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Title: Steve Gerrard
Post by: henrik777 on July 24, 2009, 12:14:29 PM
Steven Gerrard has been handed 100 hours community service, giving dissadvantaged people football lessons.

He's got to report to Goodison Park at 9am Monday morning.

Sandy


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: kinboshi on July 24, 2009, 12:16:54 PM
rotflmfao


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: TheChipPrince on July 24, 2009, 12:23:52 PM
What punishment is he likely to get, seen as he looks guilty as hell?

Grabbing a guy who's taken an elbow in the face and landing 3 uppercuts in in a flash hardly looks like self-defence to me.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: kinboshi on July 24, 2009, 12:25:50 PM
What punishment is he likely to get, seen as he looks guilty as hell?

Grabbing a guy who's taken an elbow in the face and landing 3 uppercuts in in a flash hardly looks like self-defence to me.

Did he land three uppercuts?  I can't see that from the video.  Is that what he's admitted to doing?


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: TheChipPrince on July 24, 2009, 12:34:55 PM
What punishment is he likely to get, seen as he looks guilty as hell?

Grabbing a guy who's taken an elbow in the face and landing 3 uppercuts in in a flash hardly looks like self-defence to me.

Did he land three uppercuts?  I can't see that from the video.  Is that what he's admitted to doing?

Mr Gerrard described raising his left arm and swinging it towards Mr McGee, making contact with him with his wrist.

He said: "I grabbed the back of his jumper as he moved forward to me.

"When I had hold of Marcus, I remember swinging my right hand two or three times."



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8164559.stm


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: TheChipPrince on July 24, 2009, 12:38:09 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8163757.stm

42 seconds in on that, you can clearly see him launch 2 big punches, not the connection though, but definite intent


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: kinboshi on July 24, 2009, 12:39:51 PM
Swinging your arm two or three times doesn't mean you hit someone two or three times. Ask Audrey Harrison.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: kinboshi on July 24, 2009, 12:40:33 PM
But he does deserve community service for wearing that jumper and for asking the D J to play Phil Collins!


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: TheChipPrince on July 24, 2009, 12:41:11 PM
& for consuming a 'jammy dodger' shot!


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: celtic on July 24, 2009, 12:50:55 PM
Found not guilty. LOL.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: TheChipPrince on July 24, 2009, 12:55:41 PM
 ;sark;


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: WarBwastard on July 24, 2009, 01:01:50 PM
Andy Grey will have a moan about inconsistencies using video evidence now.  Joey Barton's probably a bit miffed at the mo.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: Div on July 24, 2009, 01:03:37 PM
As The Beatles said, money can't buy you love - but it does get you a bloody good QC.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: david3103 on July 24, 2009, 01:07:01 PM
Should have moved the trial to Manchester Crown Court


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: bolt pp on July 24, 2009, 01:10:36 PM
Should have moved the trial to Manchester Crown Court

lol


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: kinboshi on July 24, 2009, 01:13:21 PM
Andy Grey will have a moan about inconsistencies using video evidence now.  Joey Barton's probably a bit miffed at the mo.

Except that Barton's video showed him repeatedly smacking someone in the face.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: WarBwastard on July 24, 2009, 01:18:31 PM
Andy Grey will have a moan about inconsistencies using video evidence now.  Joey Barton's probably a bit miffed at the mo.

Except that Barton's video showed him repeatedly smacking someone in the face.

Let's not pretend the verdict would have been the same if young Joey was the defendant here.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: Matt50 on July 24, 2009, 01:27:27 PM
I bet the other 6 are glad they all admitted to affray!

Wonder how many Liverpool fans were on the jury?


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: kinboshi on July 24, 2009, 01:38:50 PM
Andy Grey will have a moan about inconsistencies using video evidence now.  Joey Barton's probably a bit miffed at the mo.

Except that Barton's video showed him repeatedly smacking someone in the face.

Let's not pretend the verdict would have been the same if young Joey was the defendant here.

Let's not pretend that the incident would have been the same if young Joey was the defendant here.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: Colchester Kev on July 24, 2009, 01:47:16 PM
LOL yet another example of an overpaid wanker setting a marvellous example to his many fans .... sigh, a chance to make a firm statement that that sort of behaviour is unacceptable goes begging.

