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Title: Final 4 Aggressive Villian, Shoved River Post by: Graham C on August 06, 2009, 01:18:34 PM Table '184931773 8' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 4: Dorlina (115956 in chips) Seat 5: Graham0573 (95541 in chips) Seat 8: MikeyLos (17188 in chips) Seat 9: lololol18 (41315 in chips) Dorlina: posts the ante 125 Graham0573: posts the ante 125 MikeyLos: posts the ante 125 lololol18: posts the ante 125 MikeyLos: posts small blind 600 lololol18: posts big blind 1200 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Graham0573 [Ks Qh] Dorlina: raises 1200 to 2400 Graham0573: calls 2400 MikeyLos: folds lololol18: folds *** FLOP *** [4d 6h Jh] Dorlina: checks Graham0573: checks *** TURN *** [4d 6h Jh] [9s] Dorlina: bets 3600 Graham0573: calls 3600 *** RIVER *** [4d 6h Jh 9s] [Kc] Dorlina: bets 109831 and is all-in Graham0573: Villian has won last 7 or 8 hands and since the final (first time I've come across them) has always had a large stack. Pretty loose, very agressive with small bets. Always betting, always min raising and has got it in with total crap several times. Towards the start of the FT, I was quite short and doubled up with TT v his 88, then in another pot he raised, I've hit a set and got more although it never went to showdown and also I've taken another couple of pots off him where's he's folded after investing a fair amount compared to the blinds. We've also doubled up against him not long ago with JJ v T5o (or some shit like that) all in preflop. I think it's fair to say he's not keen on me taking the pots he's entered. Was calling preflop correct or should would should I have 3 bet? I think KQ is too strong to fold against him, could be up against any two here but don't really want to call a shove so elected to call. I think checking behind on the flop was ok but was calling the turn bet a mistake? (was checking behind a mistake?) What do you do on the shove on the river? Title: Re: Final 4 Aggressive Villian, Shoved River Post by: boldie on August 06, 2009, 01:23:30 PM Pre I don't like, raise please.
Bet the flop if he doesn't like being in a pot with you (I assume he ussually continue bets?) and take it down there. Calling the turn is just...well, I don't like it..but what were you thinking there? River is a clear fold, no? Title: Re: Final 4 Aggressive Villian, Shoved River Post by: Graham C on August 06, 2009, 01:24:47 PM meh :(
Was going well until the FT, perhaps was just too tired. He was agressive but didn't cbet much. If you bet, he'd min raise though. Title: Re: Final 4 Aggressive Villian, Shoved River Post by: gatso on August 06, 2009, 01:27:08 PM fold, then start again and play every street differently
Title: Re: Final 4 Aggressive Villian, Shoved River Post by: MC on August 06, 2009, 03:17:22 PM I would
3bet pre Bet flop Fold turn (raising here might be a decent play as well) Fold river (I would snap any pot sized bet or less obviously) Title: Re: Final 4 Aggressive Villian, Shoved River Post by: GreekStein on August 06, 2009, 03:22:43 PM I would 3bet pre Bet flop Fold turn (raising here might be a decent play as well) Fold river (I would snap any pot sized bet or less obviously) Flatting pre is fine. Title: Re: Final 4 Aggressive Villian, Shoved River Post by: MC on August 06, 2009, 03:40:48 PM I would 3bet pre Bet flop Fold turn (raising here might be a decent play as well) Fold river (I would snap any pot sized bet or less obviously) Flatting pre is fine. It's okay, but we're four handed and we're on the button... Title: Re: Final 4 Aggressive Villian, Shoved River Post by: GreekStein on August 06, 2009, 05:13:25 PM I would 3bet pre Bet flop Fold turn (raising here might be a decent play as well) Fold river (I would snap any pot sized bet or less obviously) Flatting pre is fine. Shoulda looked properly at hh. Sure saw it was 4-handed. Title: Re: Final 4 Aggressive Villian, Shoved River Post by: dousche on August 06, 2009, 11:38:15 PM I would 3bet pre Bet flop Fold turn (raising here might be a decent play as well) Fold river (I would snap any pot sized bet or less obviously) Flatting pre is terrible. FYP Title: Re: Final 4 Aggressive Villian, Shoved River Post by: AlexMartin on August 06, 2009, 11:41:53 PM fold, then start again and play every street differently +1 Title: Re: Final 4 Aggressive Villian, Shoved River Post by: GreekStein on August 06, 2009, 11:57:24 PM I would 3bet pre Bet flop Fold turn (raising here might be a decent play as well) Fold river (I would snap any pot sized bet or less obviously) Flatting pre is terrible. FYP Look above your post Title: Re: Final 4 Aggressive Villian, Shoved River Post by: bolt pp on August 07, 2009, 04:44:32 AM fold, then start again and play every street differently +1 yep Title: Re: Final 4 Aggressive Villian, Shoved River Post by: Graham C on August 07, 2009, 10:21:50 AM okeys, ty.
