Steve Gerrard

[ACE2M]

i think he is a fantastic footballer but he was guilty wasn't he?

[AndrewT]

i think he is a fantastic footballer but he was guilty wasn't he?

Not according to the jury. His mates all admitted it but Gerrard walked, alone.

[Rooky9]

I'm not annoyed with Steven Gerrard, I'm just disappointed. On 27th Dec I saw one of the best individual displays on a footy pitch. An away team player received a standing ovation from a home crowd who were 5-1 down. In celebration he went and and beltted some lad after his mate had already elbowed him in the face. Pretty low, and adding support to the crazy theory that John Terry should be England captain. Without previous incidents on record perhaps right to be given the BoD, but anything further and I'll be campaigning for full Joey Barton treatment, if not more. Stevie G doesnt have the fall back of actually having a screw loose.

[The Baron]

If I ever get caught on CCTV punching a guy who isn't fighting back I want Steve G's lawyer to argue my 'self-defence' case.

If I ever get caught on CCTV punching a guy who isn't fighting back I want to be able to demonstrate in court that I held the reasonable belief that he was about to take a swing at me and punched him before he punched me.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8167000.stm

Judge Henry Globe told him: "The verdict is a credible verdict on the full facts of this case, and you walk away from this court with your reputation intact.

"You did not start the violence, it was started by the violent elbowing of Marcus McGee in the face by one of your friends John Doran," he added.
  
"At all times you insisted that you only ever acted in what you believed was reasonable self-defence to what you understandably, albeit you accept mistakenly, believed was an attempted attack upon you by Marcus McGee.

"What at first sight to the casual observer may seem to have been a clear-cut case against you of unlawful violence, has been nowhere near as clear-cut upon careful analysis of the evidence."


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It doesn't look at all like that is the case in the video footage however, and I am left wondering how what appears to be an unjustified attack could ever have been pre-emptive self-defence.

Becuase Gerrard "didn't see" the elbow. (It was unclear that he did on the video I believe) The first thing he saw was the victim coming at him so he started punching according to him.

Not that I believe a word of it mind.

[The Baron]

I'm not annoyed with Steven Gerrard, I'm just disappointed. On 27th Dec I saw one of the best individual displays on a footy pitch. An away team player received a standing ovation from a home crowd who were 5-1 down. In celebration he went and and beltted some lad after his mate had already elbowed him in the face. Pretty low, and adding support to the crazy theory that John Terry should be England captain. Without previous incidents on record perhaps right to be given the BoD, but anything further and I'll be campaigning for full Joey Barton treatment, if not more. Stevie G doesnt have the fall back of actually having a screw loose.

John Terry has done far, far worse, he's battered a bouncer, threated staff at nightclubs with their life, been known to have paid average Joe's money to beat up and steal the cameras of papparazzi, he's just not been daft enough to be caught on CCTV. (Only home made video doing some bird up the a$$! lol)

[Dewi_cool]

wait till he scores the crucial goal in next years world cup. All of you will be hailing him as a god and this will all be forgot about

ermm NO

[The Baron]

I'm not annoyed with Steven Gerrard, I'm just disappointed. On 27th Dec I saw one of the best individual displays on a footy pitch. An away team player received a standing ovation from a home crowd who were 5-1 down. In celebration he went and and beltted some lad after his mate had already elbowed him in the face. Pretty low, and adding support to the crazy theory that John Terry should be England captain. Without previous incidents on record perhaps right to be given the BoD, but anything further and I'll be campaigning for full Joey Barton treatment, if not more. Stevie G doesnt have the fall back of actually having a screw loose.

John Terry has done far, far worse, he's battered a bouncer, threated staff at nightclubs with their life, been known to have paid average Joe's money to beat up and steal the cameras of papparazzi, he's just not been daft enough to be caught on CCTV. (Only home made video doing some bird up the a$$! lol)

Oh I forgot calling Ledley King, I think it was, a monkey.

[The Baron]

Just hope the next guy he squares up to ove 'mither' defends himself first.

Bawbag coward as a player - dangerous tackles when the victim's not ready for it, it seems he's the same as a person. Talent is no excuse for being a prick.

Coward is the last word I'd use for Gerrard on the pitch. He's cut the dangerous tackles out of his game in recent years (unlike other greats like Souness or Keane who played the same way throughout their careers) although he did see red a little too often in his youth.

And I think he got away with it because generally he isn't a prick, this incident aside he's a nice guy, a good example to kids on and off the pitch (again, this incident aside) and generally known to be a family man who gets on with everyone and commands the respects of present and former peers. His character as a person is more than reputable.

[nirvana]

If I ever get caught on CCTV punching a guy who isn't fighting back I want Steve G's lawyer to argue my 'self-defence' case.

