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This year see's the first yar with the new roof and it will certainly have an impact.  The grass this year at Wimbledon has been relaid again and is a different type of grass to take more heat from the enclosed roof, if it is needed.  This grass is apparently slightly denser than the previous grass and should allow for the ball to zip through slightly quicker than last year.  All in all the speed of the ball from a few tests that have been done is the equivelent to playing at Wimbledon about 4 years ago.  Sadly its still no where near as quick as it was and the all rounder will still be able to over come to big serve and volleyer over the 5 course match.

The draw in the Mens is obviously weakened with Rafa dropping out and all the attention will be back on Federer especially after his French Open win.  Fed's starting price is 10/11 (Sky and Tote) and is quite a generous price considering his record here.  I dont really see Fed strugglig until the later rounds but over all I think he will make this Grand Slam win number 17.  Its more fun trying to find some value down the line and get a good run for your money and for me this year there are a few that offer some great value.

Before I say who they are I suppose I should mention Murray.  Personally I dont see him winning this; yes all the English will be behind him and he has played well in the AEGOn champs but I dont see him beating a few of the top guys on grass.  Seeing as he is 3/1, I can only see patriotic money going on him and I shall be laying to 3/1 available on betfair.

The main guy to probably gain from Nadal withdraw is Juan Martin Del Potro.  He has been moved up the seeds and has a great draw.  He should have a very easy opener against Arnaud Clement and looking further down the draw he could meet Andy Roddick in the 1/4's and then Murray in the Semi's.  Personally I really think he can beat Murray.  Del Potro's long drawn back forehand can be flattened out and he has added the Volley to his game in recent months and his extended reach could turn him into a great player at Wimbledon.  He is currently ranked 5 in the World and clearly has a great game.  He is currently available at 28/1 on betfair and seems a cracking price to me.

Mens :

Federer @ 10/11 - 5 Points Win
Del Potro @ 28/1 - 2 Points
Lay Murray @ 3/1 - 2 Points

The Womens comp could be a mine field for backers.  The Women at the moment dont have a clear number one and I think every major will be won by a different player.  At Wimbledon the Williams clearly have to be up there with the big contenders but Wimbledon normally throws up a surprise with an unseeded, or late seeded player having a great run.  Safina has a good draw but again her mentalilty for choking at Grand Slams comes into question.  She cant volley and her movement wont be suited to grass.  She will probably go through a few rounds easily and then struggle late doors.  The best draw of the comp has to be for Venus Williams but she has been known to throw in a shocking match and lose to an average player.  I think Wimbledon this year there will be a lot of close matches with the Women and without being able to seperate the top few im going for a few outsiders here: -

Sharapova @ 9/1 - Back from her injury and seeded 24.  She has a decent draw and shouldnt have a tough game till Serena in the 1/4's.  This is her surface really, she loves playing at Wimbledon and her power and serve are still very strong after her shoulder surgery.

Dementieva @ 30/1 - If this girl could serve she would have been a top 4 player for years.  Sadly her 2nd serve is probably the worst on the tour but has improved no end over the last 2 years.  Again she has all the experience and could beat anyone on her day.

Mirza @ 500/1 - This little Indian girl has so much power for being only 5 ft 4" tall and has had some great results at Wimbledon in previous years.  She hits the ball so flat and has a very short swing which is ideal for the low bouncing ball at Wimbledon.

Thanks for that Neil

Cliffs notes for anyone who cba to read that:

Get the lot on Federer.
Have a bit on Del Potro too - valoooo
Only patriotic buffoons bet Murray.

Women shouldn't play sport.

+ Some other shit about grass and roofs n stuff.

p.s thanks Neil

Nice summary bud :)

1pt win Verdasco @ 119

Have you ever/do you use a program called OnCourt?  I gave it a bash a bit back but never really paid that much attention, but it seemed pretty good for all the stats on things.

Phenominal bit of kit and wouldnt live without it now.

I ink within 10 mins of using it I bought the 99 yr update thing

Really?  I may invest in it again then.  Even when I didn't have a punt, it's so interesting looking through various stats and match ups in it.

I backed Del Potro at 34's a couple of weeks ago - he did drift out to about 40 but is now 30.

Have also backed Karlovic at 200 with a view to trade and Djokovic at 17.

What sort of odds can I get on Laura Robson to win Wimbledon before she's 18?

On Roddick @ 30's for interest purposes only...

