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Final table of the £150 f/o. Blinds are now 6000/12000-100

Folds around to Hero who has  Kh Qh on the button. Hero raises to 30k, with the aim of snapping off a shove from the big blind, who is playing ~60-70k. Hero is playing ~110k.

The SB however unexpectedly shoves for 105k. I've been sat with this guy for quite a while and he's played tight so far. Only big pots I've seen him play I've seen him show AQ and JJ, so I wasn't too happy to see him shove.

The BB folds and it's back on me. Call this shove, or let it go?

I snap here

I probs shove pre with 110k and blinds at 6000/12,000

As George says just shove first time round.

+another one

don't like the open, just shove

shoving saves you this decision

as it is I assume you are playing to win, call it and get a stack to do so.

yeah clear shove just gg when sb wakes up with a hand

as above

pls say u didnt fold here!

Getting 2:1 you can't pass here

Agree w/ consensus to just shove pre...

you simply cannot raise fold off a 10BB stack  - NOT EVEN LIVE AGINST THE TIGHTEST PLAYER! -  especially with KQ red!

Id have open shoved pre

don't fold

Ok, I'm gonna get so much abuse for this, but... I folded.

I tanked for a good 3 or 4 minutes here.

As I say, I wanted action from the BB. When the SB shoved I was genuinely taken aback. I really wasn't expecting it.

To me this hand came down to our respective images. My image should have been coming along as tight/aggressive player, who does occasionally makes moves, and has called off a couple of bets lightly. Eg, villian will have seen the Q7 hand - we were at the same table before the final for a good few hours. In all that time villian himself has played tight, but somewhat more passive than other players. He's rarely raised pre, I had yet to see him 3bet, and I've even seen him fold to raises in his BB whilst he flashes an ace. Simply put, I'm happy that he is not making a play at me here - he has a hand. Obviously, he could be making a play based off his image, and gg if that's what he's doing, but I'm going to assume he isn't doing.

So what's his range? In my mind, high pps, maybe 88+. I suspect he'd fold 77- here. AK/AQ and maybe AJs. I don't think raggy aces are in his range. Apart from that I doubt he's playing back at me. Maybe I'm wrong here, and his range is wider. It was just that having seen him play for so quite a long time, and seeing how comfortable he seemed to be after he shoved, I was just convinced he had a big hand here.

Pot odds then. I've invested nearly a quarter of my stack, and I'm getting 2:1 on a call. I've just stoved the range above and his range comes out as exactly 2:1 fave. So I'm getting pot odds, but it's only break even. If I call and win then I've got a nice stack. If I call and lose I'm pretty much out. We were still 8-handed at this point too, so I have to admit there was perhaps a little bit of laddering mentality. I hadn't expected to get this deep in the comp, and seeing how much the prizes increased (7/8/9 weren't really all that much) I didn't really want to get my money in behind here, even if I was just about getting the odds.

I also considered how much I'm left with if I fold. About 80k. It's a stack that just about has some fold equity. Folding here hurts me, but I'm in a position that I might just be able to recover from.

So yeah, in the end I folded. This is the biggest final table I've played thus far in my short poker career, so I daresay my mentality at the beginning of the final was a bit ladderish rather than play to win. As we knocked a few people out though I became very aggressive, running over the table for quite a while, so it all just about worked out for me. I'm rambling now so I'll shut up lol.

Critique away!

lol so on all three threads you've done the opposite to the consensus opinion!

Don't you just love poker?

haha, indeed.

But that's why I've posted them. After the hands I'm not sure if my play was correct so I decided to put them on here to get some feedback.

If I'm happy with the way I've played a pot but get bad beated or w/e I'm not gonna post on here looking for sympathy, that's not constructive at all.

i prefer 2.5x-ing here instead of the 3 - especially if you're ever contemplating folding. agree with shove pre though

i did 2.5x

really dont agree with shove pre, but thats because im never folding.

Erm......

All the more reason to fist pump snap with  Qh Kh. You aren't light here.

[ ] im good at maths

True. But given the villian as described, are we expecting him to be pushing light himself knowing that he might get called light? Isn't the opposite true? If he suspects he might get called light in this spot isn't his range likely to be tighter?

errrrr.........

I think you're levelling yourself. He knows that your gonna call light so he tigtens his range? If he's a thinking player he's going to know your call with Q7 was different to opening and snapping off a call with a poor hand here

That Q-7 hand was quite a big moment and would leave a lasting impression on villain. In that hand you called an all-in for half your stack with pretty much nothing. You gave a thorough explanation as to why you did that and that is to your merit. But, whatever, to most people that will look loose and spewy. You might think your image is tight and solid but you must have given the table a shed load of tight to counter that one seemingly big spewy moment. People remember that sort of stuff. If sb hasn't got anything going in some time he's gonna be fretting about his 10bb's and wanting to make a move. He is not going to be frightened to push here, he's got a solid image, he seemingly has FE, and if you do call then maybe his Q-10 or whatever is ahead. I think you give your image too much credit in this hand.

it all comes down to maths charles. im guessing there is some icm considerations here. he wil push bk with hands u dont wnt to race against if u raise u have to call. if u shove he might fold better hands and as a package the shove gains u more equity then raise calling as his 3bet shoving wil include a range a lot wider then u would expect but alot he wudnt call with that is slighty ahead of u . all he wil see is a button raise so he presumes he has fe.  u shudnt be raise folding here. u shud be shoving any 2 anyway with less then 10 bigs with ante if u have fe.
 terrible even looking at your hand here the fact that u have anything is fist pump moonwalk material.

Does villain not get dealt 66-JJ ever?

who cares what the villain has as its unknown and shudnt matter with the strength of our own hand and the relaitionship with our stack to blinds. we only interested in icm factors here ever and its unexploitable to shove kq here as the blinds cant find enough hands here to spite us even if they wanted to. we gain  dollar ev and c ev by goin arrrrr in.  we lose equity by doin anything gay such as raise folding or limping or anything other retarded play u can think off.

;whistle;

What I said was implying that it can never be a fold sorry it wasn't fuller but everything has already been pretty much said considering our chip stack/position/hand strength.