Lets not be so fkin naive to think that if the accused was an "average joe" he wouldnt be at the very least having to pay a hefty fine and have a criminal record.

Justice my arse.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: david3103 on July 24, 2009, 01:49:57 PM
Andy Grey will have a moan about inconsistencies using video evidence now.  Joey Barton's probably a bit miffed at the mo.

Except that Barton's video showed him repeatedly smacking someone in the face.

Let's not pretend the verdict would have been the same if young Joey was the defendant here.

Let's not pretend that the incident would have been the same if young Joey was the defendant here.


quality response


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: AndrewT on July 24, 2009, 01:50:26 PM
If I ever get caught on CCTV punching a guy who isn't fighting back I want Steve G's lawyer to argue my 'self-defence' case.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: sledge13 on July 24, 2009, 01:55:03 PM
No member of Joe public would have got away with this....disgrace!


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: outragous76 on July 24, 2009, 01:56:03 PM
[  ] justice
[ x ] now has 5 friends who are slightly better off after this incident


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: david3103 on July 24, 2009, 01:57:31 PM
But Seriously, the jury obviously took it all at Face Value, looked at Both Sides, and having heard Stevie Testify they made a decision Against All Odds and although I've read the news I Cannot Believe It's True.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: Teacake on July 24, 2009, 02:00:50 PM
lol,Stevie G comes out of that footage looking like a right pussy. Waits til the fellas been elbowed by his mate then thinks he's Ricky Hatton.

Coward.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: ripple11 on July 24, 2009, 02:07:40 PM

Could continue with possible civil action for damages, I would suggest,.... with Gerrard settling out of court.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: sovietsong on July 24, 2009, 02:09:12 PM
LOL yet another example of an overpaid wanker setting a marvellous example to his many fans .... sigh, a chance to make a firm statement that that sort of behaviour is unacceptable goes begging.

Lets not be so fkin naive to think that if the accused was an "average joe" he wouldnt be at the very least having to pay a hefty fine and have a criminal record.

Justice my arse.

how many fights have you seen with 'average joes' where nothing at all comes of it?  I think the average joe's get away with more than the footballers.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: bolt pp on July 24, 2009, 02:29:44 PM
LOL yet another example of an overpaid wanker setting a marvellous example to his many fans .... sigh, a chance to make a firm statement that that sort of behaviour is unacceptable goes begging.

Lets not be so fkin naive to think that if the accused was an "average joe" he wouldnt be at the very least having to pay a hefty fine and have a criminal record.

Justice my arse.

how many fights have you seen with 'average joes' where nothing at all comes of it?  I think the average joe's get away with more than the footballers.

what happend that night happends 10,000 times every weekend, do you put every postman, electrician, deliveryman, office worker that goes out and has a little scrap through the legal system? the judiciary would collapse.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: G1BTW on July 24, 2009, 02:30:05 PM
If I ever get caught on CCTV punching a guy who isn't fighting back I want Steve G's lawyer to argue my 'self-defence' case.

If I ever get caught on CCTV punching a guy who isn't fighting back I want to be able to demonstrate in court that I held the reasonable belief that he was about to take a swing at me and punched him before he punched me.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8167000.stm

Judge Henry Globe told him: "The verdict is a credible verdict on the full facts of this case, and you walk away from this court with your reputation intact.

"You did not start the violence, it was started by the violent elbowing of Marcus McGee in the face by one of your friends John Doran," he added.
  
"At all times you insisted that you only ever acted in what you believed was reasonable self-defence to what you understandably, albeit you accept mistakenly, believed was an attempted attack upon you by Marcus McGee.

"What at first sight to the casual observer may seem to have been a clear-cut case against you of unlawful violence, has been nowhere near as clear-cut upon careful analysis of the evidence."


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It doesn't look at all like that is the case in the video footage however, and I am left wondering how what appears to be an unjustified attack could ever have been pre-emptive self-defence.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: bolt pp on July 24, 2009, 02:32:05 PM
If I ever get caught on CCTV punching a guy who isn't fighting back I want Steve G's lawyer to argue my 'self-defence' case.

