£150 f/o hand #3 - KQs facing a 3bet shove

[dousche]

i prefer 2.5x-ing here instead of the 3 - especially if you're ever contemplating folding. agree with shove pre though

[Cf]

i prefer 2.5x-ing here instead of the 3 - especially if you're ever contemplating folding. agree with shove pre though

i did 2.5x

[AlexMartin]

really dont agree with shove pre, but thats because im never folding.

[EvilPie]

My image should have been coming along as tight/aggressive player, who does occasionally makes moves, and has called off a couple of bets lightly. Eg, villian will have seen the Q7 hand -

Erm......

All the more reason to fist pump snap with  . You aren't light here.

[dousche]

i prefer 2.5x-ing here instead of the 3 - especially if you're ever contemplating folding. agree with shove pre though

i did 2.5x

[ ] im good at maths

[Cf]

My image should have been coming along as tight/aggressive player, who does occasionally makes moves, and has called off a couple of bets lightly. Eg, villian will have seen the Q7 hand -

Erm......

All the more reason to fist pump snap with  . You aren't light here.

True. But given the villian as described, are we expecting him to be pushing light himself knowing that he might get called light? Isn't the opposite true? If he suspects he might get called light in this spot isn't his range likely to be tighter?

[George2Loose]

My image should have been coming along as tight/aggressive player, who does occasionally makes moves, and has called off a couple of bets lightly. Eg, villian will have seen the Q7 hand -

Erm......

All the more reason to fist pump snap with  . You aren't light here.

True. But given the villian as described, are we expecting him to be pushing light himself knowing that he might get called light? Isn't the opposite true? If he suspects he might get called light in this spot isn't his range likely to be tighter?

errrrr.........

I think you're levelling yourself. He knows that your gonna call light so he tigtens his range? If he's a thinking player he's going to know your call with Q7 was different to opening and snapping off a call with a poor hand here

[MANTIS01]

That Q-7 hand was quite a big moment and would leave a lasting impression on villain. In that hand you called an all-in for half your stack with pretty much nothing. You gave a thorough explanation as to why you did that and that is to your merit. But, whatever, to most people that will look loose and spewy. You might think your image is tight and solid but you must have given the table a shed load of tight to counter that one seemingly big spewy moment. People remember that sort of stuff. If sb hasn't got anything going in some time he's gonna be fretting about his 10bb's and wanting to make a move. He is not going to be frightened to push here, he's got a solid image, he seemingly has FE, and if you do call then maybe his Q-10 or whatever is ahead. I think you give your image too much credit in this hand.

[salfi]

it all comes down to maths charles. im guessing there is some icm considerations here. he wil push bk with hands u dont wnt to race against if u raise u have to call. if u shove he might fold better hands and as a package the shove gains u more equity then raise calling as his 3bet shoving wil include a range a lot wider then u would expect but alot he wudnt call with that is slighty ahead of u . all he wil see is a button raise so he presumes he has fe.  u shudnt be raise folding here. u shud be shoving any 2 anyway with less then 10 bigs with ante if u have fe.
 terrible even looking at your hand here the fact that u have anything is fist pump moonwalk material.

[titaniumbean]

Does villain not get dealt 66-JJ ever?

[salfi]

Does villain not get dealt 66-JJ ever?

who cares what the villain has as its unknown and shudnt matter with the strength of our own hand and the relaitionship with our stack to blinds. we only interested in icm factors here ever and its unexploitable to shove kq here as the blinds cant find enough hands here to spite us even if they wanted to. we gain  dollar ev and c ev by goin arrrrr in.  we lose equity by doin anything gay such as raise folding or limping or anything other retarded play u can think off.

[titaniumbean]

Does villain not get dealt 66-JJ ever?

who cares what the villain has as its unknown and shudnt matter with the strength of our own hand and the relaitionship with our stack to blinds. we only interested in icm factors here ever and its unexploitable to shove kq here as the blinds cant find enough hands here to spite us even if they wanted to. we gain  dollar ev and c ev by goin arrrrr in.  we lose equity by doin anything gay such as raise folding or limping or anything other retarded play u can think off.

What I said was implying that it can never be a fold sorry it wasn't fuller but everything has already been pretty much said considering our chip stack/position/hand strength.