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« on: August 06, 2009, 01:18:34 PM »

Table '184931773 8' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 4: Dorlina (115956 in chips)
Seat 5: Graham0573 (95541 in chips)
Seat 8: MikeyLos (17188 in chips)
Seat 9: lololol18 (41315 in chips)
Dorlina: posts the ante 125
Graham0573: posts the ante 125
MikeyLos: posts the ante 125
lololol18: posts the ante 125
MikeyLos: posts small blind 600
lololol18: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Graham0573 [ ]
Dorlina: raises 1200 to 2400
Graham0573: calls 2400
MikeyLos: folds
lololol18: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Dorlina: checks
Graham0573: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Dorlina: bets 3600
Graham0573: calls 3600
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Dorlina: bets 109831 and is all-in
Graham0573:

Villian has won last 7 or 8 hands and since the final (first time I've come across them) has always had a large stack.  Pretty loose, very agressive with small bets.  Always betting, always min raising and has got it in with total crap several times.  Towards the start of the FT, I was quite short and doubled up with TT v his 88, then in another pot he raised, I've hit a set and got more although it never went to showdown and also I've taken another couple of pots off him where's he's folded after investing a fair amount compared to the blinds.  We've also doubled up against him not long ago with JJ v T5o (or some shit like that) all in preflop.  I think it's fair to say he's not keen on me taking the pots he's entered.

Was calling preflop correct or should would should I have 3 bet?  I think KQ is too strong to fold against him, could be up against any two here but don't really want to call a shove so elected to call.

I think checking behind on the flop was ok but was calling the turn bet a mistake?  (was checking behind a mistake?)

What do you do on the shove on the river?
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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2009, 01:23:30 PM »

Pre I don't like, raise please.

Bet the flop if he doesn't like being in a pot with you (I assume he ussually continue bets?) and take it down there.

Calling the turn is just...well, I don't like it..but what were you thinking there?

River is a clear fold, no?
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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2009, 01:24:47 PM »

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Was going well until the FT, perhaps was just too tired.

He was agressive but didn't cbet much.  If you bet, he'd min raise though.
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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2009, 01:27:08 PM »

fold, then start again and play every street differently
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2009, 03:17:22 PM »

I would

3bet pre
Bet flop
Fold turn (raising here might be a decent play as well)
Fold river (I would snap any pot sized bet or less obviously)
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2009, 03:22:43 PM »

I would

3bet pre
Bet flop
Fold turn (raising here might be a decent play as well)
Fold river (I would snap any pot sized bet or less obviously)

Flatting pre is fine.
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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2009, 03:40:48 PM »

I would

3bet pre
Bet flop
Fold turn (raising here might be a decent play as well)
Fold river (I would snap any pot sized bet or less obviously)

Flatting pre is fine.

It's okay, but we're four handed and we're on the button...
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2009, 05:13:25 PM »

I would

3bet pre
Bet flop
Fold turn (raising here might be a decent play as well)
Fold river (I would snap any pot sized bet or less obviously)

Flatting pre is fine.

Shoulda looked properly at hh. Sure saw it was 4-handed.
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2009, 11:38:15 PM »

I would

3bet pre
Bet flop
Fold turn (raising here might be a decent play as well)
Fold river (I would snap any pot sized bet or less obviously)

Flatting pre is terrible.

FYP
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2009, 11:41:53 PM »

fold, then start again and play every street differently

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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2009, 11:57:24 PM »

I would

3bet pre
Bet flop
Fold turn (raising here might be a decent play as well)
Fold river (I would snap any pot sized bet or less obviously)

Flatting pre is terrible.

FYP

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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2009, 04:44:32 AM »

fold, then start again and play every street differently

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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2009, 10:21:50 AM »

okeys, ty.
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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2009, 12:38:41 PM »

I think there's a very good chance you're ahead here.

You've played it so passively on every street that your oppo can't give you credit for anything so he knows he can take down an easy pot.

This doesn't mean you can call btw, just means that you've lost a pot you could've won if you'd played a bit more aggro thus preventing him shoving the lot in on the river.

Next time you flop a big hand against this same oppo play it the same way. You might get paid.
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« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2009, 01:25:21 PM »

I think there's a very good chance you're ahead here.
You've played it so passively on every street that your oppo can't give you credit for anything so he knows he can take down an easy pot.

This is exactly what my thinking was, he thought he could just take the pot away

[ ] got to play more pots against him
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