If I ever get caught on CCTV punching a guy who isn't fighting back I want to be able to demonstrate in court that I held the reasonable belief that he was about to take a swing at me and punched him before he punched me.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8167000.stm

Judge Henry Globe told him: "The verdict is a credible verdict on the full facts of this case, and you walk away from this court with your reputation intact.

"You did not start the violence, it was started by the violent elbowing of Marcus McGee in the face by one of your friends John Doran," he added.
  
"At all times you insisted that you only ever acted in what you believed was reasonable self-defence to what you understandably, albeit you accept mistakenly, believed was an attempted attack upon you by Marcus McGee.

"What at first sight to the casual observer may seem to have been a clear-cut case against you of unlawful violence, has been nowhere near as clear-cut upon careful analysis of the evidence. GO ON THE REDS"!!!!!!!!!


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It doesn't look at all like that is the case in the video footage however, and I am left wondering how what appears to be an unjustified attack could ever have been pre-emptive self-defence.

FYP


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: G1BTW on July 24, 2009, 02:34:08 PM
LOL


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: kinboshi on July 24, 2009, 03:22:01 PM
If I ever get caught on CCTV punching a guy who isn't fighting back I want Steve G's lawyer to argue my 'self-defence' case.

If I ever get caught on CCTV punching a guy who isn't fighting back I want to be able to demonstrate in court that I held the reasonable belief that he was about to take a swing at me and punched him before he punched me.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8167000.stm

Judge Henry Globe told him: "The verdict is a credible verdict on the full facts of this case, and you walk away from this court with your reputation intact.

"You did not start the violence, it was started by the violent elbowing of Marcus McGee in the face by one of your friends John Doran," he added.
 
"At all times you insisted that you only ever acted in what you believed was reasonable self-defence to what you understandably, albeit you accept mistakenly, believed was an attempted attack upon you by Marcus McGee.

"What at first sight to the casual observer may seem to have been a clear-cut case against you of unlawful violence, has been nowhere near as clear-cut upon careful analysis of the evidence."


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It doesn't look at all like that is the case in the video footage however, and I am left wondering how what appears to be an unjustified attack could ever have been pre-emptive self-defence.

Quite a few years back, Alfie Lewis a 'freestyle karate' instructor and fighter was involved in an incident where he struck someone first.  Unfortunately, the bloke he struck was knocked out and his head hit the floor and he died from his injuries.

Alfie Lewis was found not-guilty of all charges on the grounds of self-defence. 

I'll see if I can dig up the details, but I think it was something to do with a bloke kicking his car, him getting out and then three other blokes appearing, obviously with the intention to do him some harm, and so he smacked one of them in self-defence.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: boldie on July 24, 2009, 03:25:48 PM
lol..soo clearly guilty. Also nice to know that he hasn't forgotten his roots..still hangs out with his dodgy mates.

"My mates beat him up, judge." "I just landed a few punches beause I thought he'd swing at me"

what a load of bollocks.

and rotflmfao @ the Alfie Lewis example..big difference between someone coming at you with his 3 dodgy mates who have already kicked your car and Stevie's case where his mates beat the guy and then he goes towards the guy.

If the guy had beaten Stevie G to death he would have had a case for self defence..not the other way around.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: kinboshi on July 24, 2009, 03:28:09 PM
lol..soo clearly guilty. Also nice to know that he hasn't forgotten his roots..still hangs out with his dodgy mates.

"My mates beat him up, judge." "I just landed a few punches beause I thought he'd swing at me"

what a load of bollocks.

and rotflmfao @ the Alfie Lewis example..big difference between someone coming at you with his 3 dodgy mates who have already kicked your car and Stevie's case where his mates beat the guy and then he goes towards the guy.

If the guy had beaten Stevie G to death he would have had a case for self defence..not the other way around.

Wasn't comparing it.  Was just talking about a case where someone hit first in self-defence.  That was the only relevance. Years later Alfie Lewis walked away from court after the case had been thrown out.  Think he was in for drug dealing then, but I'm sure the witnesses weren't got at or anything like that...