Robson is immense for a 15 year old.  Hits the ball so hard.  Shame her coach is called Martijn Bok though.

Blake's gonna cock up my acca.   Not sure why I had a bet at 2.3 on him just now though, no excuses for that one!

hantuchova= ;kev;

I know it goes against all sensibilities, but any of you watching the Sharapova v Kutuzova match should close your eyes for a bit. The sounds those two make when they hit the ball are incredible.

It's horrendous.  Like the screams echoing down the corridors of a maternity ward.

yea watched the first 3 points of the 2nd game, had to turn it over

When I first saw Daniella my han-tuch-ova too

LOL.

She looked much better before she turned into a skeleton.  Not sure if it was an eating disorder or something else, but she was very, very thin at one point.

She went crazy for a bit and stopped eating.

Ah!  That'd do it.

All 3 women safely through their first round games today

good stuff champ- may back some of your tips. Spot on re the French

Ah Laura looked devisted in her press conference, felt sorry for her.

[ ] good days tennis for me

[ ] pleased for Seppi and Beck

(http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/pr/subs/swimsuit/images/09_daniela-hantuchova_09.jpg)

Pervy comments must be accompanied by pictures ffs.

My mate reckons Ferrero to beat Youznhy is a good bet, what do you reckon?

i disagree, Youznhy ftw.

wp tank very wp. shes just awesome. Brag-met her in bratislava few yrs ago

without wanting to say too much i suggest people have a look at backing Jurgen Melzer today, maybe even in straight sets ;)

When you say without wanting to say too much do you mean he's 1/14 so probably gonna smash the guy off the court anyway?

Why aren't Will Hill giving me a match score price?

because some bookies have stopped taking bets on the correct score due to too many "known faces" betting on him winning in straight sets.

10 times the money has been bet on Melzer than most other first round matches at Wimbledon.

£23k matched on Betfair on the A Murray match set betting - £130k matched on the Melzer set betting  :o :o

bet365 will let you have £140 @ 4/7, not much but its something

just got a huge chunk on at sky bet

what time is murry playing?

3rd on, so late

cheers

Blatch a bit of advice if you dont mind.

Why is David Ferrer trading at 1000 on Betfair.
The guy won the Dutch tournament on grass last year, before losing in the 3rd round at wimbledon to Ancic.
he has had a fairly decent year, reaching the finals in Dubai and Barcelona, and most of his defeats have been to the top players.

He plays Kevin Kim today which should be a walk in the park.  He should play Stepanek in the 3rd round, then meet Del Potro in the 4th.
Del Potro will probably be too good for him, but surely there is very decent trading material there.

Or have i missed something totally?

Darn it, should have checked the thread earlier.  Melzer trading a bit too low for me now, 1.35 for straight sets on BF.

Simply because he a genuine 1000 shot.  The bookies never give a true price as most of there profit is made making the true 1000/1 shots 100/1 on their books.

He is a decent player and by far one of the best Spanish players on grass but Kevin Kim wont be a push over here for him. 

Personally I think he is one of the more capable players that are listed at 1000 but still dont see him doing anything special here.

Ok cheers.

Well i've had a small interest at 1000/1 and will see what happens over the first couple of rounds.
Dont get me wrong - i dont think he has a chance of winning it - but he just looks to be a very good trading opportunity and i expected his odds to be around the 500 mark.

Bit of advice bud, put a lay up at around 600 today and I reckon it will be taken if he wins today and then over night he will go back out to 1000 so you can give yourself an even bigger bet for free

3:0 Melzer just been matched at 1.11 LMFAO

wow, he's only just less than that to win overall!

On over 17.5 games in the Williams match.  I don't expect Voegele to do much, but I'm hopeful for  6-3 6-3 or better!

is 6-3, 6-2 not less than 17.5 games?

Oops, yes, I modified what I was writing and reversed it but forgot the score 6-3 6-3 is what I'm after :D

hmmmm, not looking good at the moment

nervous times needing one more but i fancy ya chances

Laid off a bit back so good either way now.

break in the first game rofl

1st set 6:1

Blatch when you get this sort of information do you go for a maximum bet or are you still wary of it?

Depends who it comes from.

I have about 3 or 4 people that like to tell me certain info.

There is one guy who gives me dogs and one guy that give me Tennis stuff and when they tell I get whatever I can get on.  The other two im a bit more wary of.