If I ever get caught on CCTV punching a guy who isn't fighting back I want to be able to demonstrate in court that I held the reasonable belief that he was about to take a swing at me and punched him before he punched me.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8167000.stm

Judge Henry Globe told him: "The verdict is a credible verdict on the full facts of this case, and you walk away from this court with your reputation intact.

"You did not start the violence, it was started by the violent elbowing of Marcus McGee in the face by one of your friends John Doran," he added.
 
"At all times you insisted that you only ever acted in what you believed was reasonable self-defence to what you understandably, albeit you accept mistakenly, believed was an attempted attack upon you by Marcus McGee.

"What at first sight to the casual observer may seem to have been a clear-cut case against you of unlawful violence, has been nowhere near as clear-cut upon careful analysis of the evidence."


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It doesn't look at all like that is the case in the video footage however, and I am left wondering how what appears to be an unjustified attack could ever have been pre-emptive self-defence.

Quite a few years back, Alfie Lewis a 'freestyle karate' instructor and fighter was involved in an incident where he struck someone first.  Unfortunately, the bloke he struck was knocked out and his head hit the floor and he died from his injuries.

Alfie Lewis was found not-guilty of all charges on the grounds of self-defence. 

I'll see if I can dig up the details, but I think it was something to do with a bloke kicking his car, him getting out and then three other blokes appearing, obviously with the intention to do him some harm, and so he smacked one of them in self-defence.

Slight difference here in that the clear & definite coward Gerrard was with a bunch of mates and wades in after the bloke takes an elbow.

Kin, you really are, on this occasion, making a fool of yourself here

[sweet potata!]

Just hope the next guy he squares up to ove 'mither' defends himself first.

Bawbag coward as a player - dangerous tackles when the victim's not ready for it, it seems he's the same as a person. Talent is no excuse for being a prick.

Coward is the last word I'd use for Gerrard on the pitch. He's cut the dangerous tackles out of his game in recent years (unlike other greats like Souness or Keane who played the same way throughout their careers) although he did see red a little too often in his youth.

And I think he got away with it because generally he isn't a prick, this incident aside he's a nice guy, a good example to kids on and off the pitch (again, this incident aside) and generally known to be a family man who gets on with everyone and commands the respects of present and former peers. His character as a person is more than reputable.

Agree with you 100% Baron. Rod, bawbag coward LMAO... Do you have a clue?

[sweet potata!]

wait till he scores the crucial goal in next years world cup. All of you will be hailing him as a god and this will all be forgot about

ermm NO

Forget about what? He was cleared , no?

[Josedinho]

Not going to comment on the incident other than saying i think Gerrard's had a decent result.
I know we'd all defend our clubs players when we can but it is a bit lol how all the liverpool fans are best mates with Stevie G.
"Top lad" "Nice guy" "Family man" "Heart of gold" "Not got a bad bone in his body" "Never done this when i've been out with him"
Obviously exaggerated but surely a grin and "he was very daft and got lucky" would be sufficient. Beating up one lad who hasn't thrown a punch with your 7 mates whether you thought you were going to get smacked or not is hardly brave.

[The Baron]

Not going to comment on the incident other than saying i think Gerrard's had a decent result.
I know we'd all defend our clubs players when we can but it is a bit lol how all the liverpool fans are best mates with Stevie G.
"Top lad" "Nice guy" "Family man" "Heart of gold" "Not got a bad bone in his body" "Never done this when i've been out with him"
Obviously exaggerated but surely a grin and "he was very daft and got lucky" would be sufficient. Beating up one lad who hasn't thrown a punch with your 7 mates whether you thought you were going to get smacked or not is hardly brave.

Agree 100%. Was just syaing that the opinion that he is a nice guy is what got him off IMHO.

[Rod Paradise]

Just hope the next guy he squares up to ove 'mither' defends himself first.

Bawbag coward as a player - dangerous tackles when the victim's not ready for it, it seems he's the same as a person. Talent is no excuse for being a prick.

Coward is the last word I'd use for Gerrard on the pitch. He's cut the dangerous tackles out of his game in recent years (unlike other greats like Souness or Keane who played the same way throughout their careers) although he did see red a little too often in his youth.

And I think he got away with it because generally he isn't a prick, this incident aside he's a nice guy, a good example to kids on and off the pitch (again, this incident aside) and generally known to be a family man who gets on with everyone and commands the respects of present and former peers. His character as a person is more than reputable.

Agree with you 100% Baron. Rod, bawbag coward LMAO... Do you have a clue?

Aye, just because he's 'cut out the over the top tackles' does not excuse his attempts to put other proffessionals out of the game. Never showed remorse for them either AFAICR.

Getting all your mates to plead guilty when you're the one who punched the bloke strikes me as a bawbag coward as well.

Like I say I hope the next guy defends himself first instead. Bet he gets done though.

[Rod Paradise]

wait till he scores the crucial goal in next years world cup. All of you will be hailing him as a god and this will all be forgot about

ermm NO

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