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: bolt pp on July 24, 2009, 03:30:33 PM
someone doesnt have to hit you first for it to be self defense, it's good enough if you think theyre gonna hit you through what theyve said or how theyre acting.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: kinboshi on July 24, 2009, 03:31:09 PM
someone doesnt have to hit you first for it to be self defense, it's good enough if you think theyre gonna hit you through what theyve said or how theyre acting.

Wanna fight?


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: TightEnd on July 24, 2009, 03:33:02 PM
just playing devils advocate, as obviously I'm not aware of all that the jury heard...but trying him in Liverpool must be the least likely place for the CPS to get a conviction in the country surely?


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: G1BTW on July 24, 2009, 03:45:00 PM
OH FFS

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8167205.stm









Money. That is all.


Gerard lands 3 punches in a brawl on Winehouse as mate takes photo. That would be an interesting double case.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: bolt pp on July 24, 2009, 04:11:24 PM
someone doesnt have to hit you first for it to be self defense, it's good enough if you think theyre gonna hit you through what theyve said or how theyre acting.

Wanna fight?

i wouldnt know what to do.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: kinboshi on July 24, 2009, 04:15:06 PM
just playing devils advocate, as obviously I'm not aware of all that the jury heard...but trying him in Liverpool must be the least likely place for the CPS to get a conviction in the country surely?

Even if half the jury are bluenoses?


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: kinboshi on July 24, 2009, 04:15:36 PM
Anyway, he's our OJ.

:D


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: AndrewT on July 24, 2009, 04:19:20 PM
I think Stevie G just got a bit lucky with the jury selection.

(http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/premier-league-fans/scousers.jpg)


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: Rod Paradise on July 24, 2009, 08:15:57 PM
Just hope the next guy he squares up to ove 'mither' defends himself first.

Bawbag coward as a player - dangerous tackles when the victim's not ready for it, it seems he's the same as a person. Talent is no excuse for being a prick.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: Linux on July 24, 2009, 11:17:46 PM
wait till he scores the crucial goal in next years world cup. All of you will be hailing him as a god and this will all be forgot about


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: ACE2M on July 25, 2009, 12:09:36 AM
i think he is a fantastic footballer but he was guilty wasn't he?


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: AndrewT on July 25, 2009, 12:15:01 AM
i think he is a fantastic footballer but he was guilty wasn't he?

Not according to the jury. His mates all admitted it but Gerrard walked, alone.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: Rooky9 on July 25, 2009, 01:28:24 AM
I'm not annoyed with Steven Gerrard, I'm just disappointed. On 27th Dec I saw one of the best individual displays on a footy pitch. An away team player received a standing ovation from a home crowd who were 5-1 down. In celebration he went and and beltted some lad after his mate had already elbowed him in the face. Pretty low, and adding support to the crazy theory that John Terry should be England captain. Without previous incidents on record perhaps right to be given the BoD, but anything further and I'll be campaigning for full Joey Barton treatment, if not more. Stevie G doesnt have the fall back of actually having a screw loose.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: The Baron on July 25, 2009, 11:35:35 AM
If I ever get caught on CCTV punching a guy who isn't fighting back I want Steve G's lawyer to argue my 'self-defence' case.

If I ever get caught on CCTV punching a guy who isn't fighting back I want to be able to demonstrate in court that I held the reasonable belief that he was about to take a swing at me and punched him before he punched me.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8167000.stm

Judge Henry Globe told him: "The verdict is a credible verdict on the full facts of this case, and you walk away from this court with your reputation intact.

"You did not start the violence, it was started by the violent elbowing of Marcus McGee in the face by one of your friends John Doran," he added.
  
"At all times you insisted that you only ever acted in what you believed was reasonable self-defence to what you understandably, albeit you accept mistakenly, believed was an attempted attack upon you by Marcus McGee.

"What at first sight to the casual observer may seem to have been a clear-cut case against you of unlawful violence, has been nowhere near as clear-cut upon careful analysis of the evidence."