Is one you're wary of a dog expert from Sheffield?

ummmm no lol

Seriously guys, watch this if you can, so funny.

Its on option 5 through red button.

Odesnik just had a half court ball and high and he pushed it wide when he could have hit a normal top spin shot.

Watching now, he seems like hes moping around albeit just the couple of points i saw

think my red button's broken, only getting 3 matches and that's not one of them

ROFL

Even the commentator taking the mick out of how much he is missing his serve by

Yea extremely wayward serving, the comm saying hes struggling with movement has he been injured or had treatment or anything?

He has a trainer on for a thigh strain.

I guarantee he wont pull out as all the gamble has been on 3:0 Melzer and bets are voided if someone pulls out.

He will soldier through with the "injury"

(  ) They will pay out on this. If it was just the dodgy betting patterns there'd be a chance but the game has been a farce.

Guarantee Betfair will pay out as they will want all the comission

Betfair have voided at least two tennis matches before, I can't see why this will be different. It is the definition of suspicious betting patterns.

The 2 they have done have been a lot worse than this one though.

Very clever with the fake injury as can blame in on that and say he didn it a few days ago.

Lol at the match on court 5.

Hanescu and Navarro are 2 sets all and 9-9.
Hanescu breaks to go 10-9 up and is seving for the match.  Navarro has not broken his serve all match, but he does here to level it at 10 all.
Proper grandslam tennis.

They were on a bigger scale but won't it just be obvious that they've wised up and decided not to be so greedy. Anyway gl I hope they pay out even if I don't much like the obv fix.

So funny.

Now to get paid

I've been paid out already  :)

Been paid by all 3 :-)

Fantastic day .... just before I go Vegas too ;)

What was the Meltzer score then?

Should have read this before going work!


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6:1
6:4
6:2

What price was the straight sets win?

think it got as low as 1.1

[ ] Murray was convincing

standard frist round stuff

When I first mentioned it, it was 1.4 with sky and 1.57 with bet365.

On betfair was matched at 1.11 before the game started, went off at 1.2 with all bookies refusing to offer any prices

Today's Bets.

Seppi to beat Gicquel @ 1.7 (He was class at times against Blake and showed some balls which is unlike him. Gicquel has a decent serve which makes him dangerous but Seppi should have enough.)

Spadea to beat Andreev @ 3.6 (Andreev is a bit of a mug especially on this surface whereas Vince is an old pro. Andreev may well get through but I reckon he wont find it easy.)

Tipsarevic to beat Fish @ 2.48 (Tipsarevic has a very good grass record and especially loves Wimbledon. Is too big against Fish imo.)

Agrii Neil?

Betfair have reported irregularities in the betting on the Melzer game yesterday!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/8116305.stm

it was probably just brent lumping on

I'm on Canas to beat Montanes at 1.72 too

"Graham Sharpe, media relations director of William Hill, said it had not made any complaints because it saw nothing untoward in the betting patterns"
orly?

Feds isn't even 1.2 to win in straight sets.   

Montanes to beat Canas

Tips to beat Fish

Sharapova to beat Dulko - ( Just so I have an excuse to watch   ;kev; ;kev; ;kev;)

Tipsarevic seems to be on life tilt.

And he's wearing sunnies ffs.

hip injury??

Dunno, seems ok, just throwing his racket about and hitting balls into the crowd.   

Oh, and playing shit too.

You can have Sharapova - I'll have Dulko  ;kev; ;kev; ;kev;

(http://www.pollsb.com/photos/o/9167-gisela_dulko.jpg)

That's the one ;)

Fantastic game, and Dulko is playing some great stuff to go a break up in the final set.  The commentators are so far up Sharapova's arse though that they might pop out of her throat soon - which will at least stop the screaming/grunting.

She looks like she should be ballroom dancing, probably the tango

She could dance with me anytime.

Fantastic match, and a much deserved win for Dulko, despite the comments throughout from the sycophantic commentators.

Good job she hasn't seen you dance!

Hewitt to beat Del Potro at 2.98, yes please.  COME ON!!!!

Dulko won.

Worth watching the highlights later imo.

;)

Dulka played brilliantly - great game

Any tips for today?  I over slept and didn't wake up till 10am so haven't had time to look at the games yet.  Am on Hewitt though.  I don't know much and probably am wrong but I think he's of some value.

