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Title: Folding cards and discussing them during an all in... Post by: keilan303 on August 11, 2009, 10:21:46 PM So Im losing in a tournament and find the last spot where I can excercise any fold equity against someone who raises almost ATC....I push OTB and I then get from the SB "I fold, but can I keep my cards", the BB says the same "I want to keep this hand here" and a guy who limped UTG makes some other comment..the raiser then calls (I think he was doing this anyway, it was a pretty bad/superuser call). Just wondering whether I should have asked for a ruling there and then...I didn't want to say anything because I was holding absolute junk, but the guy who raised could easily figure he may be drawing more live than me if he puts me on AJ and everyone who has said "I fold but I want to keep this here" are the type who value hands like AJ....ive seen this type of nonsense in pub games before but never in a casino...
Title: Re: Folding cards and discussing them during an all in... Post by: Girgy85 on August 11, 2009, 10:26:09 PM This is just shocking ettiquete and players shud be shot for doing this! This is obv a self dealt tourney as the dealer shouldnt proceed untill their hands have been mucked! If this is a dealer dealt table then the dealer should be shot!!
Why do people wanna keep hands just to prove they can fold a hand like A 10 or a small pocket pair! Title: Re: Folding cards and discussing them during an all in... Post by: Tuffster on August 11, 2009, 10:34:56 PM This is just shocking ettiquete and players shud be shot for doing this! This is obv a self dealt tourney as the dealer shouldnt proceed untill their hands have been mucked! If this is a dealer dealt table then the dealer should be shot!! Why do people wanna keep hands just to prove they can fold a hand like A 10 or a small pocket pair! Agree with you, but the damage has already been done with them declaring their desire to play the Bullyseye game; "Look at what I could have won" and hence giving the information to the initial raiser. Sadly there's nothing that can be done here to make the hand play out fairly, but certainly you should complain and a decent TD should be giving them a verbal warning (or sit-out if it's a repeat offence). Title: Re: Folding cards and discussing them during an all in... Post by: tikay on August 11, 2009, 10:35:26 PM This is just shocking ettiquete and players shud be shot for doing this! This is obv a self dealt tourney as the dealer shouldnt proceed untill their hands have been mucked! If this is a dealer dealt table then the dealer should be shot!! Why do people wanna keep hands just to prove they can fold a hand like A 10 or a small pocket pair! Absolutely. You see the same idiots doing it time after time, they wanna medal for folding A-T or somesuch, "look what I folded". I saw a geezer rabbit-hunting at Luton last week - grabbed the deck & looked at the 2nd card down! Dealer never said a word. Have them shot, I say. Title: Re: Folding cards and discussing them during an all in... Post by: 810ofclubs on August 12, 2009, 12:09:18 AM This is just shocking ettiquete and players shud be shot for doing this! This is obv a self dealt tourney as the dealer shouldnt proceed untill their hands have been mucked! If this is a dealer dealt table then the dealer should be shot!! Why do people wanna keep hands just to prove they can fold a hand like A 10 or a small pocket pair! Absolutely. You see the same idiots doing it time after time, they wanna medal for folding A-T or somesuch, "look what I folded". I saw a geezer rabbit-hunting at Luton last week - grabbed the deck & looked at the 2nd card down! Dealer never said a word. Have them shot, I say. here here ;) Title: Re: Folding cards and discussing them during an all in... Post by: George2Loose on August 12, 2009, 12:10:44 AM This is just shocking ettiquete and players shud be shot for doing this! This is obv a self dealt tourney as the dealer shouldnt proceed untill their hands have been mucked! If this is a dealer dealt table then the dealer should be shot!! Why do people wanna keep hands just to prove they can fold a hand like A 10 or a small pocket pair! Absolutely. You see the same idiots doing it time after time, they wanna medal for folding A-T or somesuch, "look what I folded". I saw a geezer rabbit-hunting at Luton last week - grabbed the deck & looked at the 2nd card down! Dealer never said a word. Have them shot, I say. here here ;) yeh but it's Ad Td!!!! Title: Re: Folding cards and discussing them during an all in... Post by: celtic on August 12, 2009, 12:13:33 AM This is just shocking ettiquete and players shud be shot for doing this! This is obv a self dealt tourney as the dealer shouldnt proceed untill their hands have been mucked! If this is a dealer dealt table then the dealer should be shot!! Why do people wanna keep hands just to prove they can fold a hand like A 10 or a small pocket pair! Absolutely. You see the same idiots doing it time after time, they wanna medal for folding A-T or somesuch, "look what I folded". I saw a geezer rabbit-hunting at Luton last week - grabbed the deck & looked at the 2nd card down! Dealer never said a word. Have them shot, I say. Was that in a hand that i was involved with? If not it happened to me too at Luton last week. Title: Re: Folding cards and discussing them during an all in... Post by: Boba Fett on August 12, 2009, 11:48:16 AM Their hand should be declared dead imo