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It doesn't look at all like that is the case in the video footage however, and I am left wondering how what appears to be an unjustified attack could ever have been pre-emptive self-defence.

Becuase Gerrard "didn't see" the elbow. (It was unclear that he did on the video I believe) The first thing he saw was the victim coming at him so he started punching according to him.

Not that I believe a word of it mind.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: The Baron on July 25, 2009, 11:39:08 AM
I'm not annoyed with Steven Gerrard, I'm just disappointed. On 27th Dec I saw one of the best individual displays on a footy pitch. An away team player received a standing ovation from a home crowd who were 5-1 down. In celebration he went and and beltted some lad after his mate had already elbowed him in the face. Pretty low, and adding support to the crazy theory that John Terry should be England captain. Without previous incidents on record perhaps right to be given the BoD, but anything further and I'll be campaigning for full Joey Barton treatment, if not more. Stevie G doesnt have the fall back of actually having a screw loose.

John Terry has done far, far worse, he's battered a bouncer, threated staff at nightclubs with their life, been known to have paid average Joe's money to beat up and steal the cameras of papparazzi, he's just not been daft enough to be caught on CCTV. (Only home made video doing some bird up the a$$! lol)


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: Dewi_cool on July 25, 2009, 11:39:29 AM
wait till he scores the crucial goal in next years world cup. All of you will be hailing him as a god and this will all be forgot about

ermm NO


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: The Baron on July 25, 2009, 11:39:57 AM
I'm not annoyed with Steven Gerrard, I'm just disappointed. On 27th Dec I saw one of the best individual displays on a footy pitch. An away team player received a standing ovation from a home crowd who were 5-1 down. In celebration he went and and beltted some lad after his mate had already elbowed him in the face. Pretty low, and adding support to the crazy theory that John Terry should be England captain. Without previous incidents on record perhaps right to be given the BoD, but anything further and I'll be campaigning for full Joey Barton treatment, if not more. Stevie G doesnt have the fall back of actually having a screw loose.

John Terry has done far, far worse, he's battered a bouncer, threated staff at nightclubs with their life, been known to have paid average Joe's money to beat up and steal the cameras of papparazzi, he's just not been daft enough to be caught on CCTV. (Only home made video doing some bird up the a$$! lol)

Oh I forgot calling Ledley King, I think it was, a monkey.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: The Baron on July 25, 2009, 11:48:54 AM
Just hope the next guy he squares up to ove 'mither' defends himself first.

Bawbag coward as a player - dangerous tackles when the victim's not ready for it, it seems he's the same as a person. Talent is no excuse for being a prick.

Coward is the last word I'd use for Gerrard on the pitch. He's cut the dangerous tackles out of his game in recent years (unlike other greats like Souness or Keane who played the same way throughout their careers) although he did see red a little too often in his youth.

And I think he got away with it because generally he isn't a prick, this incident aside he's a nice guy, a good example to kids on and off the pitch (again, this incident aside) and generally known to be a family man who gets on with everyone and commands the respects of present and former peers. His character as a person is more than reputable.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: nirvana on July 25, 2009, 12:11:01 PM
If I ever get caught on CCTV punching a guy who isn't fighting back I want Steve G's lawyer to argue my 'self-defence' case.

If I ever get caught on CCTV punching a guy who isn't fighting back I want to be able to demonstrate in court that I held the reasonable belief that he was about to take a swing at me and punched him before he punched me.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8167000.stm

Judge Henry Globe told him: "The verdict is a credible verdict on the full facts of this case, and you walk away from this court with your reputation intact.

"You did not start the violence, it was started by the violent elbowing of Marcus McGee in the face by one of your friends John Doran," he added.
 
"At all times you insisted that you only ever acted in what you believed was reasonable self-defence to what you understandably, albeit you accept mistakenly, believed was an attempted attack upon you by Marcus McGee.

"What at first sight to the casual observer may seem to have been a clear-cut case against you of unlawful violence, has been nowhere near as clear-cut upon careful analysis of the evidence."


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It doesn't look at all like that is the case in the video footage however, and I am left wondering how what appears to be an unjustified attack could ever have been pre-emptive self-defence.