Dont think Hewitt has a hope to be honest.  He is now at 3.8 and should really be at about 5.0 IMO.  Got 1.45 on Del Potro yesterday so am fairly pleased.

No single bets apart from Del Potro for me today - just looking for Ferrer and Warwinka to win to give me decent trading opportunities.
Think Murray is too short at 1.07 though against a dangerous opponent.

what would be a gd price for del potro/murry straight sets double?

meh not even 3/1 on skybet, added in baltacha to get beat giving me about 7/1 prob a redic bet but w/e

Match of the day - Caroline Wozniacki v Maria Kirilenko.

(http://www.tecnocino.it/wp-galleryo/caroline-wozniacki/caroline_wozniacki.jpg)

(http://www.tenis.info.ro/img/sexy/maria-kirilenko-01.jpg)

much awesomeness

With Dulko v Sharapova yesterday and this today, the Wimbledon draw-masters are spoiling us.

:D

Dan, people are gonna start thinking ur obsessed with dulko!!

[  ] They'd be wrong

zzzz wp del potro

Hewitt's a stubborn plucky bugger isn't he.  Got to love him for that.

Yeah what a movement over the court, I think he is out to prove he has still got it!

Hewitt's good on grass

Great first set.  Such a competitor, and like the tall one said - he likes the grass.

Doh got to go out will have to put the rest of game on record!  I would like to see Hewit win but I think Del Potro should win this if his knee holds out.

Laid some off, freerolling ftw

COME ON!!!

Serving to go 2-0 up...

Which he does, and he breaks Del Potro in the first game of the 3rd set.

Done my bollocks with Del Potro in this match and outright - unless he can produce a miracle!!

How can you bet on del potro?

Look how scrawny his arms are.

I was close to lumping on yesterday. I don't even remember why I didn't, probs just got distracted. got v.v. lucky there

Well I'm quite pleased with myself :)

Yeah, WP Silo. I had a little on too.

wozniacki is quite incred  ;kev;

lets go murry!

Not wanting to push my luck too far, but is there any value at all in Gulbis?  He was pretty good a year or so ago, and he's still only 20.  Could be  a bit of danger if he sorts himself out?  Not sure I want to put money on him though, just wish Murray wasnt' 1.07!

I don't really think so. Murray in 3/4 sets for me, Gulbis has had a horrible year so far.

only 10 wins whole yr canny see it, murry would have to be shocking and he plays best game

yeah it's not going to happen by the looks of it :D

VWP Murray

Did you hear McEnroe Slaughter Murray's opponent before the game ...  was so funny, John Lloyd was cringing.

Yeah i thought that was a bit mad lol

What's on today then?

I'm on

Razzano against Zvonareva at 1.72
Hass against Cilic at 1.74

I'm looking forward to Karlovic v Tsonga, it could be the best match so far in the men's.

Damn, Zvonareva injured in the doubles

a most remarkable miss from federer there. not sure I've ever seen anything like that before

Federer >>>>>>>>>>>>> Line judge

a blind monkey>>>>>>>>today's line judges. it's quite shocking

apart from the one on the baseline a few games back none of the ones he's challenged have even been close

Court 3.

Beauty v the Beast.

I would love to see Dulko win this match - I think she has a lot of talent.

It's not looking good for her

I thought you were referring to Court 4

[X] It's not looking good
[  ] She's not looking good

Got to say she has a lot of guts

:'(

Kazarenka vs Cirstea.

The brown haired one is a lovely treacle

Oh yes, I too have just discovered Sorana Cîrstea.

She's helping me get over the disappointment of Dulko going out.

lol you men - its like when women watch men rub their balls when playing cricket!

oops - meant rubs their ball!

not enough coverage of ivanovic this year imo

This is one hell of a match if any of you can spare a few minutes away from your perving...

I had a chunk on Andreev to beat Seppi yesterday @ 1.95. play was suspended @ 2-1, 5-5 in the 4th so need him to finish the job 2moro.

Im interested in Davydenko to beat Berdych tomorrow @ 2.14 on betfair. Theyve never met on grass but have played 8 times on clay, indoor and hard and Davy is 8-0 up.

i cant resist a price like this with an 8-0 head to head record, he kills him.

I mean, Ok, Davy isnt great on grass, but hes not that bad.

Price looks very generous. I'm on.

On Davy and also Ferrer today

She won the French open!!!!!!!!!!! and shes now about to lose me my last pennies!!!!!!! GIVE ME A BREAK

Someone has to look in to match fixing at Wimbledon... Kuznetsova threw that game! I would like a report into this!