Title: Re: Final 4 Aggressive Villian, Shoved River Post by: EvilPie on August 07, 2009, 12:38:41 PM I think there's a very good chance you're ahead here.
You've played it so passively on every street that your oppo can't give you credit for anything so he knows he can take down an easy pot. This doesn't mean you can call btw, just means that you've lost a pot you could've won if you'd played a bit more aggro thus preventing him shoving the lot in on the river. Next time you flop a big hand against this same oppo play it the same way. You might get paid. Title: Re: Final 4 Aggressive Villian, Shoved River Post by: Graham C on August 07, 2009, 01:25:21 PM I think there's a very good chance you're ahead here. You've played it so passively on every street that your oppo can't give you credit for anything so he knows he can take down an easy pot. This is exactly what my thinking was, he thought he could just take the pot away [ ] got to play more pots against him Title: Re: Final 4 Aggressive Villian, Shoved River Post by: Royal Flush on August 08, 2009, 01:40:29 PM I don't mind the flat pre.
I would be the flop, if i checked the flop i would prob call the turn and if i did i would fold the river. Title: Re: Final 4 Aggressive Villian, Shoved River Post by: pleno1 on August 09, 2009, 02:06:54 PM I don't mind the flat pre. I would be the flop, if i checked the flop i would prob call the turn and if i did i would fold the river. So you would just flat to hit the 10? Are we deep enough for this/getting right odds with one card to come? Villain raises pre then checks the flop, i think he has a hand like q10( which gets there ) set ( which is obv ahead ) or a fd (which obv misses), does he shove q10 (the nuts) no, does he shove a set for value (theoretical nuts) no, does he shove a missed fd? yeah. Title: Re: Final 4 Aggressive Villian, Shoved River Post by: pleno1 on August 09, 2009, 02:09:31 PM I don't mind the flat pre. I would be the flop, if i checked the flop i would prob call the turn and if i did i would fold the river. So you would just flat to hit the 10? Are we deep enough for this/getting right odds with one card to come? Villain raises pre then checks the flop, i think he has a hand like q10( which gets there ) set ( which is obv ahead ) or a fd (which obv misses), does he shove q10 (the nuts) no, does he shove a set for value (theoretical nuts) no, does he shove a missed fd? yeah. I think he probabaly checks the flop to induce, but player dependant this could be a semi bluff c/r or the nuts c/r. Title: Re: Final 4 Aggressive Villian, Shoved River Post by: titaniumbean on August 09, 2009, 02:42:25 PM I'm more than liking flatting here because we are so deep but considering your pre flop read i'd want to bump it up in position.
As played even with my lack of a fold button I still do a disgusted snap fold. I'd rather choose when 6x pot goes in I think. Title: Re: Final 4 Aggressive Villian, Shoved River Post by: titaniumbean on August 09, 2009, 02:48:32 PM I don't mind the flat pre. I would be the flop, if i checked the flop i would prob call the turn and if i did i would fold the river. So you would just flat to hit the 10? Are we deep enough for this/getting right odds with one card to come? Villain raises pre then checks the flop, i think he has a hand like q10( which gets there ) set ( which is obv ahead ) or a fd (which obv misses), does he shove q10 (the nuts) no, does he shove a set for value (theoretical nuts) no, does he shove a missed fd? yeah. No I would flat to hit a T/Q/K possibly show it down possibly bet to take it away if checked to. It's not like just because we hit our TP we have to now stack off when he's willing to suddenly get so much money in. Why dont you think he wouldn't shove the nuts or a set but he would a fd that he didn't bet on the flop?!? If he shoves a fd he shoves relative nuts, and I think he bets a fd on the flop OOP a large proportion of the time. If we have the best hand and he's making a big bluff then we'll get his chips in soon hopefully. If the read was that he was just clicking buttons and borederline retarded-aggressive then maybe it's a snap. Title: Re: Final 4 Aggressive Villian, Shoved River Post by: salfi on August 10, 2009, 01:11:59 AM due to the stack sizes here its a clear raise of the turn on a semi bluff. ob fold to any more aggression on the turn but this wont ever happen without him been superman strong. if stacks are similar then u can call turn fold river with the overbet he makes. looks a tardy spot to be bluffing arrr in without super strength.
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