Quite a few years back, Alfie Lewis a 'freestyle karate' instructor and fighter was involved in an incident where he struck someone first.  Unfortunately, the bloke he struck was knocked out and his head hit the floor and he died from his injuries.

Alfie Lewis was found not-guilty of all charges on the grounds of self-defence. 

I'll see if I can dig up the details, but I think it was something to do with a bloke kicking his car, him getting out and then three other blokes appearing, obviously with the intention to do him some harm, and so he smacked one of them in self-defence.

Slight difference here in that the clear & definite coward Gerrard was with a bunch of mates and wades in after the bloke takes an elbow.

Kin, you really are, on this occasion, making a fool of yourself here


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: sweet potata! on July 25, 2009, 01:17:13 PM
Just hope the next guy he squares up to ove 'mither' defends himself first.

Bawbag coward as a player - dangerous tackles when the victim's not ready for it, it seems he's the same as a person. Talent is no excuse for being a prick.

Coward is the last word I'd use for Gerrard on the pitch. He's cut the dangerous tackles out of his game in recent years (unlike other greats like Souness or Keane who played the same way throughout their careers) although he did see red a little too often in his youth.

And I think he got away with it because generally he isn't a prick, this incident aside he's a nice guy, a good example to kids on and off the pitch (again, this incident aside) and generally known to be a family man who gets on with everyone and commands the respects of present and former peers. His character as a person is more than reputable.

Agree with you 100% Baron. Rod, bawbag coward LMAO... Do you have a clue?


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: sweet potata! on July 25, 2009, 01:18:00 PM
wait till he scores the crucial goal in next years world cup. All of you will be hailing him as a god and this will all be forgot about

ermm NO

Forget about what? He was cleared , no?


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: Josedinho on July 25, 2009, 01:41:20 PM
Not going to comment on the incident other than saying i think Gerrard's had a decent result.
I know we'd all defend our clubs players when we can but it is a bit lol how all the liverpool fans are best mates with Stevie G.
"Top lad" "Nice guy" "Family man" "Heart of gold" "Not got a bad bone in his body" "Never done this when i've been out with him"
Obviously exaggerated but surely a grin and "he was very daft and got lucky" would be sufficient. Beating up one lad who hasn't thrown a punch with your 7 mates whether you thought you were going to get smacked or not is hardly brave.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: The Baron on July 25, 2009, 02:34:42 PM
Not going to comment on the incident other than saying i think Gerrard's had a decent result.
I know we'd all defend our clubs players when we can but it is a bit lol how all the liverpool fans are best mates with Stevie G.
"Top lad" "Nice guy" "Family man" "Heart of gold" "Not got a bad bone in his body" "Never done this when i've been out with him"
Obviously exaggerated but surely a grin and "he was very daft and got lucky" would be sufficient. Beating up one lad who hasn't thrown a punch with your 7 mates whether you thought you were going to get smacked or not is hardly brave.

Agree 100%. Was just syaing that the opinion that he is a nice guy is what got him off IMHO.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: Rod Paradise on July 25, 2009, 04:19:41 PM
Just hope the next guy he squares up to ove 'mither' defends himself first.

Bawbag coward as a player - dangerous tackles when the victim's not ready for it, it seems he's the same as a person. Talent is no excuse for being a prick.

Coward is the last word I'd use for Gerrard on the pitch. He's cut the dangerous tackles out of his game in recent years (unlike other greats like Souness or Keane who played the same way throughout their careers) although he did see red a little too often in his youth.

And I think he got away with it because generally he isn't a prick, this incident aside he's a nice guy, a good example to kids on and off the pitch (again, this incident aside) and generally known to be a family man who gets on with everyone and commands the respects of present and former peers. His character as a person is more than reputable.

Agree with you 100% Baron. Rod, bawbag coward LMAO... Do you have a clue?

Aye, just because he's 'cut out the over the top tackles' does not excuse his attempts to put other proffessionals out of the game. Never showed remorse for them either AFAICR.

Getting all your mates to plead guilty when you're the one who punched the bloke strikes me as a bawbag coward as well.