 ;shame;

ORLY?

Anything today? 

Gone for the Williams sisters to both win in straight sets as an acca thing, plus Dementieva to win 2-0 too. 

What price did you get for that lot?

It was only the Williams sisters in the acca, the Dementieva game had kicked off but it was 2.31 on BF.

fml, Ivanovic retires at the start of the 2nd.  I guess that's my bet cancelled :(

I wonder how long the queues are for volunteers to massage Anna Ivanovic's groin  ;kev;

directions to this queue please

Today I've had :

Dementiava

V Williams

Rawanska (?)

Hewitt

Newcastle Knights

Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie!!!!!!

This is when the wheels usually fall off for Andy Murray, therefore ive stuck £10 on wawrinka to beat Murray @ 10/1

Waw currently 2-0 up in first set after breaking Murray in the opening game

Another Break from Waw puts him 3-0 up, with the serve next! Looks like 1-0 sets coming my way

Come on Murray. You have to get to the semis before you let the British middle classes down a la Tim!

this is a very different murray from the one we've seen in the past so I don't like betting based on what he's done in the past

I do like your bet for different reasons though, playing the game indoors seems to be negating a lot of murray's power and 10/1 looks a big price

TBH Gatso i only really went for the bet due to the price, anything above 7/1, 8/1 i was betting

1-0 Waw winning it 6-2


Match will finish 3-1 Murray!

On Murray 3-1 and just under evens

go go go

Fuck my bet, Murray is getting me pumped up to Fuck here!

Go Go Go Scottish Andy




Scottish Dave

FYP

If he loses- he can be Scottish again

As long as thats the only name you changed in that post!!!! lol

10pm and its just gone to a 5th Set!

What a match, Wawrinka is playing the best of his life here to hold Murray

Im Still behind Murray!

Go Go Go Muzza

gogo Andy

gg fingernails

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What a game of tennis, great stuff, well played both.

phew

incredible stuff. one of those matches no-one deserved to lose

i hate tennins, but for some reason i enjoy wimbledon. What a great game.

That was awesome

Sport at it's best.

BRILLIANT !!

Was truly epic. Gasquetesc from last year. Ferrero will have loved how long it went on for though.

Mon the Scottish Legend!

Great game, bit worried how much that has taken out of Murray.

Wimbledon to start having night sessions, like the US and Aussie open?

awesome match vwp andy

Was a match from the top drawer.

I love that Warwinka's backhand! Murray did well and think a test will have done him good.

Anyone going to put me off Haas to beat Djokovic as a value punt?

Haas 3.3, beat Djokovic in the warm up final on grass two weeks ago


What about Hewitt over Roddick at 3.5?

Both worth a punt imo. Hewitt beat Roddick last time out on grass too, only last month.

I like both of these Tighty.

Hewitt's a battler - can see this match going to a 5th set.

ermmm

Novak Djokovic  1.45  £446.53  £200.94

Only thing that would concern me with Hewitt is the injury he picked up in the last round - if he isnt fully recovered then Roddick wont let him off the hook like Stepanek did.

Djokovic is playing a lot better than what he is being given credit for, but Haas is a dangerous opponent.  As i am on Djokovic outright i will be keeping away from the outright match betting, but i have backed Djokovic more aces at between 1.54 and 1.6.
He has served 47 aces in 62 service games compared to Haas' 31 aces in 69 service games.

Probably a bit late but make sure you put a bet on Haas at a bookie which doesn't require the game to be complete, as Djokovic is a massive quitter and is liable to retire when he feels he is beat.

The rules on this vary from bookie to bookie.

Betfair usually only require the first set to be completed.

Fed is dismantling Karlovic. Some of the returns of serve are sensational

Haas implodes 6-5 up with a break in the 2nd, loses his serve horribly. Nervy in the breaker too

edit, just saved three set points

Rock on Tommy at 3.35 please!

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Novak Choke-ovic is shite!
That is all.

I hate Novac.  Losing 3 set points in the tie break, not only that but to lose the next 2 too, 8-6 from 3-6 up

Wanker.

Come on Feds, 3-0 needed please.

Expect him to start limping and calling for the trainer if he goes a break down in the 3rd.

Awesome.  I reckon this Federer guy may have a future in this game :D


Come on Murray.

gg life.

