldn't have given a monkey .


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: thediceman on February 14, 2010, 03:31:55 PM
i just want him out ,they have cost me money as my house has lost money because of the state of theres.
they have gone down my front wall with a hammer its a joke .i could easily go round and hurt him no probs but i don't want locking up ,10 years ago i wouldn't have given a monkey .

I understand your frustration but to get it resolved you need to be systemic in dealing with the issue rather than being emotional. The tenant has only cost you money if they damage is left unresolved once they have moved unless you are in the process of selling your house now and accepted a lower than market value offer. The fact the landlord is your brother puts you in a far better position than most people in a similar situation. I have outlined the legal procedure for you. The only other alternative you have, if you wish to get ride of them asap, is to see if they will sign a "deed of surrender" which means they leave the property on a set date prior to the one agreed in the tenancy agreement. This deed needs to be signed by both the landlord and the tenants and in effect realises both parties from their legal obligations. The question is, is the tenant likely to take this option ?. Not by the sounds of it. He seems like the neighbour from hell but is he really worth doing time for and risk separating you from your family.

Tip. The tenant has a legal obligation to provide a forwarding address at the end of the tenancy. Always handy for those dark nights and means it's away from your own doorstep.


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: GreekStein on February 15, 2010, 01:47:31 PM
i just want him out ,they have cost me money as my house has lost money because of the state of theres.
they have gone down my front wall with a hammer its a joke .i could easily go round and hurt him no probs but i don't want locking up ,10 years ago i wouldn't have given a monkey .

You big poof.

Want me to sort it next time I'm up?

Meanwhile KK 4 times in the first level - wtf!


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: mouth on February 15, 2010, 03:05:12 PM
Hi Barry, Diceman has given you the correct information about getting these tenants out. If they've had their kids taken away from them then presumeably the handouts will stop, and therefore the rent won't get paid so things may speed up a bit.

Grassing anyone up is your own choice and no one else can advise on how you woudl feel if you did that. Can't understand how if they threw a mirror over your wall and smashed your garden feature (never had you down as that type of guy tbh :) ) you got locked up.. actually I can, you probably lost the plot I guess?!

Go to the Police and/or the Council Anti Social Unit with everything written down and tell them you want action as you don't want to end up another statistic when you kill yoru anti social neighbours - or they kill you.


Title: Re: dillemma
Post by: vinni on February 15, 2010, 07:24:58 PM
Hi Barry, Diceman has given you the correct information about getting these tenants out. If they've had their kids taken away from them then presumeably the handouts will stop, and therefore the rent won't get paid so things may speed up a bit.

Grassing anyone up is your own choice and no one else can advise on how you woudl feel if you did that. Can't understand how if they threw a mirror over your wall and smashed your garden feature (never had you down as that type of guy tbh :) ) you got locked up.. actually I can, y
ou probably lost the plot I guess?!

Go to the Police and/or the Council Anti Social Unit with everything written down and tell them you want action as you don't want to end up another statistic when you kill yoru anti social neighbours - or they kill you.
apparantly he has disorder where he loses his wragg all the time ,so i have a millon do gooders on my back to keep away .
if i had done any thing i could understand it ,i just want them out of my life for good before it gets out of hand .

if it goes on any longer i dont know if i can bite my bottom lip any more.
let one off these so called dogooders have them as neighbours.