Like I say I hope the next guy defends himself first instead. Bet he gets done though.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: Rod Paradise on July 25, 2009, 04:20:25 PM
wait till he scores the crucial goal in next years world cup. All of you will be hailing him as a god and this will all be forgot about

ermm NO

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Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: The Baron on July 25, 2009, 04:54:12 PM
Just hope the next guy he squares up to ove 'mither' defends himself first.

Bawbag coward as a player - dangerous tackles when the victim's not ready for it, it seems he's the same as a person. Talent is no excuse for being a prick.

Coward is the last word I'd use for Gerrard on the pitch. He's cut the dangerous tackles out of his game in recent years (unlike other greats like Souness or Keane who played the same way throughout their careers) although he did see red a little too often in his youth.

And I think he got away with it because generally he isn't a prick, this incident aside he's a nice guy, a good example to kids on and off the pitch (again, this incident aside) and generally known to be a family man who gets on with everyone and commands the respects of present and former peers. His character as a person is more than reputable.

Agree with you 100% Baron. Rod, bawbag coward LMAO... Do you have a clue?

Aye, just because he's 'cut out the over the top tackles' does not excuse his attempts to put other proffessionals out of the game. Never showed remorse for them either AFAICR.

Getting all your mates to plead guilty when you're the one who punched the bloke strikes me as a bawbag coward as well.

Like I say I hope the next guy defends himself first instead. Bet he gets done though.

He's not done a Roy Keane and said he's ever meant to injure someone - as I say he's seen red on the field a few times but which great midfielder in the EPL hasn't when it's not going their way? He's texted Kevin Nolan, Patrick Vieira and Alan Shearer after on the field incidents - I wouldn't like to say for sure he hasn't shown remorse for other tackles, do any of us know what goes on behind closed doors or who texts or rings who? And how does anyone know what he "got his mates to do" in this case? In short, it's all speculation really.

He's been a right plank and was lucky to get away with what he did but some of the above sounds like pure guesswork for me.

I'd rather go with the what is known about him when it comes to his character.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: nirvana on July 26, 2009, 01:57:39 AM
Just hope the next guy he squares up to ove 'mither' defends himself first.

Bawbag coward as a player - dangerous tackles when the victim's not ready for it, it seems he's the same as a person. Talent is no excuse for being a prick.

Coward is the last word I'd use for Gerrard on the pitch. He's cut the dangerous tackles out of his game in recent years (unlike other greats like Souness or Keane who played the same way throughout their careers) although he did see red a little too often in his youth.

And I think he got away with it because generally he isn't a prick, this incident aside he's a nice guy, a good example to kids on and off the pitch (again, this incident aside) and generally known to be a family man who gets on with everyone and commands the respects of present and former peers. His character as a person is more than reputable.

Agree with you 100% Baron. Rod, bawbag coward LMAO... Do you have a clue?

Aye, just because he's 'cut out the over the top tackles' does not excuse his attempts to put other proffessionals out of the game. Never showed remorse for them either AFAICR.

Getting all your mates to plead guilty when you're the one who punched the bloke strikes me as a bawbag coward as well.

Like I say I hope the next guy defends himself first instead. Bet he gets done though.

He's not done a Roy Keane and said he's ever meant to injure someone - as I say he's seen red on the field a few times but which great midfielder in the EPL hasn't when it's not going their way? He's texted Kevin Nolan, Patrick Vieira and Alan Shearer after on the field incidents - I wouldn't like to say for sure he hasn't shown remorse for other tackles, do any of us know what goes on behind closed doors or who texts or rings who? And how does anyone know what he "got his mates to do" in this case? In short, it's all speculation really.

He's been a right plank and was lucky to get away with what he did but some of the above sounds like pure guesswork for me.

I'd rather go with the what is known about him when it comes to his character.

OK, what is known, is that his mate elbowed a bloke and rather than choose to step back a couple of feet and let his mates stand in the way of him and the guy who he had to 'self defend' himself from he takes a few cheap shots. What does that say about his character ?


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: The Baron on July 26, 2009, 11:50:38 AM
Just hope the next guy he squares up to ove 'mither' defends himself first.