Novak Muppetovic, that shot @ 6-6 was unreal.

All is not lost

Novak does appear to have a powder puff temperament though

Djokovic to win the 4th quickly before Haas wins a thrilling 5th.

Horner thanks to your mate on FB posting on your status I put a wedge on Azerenko yesterday!!!!

ship!

Nice bet Rich.  Here's to Hewitt!

Murray was ruthless there ... pretty impressive.

Had it on in the office but apart from his girlfriend (LBOC - btw) who were those two birds they kept showing on the telly?

lol me too, I want him in the ground now.

Im doing my brains on Wimbledon, i need Federer to win it to get out.

current Miss Scotland and last year's Miss UK

Went to school with Murray, were ranked tennis players and one is now a tennis coach

I suggest he might have done. both

I have Roddick to win 3-1 here.

I have Hewitt, but Roddick looks in great form, and a strong favourite

Has this bet settled yet?

I am probably missing the joke, but given I laid Djoko on betfair as an arb and it has been settled.

Roddick actually beat Hewitt last time out I believe, at Queens.

This is another really good match, just in from work but it's great to watch.

Simultaneously ?  :o

gogo Andy.

Can't stand Djokovic so delighted to see him punted out. Roddick v Murray should be good.

Thinking of putting a double on for both Williams sisters to win in straight sets, anyone think this is burning money?

nah, not burning money at all, altho think Safina could knick one and considering backing her on the game handicap + 4.5 @ evs.

Sounds like good value to me, it works out slightly better than 5/2 if they are both 4/6 I think.

it works out at 7/4 if they are both 4/6.

you cant get 4/6 in 2 places anywhere tho unfortunately, 6/4 is your best bet with Paddy Power, VC or Willhill.

Yeah my bad, I was looking at a return of about £275 for £100 and I'm only on my 2nd cup of coffee  ;shame;

Fair enough imo Raplh.

Nope, gone for the same bet.  Can't really see anything else of value tbh

blimey, that's all yer bets screwed then

thought safina might take a set but not dementieva

Dementieva is playing pretty good.

I thought the Williams brother was going to walk all over Dememtieva the way the first set was going, but after she came back from 0-40, she really started moving.

But now it looks like Serena is getting well back into it now.  I really can't see beyond a Williams brothers final.

You wouldn't say that to her penis face

u fkin jinx's. had £200 at 7/4 special at coral. tyvm

No, but I think I might have bokked her.

Come on Elena!!!   Had a sneeky one on her to cover my loss with the double.

Perv.

Really?  You wouldn't?

Wow - now that was close.

sick match. i wonder if blatch backed her at 30s??

only if she wins

Since he doesn't have access to BF or trust George with his account, I would doubt it ;)

What a game of tennis, best ladies game of the championships so far. 

Yes, best mixed game of the tournament so far.

Finally had a winning tennis bet after about 5 losers in a row.

Laid Serena 2-0 @ 1.66.

Doing the same in the Venus match @ the same price.

Don't call it a comeback Baby!

Was it Serena's member you were dressed as in that caption comp?

(  ) Calling Serena Williams a man is funny.

Venus -4.5 in this one for me.

as in 2 sets to love?

note to self: learn to read

+1 Stunningly talented women.

I'd kill for her shoulders

If you press i on bbc coverage right now it says something like:

Women semi finals day. Can Maria Sharapova make the final?

Uh NO!

Blatch backed her at slightly bigger than 30's sadly.

Ive had to virtually knock Wimbledon on the head sadly as being out here has killed everything, so ive just stuck with the outrights.

Federer will make me a profit overall if he wins it.

What are people's thoughts on the Murray match from a non betting point of view today.

For me personally, i have found it difficult to want to see Murray win in the same way i wanted Henman to win.

Not to sure of the reason for this, could be that he is Scottish and not English (did the scots want Henman to win the same way they want Murray to win?), could be his miserable charachter, or could just be the fact that i wont be able to see the final if he makes it as i am at the boys 6-a-side tournament.

Watching the Murray v Wawrinka match, when it went to the 5th set, i really didnt mind who won, as i felt that Wawrinka deserved it on the day.

As it stands at the moment i have to say that i am not overly fussed whether he beats Roddick today or not.

Just wondered what other people's thoughts are on this?

I'd like him to win. That said I think either would lose a final to Federer.