Bawbag coward as a player - dangerous tackles when the victim's not ready for it, it seems he's the same as a person. Talent is no excuse for being a prick.

Coward is the last word I'd use for Gerrard on the pitch. He's cut the dangerous tackles out of his game in recent years (unlike other greats like Souness or Keane who played the same way throughout their careers) although he did see red a little too often in his youth.

And I think he got away with it because generally he isn't a prick, this incident aside he's a nice guy, a good example to kids on and off the pitch (again, this incident aside) and generally known to be a family man who gets on with everyone and commands the respects of present and former peers. His character as a person is more than reputable.

Agree with you 100% Baron. Rod, bawbag coward LMAO... Do you have a clue?

Aye, just because he's 'cut out the over the top tackles' does not excuse his attempts to put other proffessionals out of the game. Never showed remorse for them either AFAICR.

Getting all your mates to plead guilty when you're the one who punched the bloke strikes me as a bawbag coward as well.

Like I say I hope the next guy defends himself first instead. Bet he gets done though.

He's not done a Roy Keane and said he's ever meant to injure someone - as I say he's seen red on the field a few times but which great midfielder in the EPL hasn't when it's not going their way? He's texted Kevin Nolan, Patrick Vieira and Alan Shearer after on the field incidents - I wouldn't like to say for sure he hasn't shown remorse for other tackles, do any of us know what goes on behind closed doors or who texts or rings who? And how does anyone know what he "got his mates to do" in this case? In short, it's all speculation really.

He's been a right plank and was lucky to get away with what he did but some of the above sounds like pure guesswork for me.

I'd rather go with the what is known about him when it comes to his character.

OK, what is known, is that his mate elbowed a bloke and rather than choose to step back a couple of feet and let his mates stand in the way of him and the guy who he had to 'self defend' himself from he takes a few cheap shots. What does that say about his character ?

"Cheap shots" is an opinion of yours not a fact.

As previously mentioned in this thread he successfully convinced a jury that he did not see the elbow (the video is not conclusive on this point).

Personally I don't believe it, and I am inclined to agree with you that they were cheap shots, and even if I did believe him he still should have backed off as the guy came for him, his mates would have made sure he didn't have to get involved. But what you or I believe is irrelevant.

A jury has decided he's not guilty, largely based on his character. I agree with your speculation, but it IS speculation.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: nirvana on July 26, 2009, 01:19:30 PM
Just cause a jury didn't find him guilty of a speciific offence doesn't change the fact that the man is a coward.

Many cowardly cheap shots go unpunished/don't go to court - it doesn't change what they are

I don't think Gerrard is the worse man in the world, can't think of him as major threat to society, he dealt with a situation in the wrong way imo. I'm sure he didn't stop to think if he was acting like a coward so we can all forgive that I'm sure. Who hasn't done something on the spur to regret it later ?

The bit that really sticks in my craw is that he compounds his cowardliness in the first instance (very forgiveable) by an unwillingness to hold his hands up, it's a fair cop, express some regret and take a minor punishment like a man.

The fact that, imo, he has no integrity, is a more serious character flaw than being the undoubted hard man he is.




Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: The Baron on July 26, 2009, 01:47:29 PM
Just cause a jury didn't find him guilty of a speciific offence doesn't change the fact that the man is a coward.

Many cowardly cheap shots go unpunished/don't go to court - it doesn't change what they are


Again this is opinion.

I agree with the rest of your post though.


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: smileriraq on July 26, 2009, 03:12:45 PM
I think whats worse is the abuse the guy who got hit has endured by the liverpool fans

Im a nice guy and have proven record of good character but swap me for steven gerrard in that picture and im going to get the book thrown at me


Title: Re: Steve Gerrard
Post by: TheChipPrince on July 27, 2009, 10:07:48 AM
John Terry has done far, far worse, he's battered a bouncer, threated staff at nightclubs with their life, been known to have paid average Joe's money to beat up and steal the cameras of papparazzi, he's just not been daft enough to be caught on CCTV. (Only home made video doing some bird up the a$$! lol)

PM link please.