Don't care about the Scottish/English thing, think he's a much improved player, and a much improved player that's British. Clearly he has bulked up and added power but I especially like the craft of his game, the slices and the drop shots which are at odds with what you see from a lot of the others

That second serve is still his biggest weakness

Even if he loses today, he's done himself proud. Not easy to deal with the added pressure of being a Brit going deep at Wimbledon as Henman always found.

+2 How is calling a man a man meant to be even remotely funny?

I will be laying Mr Murray this afternoon Im just not sure how much.

No real technical reasons, I dont care where he is from, I just expect him to fall to pieces at some point and I think it will be this afternoon.

Apathy to be honest.  Funnily enough, I had the same interest in Henman.  I just can't get excited about Murray, although he's a fantastic player and only a matter of time before he wins a slam imo.  I neither like nor dislike Murray though, I just find him....a bit meh.  There are some players that get you excited and have a charisma about them.

Or maybe I'm just a miserable sod.

The reason you wanted Henman to win is because you know he never really had a chance.

Agree - especially his second serve.  He has potential to win as he has beaten both Federer and Roddick more than once, though I feel it is not his year this year, as Federer is really on top form and I think Federer will win.

Hmmm don't get this apathy for Murray, if anything I think Henman was a more bland character whereas I think Murray has a either hate or love him character. Is the apathy more to do with the fact you don't like him but feel you should be supporting cos he is British?

I like Murray and think he is a terrific talent that is starting to reach his potential, I expect him to beat Roddick in 3 or 4 today and give Federer a good game in the final.

this for me

The thing is i dont hate him either.
I dont sit there every game he plays praying for him to lose as i did with Greg Rusedski.

If he wins today he wins - i just want the first British player to reach a Wimbledon final for a gazillion years to be someone that i can really get behind and support.

[  ] Well read.

I said I felt the same towards Henman as I do with Murray.  No difference.  When Henman played Ivanisevic, I was cheering Goran on - not Tiger Tim.  I'm usually fairly patriotic as well, but just can't 'get up' for either of them.

Not fussed on either, Come on Roddick...

lol at the Murray bashing.

matt50, he doesn't have a miserable character on the court so that's ridic, and how can you say Wawrinka deserved to win more than Murray? stupid post.

Murray just got laid

Interesting and thoughtful comments about the subject.................until this post.

I dont think there has been any Murray bashing on here - just people's honest views on what they think of him.  I havent seen people start calling him names or any derogitory comments about him.

IMO Murray spends the whole time moaning at himself, telling himself to focus, generally looks unhappy at everything going on around him - compare that to Federer/Nadal etc and they are total opposites.

Wawrinka played well above himself, and had break points in each set.  Just because Murray eventually won the match does that mean he deserved to win?

Yeah, you're right, Fed and Nadal always look delighted on court.

So true, Nadal looks like the crowd just stamped on his nans cat.

Federer sure struggled against Haas.

Very impressive.

Fed really is a beautiful sportsman to watch. You just get that feeling of greatness watching him.

Murray basher.

There's a bet on BFfor an acca on the mens and ladies finals

Feds/Serina at 3.2
Feds/Venus at 2.06

You can back these two and be in profit.   The downside is that Feds has to win.  He's now down to 1.35 on BF, but unlikely to drop further prior to the final. Would he drop if Roddick makes the final instead of Murray? 

There's a bet in there somewhere where you can't lose, can't work out if it's worth it or not!

Thats why!

You would have to lay Fed and then you have an arb. With commission taken into account I don't think this works.

                                                                                                                                       Murrays serve face reminds me of this
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I would like to change my original opinion.

I now want Murray to lose.
I thought he would but now im praying he does.
The man has no class.

GO GO RODDICK

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Useless BRITISH tennis player.

useless english player

Excellent result Mr Roddick, well done sir.

Brilliant from Roddick.

Dont you like him either?

Not sure he frequents these forums

i can confirm he is a member

Thanks Guys

im gona win it all

anyone slating murray is a mug imo he is clearly one of the best he had an off day and lost to a guy whos sixth itw ffs wp gg better luck next time all take a bet with anyone at the fair price that he wins a major in next 2year 

Yes i think experience told in the end, hes only 22. He should have put the ball away a couple of times and hit it back to Roddick.

I like Roddick and say well done in winning the match today, however, I cannot see him beating Federer who is on top form.   

In respect to Andy Murray,  I am willing to bet anyone that he will be a Wimbledon champion one day. He has a lot of raw talent and unlike any other British men's tennis player, he has the guts and determination to do it.  However, I think that in recent matches he seems to be playing more defensively and his true talent came out after he lost the first set, he came out with aggressive determination and I thought he played the beginning of the second set with his natural talent.  It seems to me that it is not natural to him to play long rallies to try and force an error on his opponents part which he seems to be doing a lot lately and perhaps that is the way his coach has advised.  I believe that if he served like he did in his earlier matches and played more aggressively like he did in the first game of the second set he would have won the match, as he is one of only a few who can return Roddick's brilliant serving.

Congrats to Roddick, better man one on the day etc.

Bit gutted as a Murray fan but he will come again and stands a decent chance on his best surface at this years US open as well as future Wimbledons.

If it wasn't for the whole Scottish thing I probably wouldn't be bothered about Murray either. (as is I love him and am gutted)

I got right behind Henman because he was a true underdog (ie he was pisch)
Someone like Murray though who looks odds on to bink a major at some point. Pfft, who can be arsed with that. Where's the suspense.

If Murray wins a major, or Wimbledon even, there won't be a national holiday. It'll be like finding a toy when you pour your cereal in the morning. All plastic fantastic, but you knew it was defo in the box.

Good post Tank. I can relate to it alot

Murray basher.

Anyone give Roddick a chance tomorrow?

Not really.  Nothing against Roddick, but Feds just never looks in trouble, he's just too good.

No but i didn't yesterday

1.98 for Feds to win 3-0 looks tempting!

Lions/Serena double at 8.48

go go go

No Federer owns him completely, 18-2 lifetime record. Federer does everything Roddick hates, Roddick will do well to win a set imo.

 ;cheerleader;

wd Graham.

Wp Silo. I'm surprised there was no Lions thread on its own.

Anyone watching the final?  What a come back in the tie break by Feds!

wow, Roddick abs bottled it. 6-2 >>> 6-8.

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wtf was that in the tie break by Roddick, bottler.

Bh's lifes incred. gl

I cringed when he was bouncing the ball prior to his serve and even missed that. Don't think I've ever seen that before in a tennis match.

Painful to watch

gogogogo Andy Roddick

Come On Roger!!!!

Murray would have beat Fed today the way he is playing.

I can see the momentum carry Roddick over the finish line now

Roddick is a total Demon...where is the energy coming from!

maybe they should just chop it

This must be some sort of record surely!

Getting bored now, hurry up somebody.

Getting bored? How?

'Let's chop the money and do next point wins for the trophy'

one word to describe this ... EPIC !!

cos its 15-14!

hurry the F*** up!

Federer doesn't look the least bit tired - he's a machine.

THANK FEKK!

Oh and to use a phrase of a well known blonde poster.....Federer is a Bag of Wank!

wp Fed. Abs gutted for A-Rod though. Great match.

truly amazing stuff. vvvvvwp both

Feel bad for Roddick, what he'll really need now is for a bone head interviewer to ask him how he feels

un fuckin believable

awesome final.

ul Roddick, wp feds.

Thank fuck Roddick didn't win - was absolutely positive I'd stuck a pavarotti on him pre-tourn. Sure had.

Roddick looked devistated, must really be bad to lose like that.  He should post on the Sunday thread.

Well played Feds, a true champion.

He will get over it, imo.

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Is that his mrs?  I did think she looked rather nice.

That and £425,00 tonight aint too bad

He might be able to buy her a bikini that fits better. Tut Tut.

Not beside his career earnings of $15,860,816 it wont!

He'd have gladly paid £425,000 to win that today

Just seen Roddick press conference on SSN - the guy is absolutely devastated.

Was a great game and shame someone had to lose, but you always felt that Fed's experience would count in the final set.

Was it ever in doubt?

Just watched the ESPN highlights and looked awesome.

FML that I couldnt trade it.

Yup Brooklyn Dekker is her name.

 :'(

Sampras' wife was with him today, she is far better:

Hollywood Actress Bridgette Wilson

Federer was 1.45 consistently when the set went over 6-6 ,altho rose to 1.55 briefly around the 9-9 mark.

I think he was like 1.25 going into the game he broke tho as Roddick was clearly getting very tired.

At the second tie break, fed went up to 2.7!  So wish I'd taken some.  He insta went from 2.7 to 1.4 when he came back though