Title: Re: Folding cards and discussing them during an all in... Post by: phatomch on August 12, 2009, 12:14:36 PM both are warned and if do again miss 1 lap for everytime they do it again
Title: Re: Folding cards and discussing them during an all in... Post by: Girgy85 on August 12, 2009, 03:30:35 PM Their hand should be declared dead imo their hands are dead but they insist on holding on to it to show what they layed down! Who gives a f*ck what they lay down!! Title: Re: Folding cards and discussing them during an all in... Post by: gatso on August 12, 2009, 03:31:12 PM Their hand should be declared dead imo their hands are dead but they insist on holding on to it to show what they layed down! Who gives a f*ck what they lay down!! I do. it's all good info Title: Re: Folding cards and discussing them during an all in... Post by: tikay on August 12, 2009, 03:44:28 PM This is just shocking ettiquete and players shud be shot for doing this! This is obv a self dealt tourney as the dealer shouldnt proceed untill their hands have been mucked! If this is a dealer dealt table then the dealer should be shot!! Why do people wanna keep hands just to prove they can fold a hand like A 10 or a small pocket pair! Absolutely. You see the same idiots doing it time after time, they wanna medal for folding A-T or somesuch, "look what I folded". I saw a geezer rabbit-hunting at Luton last week - grabbed the deck & looked at the 2nd card down! Dealer never said a word. Have them shot, I say. Was that in a hand that i was involved with? If not it happened to me too at Luton last week. Yes - you were at the Table, though I don't know if you were in the hand. The rabbit-hunter was one of the most experienced players around. Title: Re: Folding cards and discussing them during an all in... Post by: mckelinho on August 12, 2009, 03:44:54 PM Fair enough peoples hand should go in the muck when they fold and not kept at their side but people can say what they want about their hand as long as they arent telling everyone exactly what they had.
Its all info, esp after the hand when they tell everyone what they had. Would you prefer to play a rock who doesnt say a word or show any emotion? Title: Re: Folding cards and discussing them during an all in... Post by: kinboshi on August 12, 2009, 03:46:12 PM Fair enough peoples hand should go in the muck when they fold and not kept at their side but people can say what they want about their hand as long as they arent telling everyone exactly what they had. Its all info, esp after the hand when they tell everyone what they had. Would you prefer to play a rock who doesnt say a word or show any emotion? Ermm, no they can't. If you're in a hand you can say certain things. If you're not in a hand - you don't talk about it until it's over. Title: Re: Folding cards and discussing them during an all in... Post by: celtic on August 12, 2009, 04:40:58 PM This is just shocking ettiquete and players shud be shot for doing this! This is obv a self dealt tourney as the dealer shouldnt proceed untill their hands have been mucked! If this is a dealer dealt table then the dealer should be shot!! Why do people wanna keep hands just to prove they can fold a hand like A 10 or a small pocket pair! Absolutely. You see the same idiots doing it time after time, they wanna medal for folding A-T or somesuch, "look what I folded". I saw a geezer rabbit-hunting at Luton last week - grabbed the deck & looked at the 2nd card down! Dealer never said a word. Have them shot, I say. Was that in a hand that i was involved with? If not it happened to me too at Luton last week. Yes - you were at the Table, though I don't know if you were in the hand. The rabbit-hunter was one of the most experienced players around. Yep, it was me and experienced player. He wanted to see if he hit his gutshot. Title: Re: Folding cards and discussing them during an all in... Post by: tikay on August 12, 2009, 04:46:33 PM This is just shocking ettiquete and players shud be shot for doing this! This is obv a self dealt tourney as the dealer shouldnt proceed untill their hands have been mucked! If this is a dealer dealt table then the dealer should be shot!! Why do people wanna keep hands just to prove they can fold a hand like A 10 or a small pocket pair! Absolutely. You see the same idiots doing it time after time, they wanna medal for folding A-T or somesuch, "look what I folded". I saw a geezer rabbit-hunting at Luton last week - grabbed the deck & looked at the 2nd card down! Dealer never said a word. Have them shot, I say. Was that in a hand that i was involved with? If not it happened to me too at Luton last week. Yes - you were at the Table, though I don't know if you were in the hand. The rabbit-hunter was one of the most experienced players around. Yep, it was me and experienced player. He wanted to see if he hit his gutshot. Because it made all the difference, knowing....... Title: Re: Folding cards and discussing them during an all in... Post by: keilan303 on August 12, 2009, 06:44:50 PM I like the bullseye comparison!!! At least in the pub game its funny when they flip over their 62o that they were clinging onto"I just knew that would have made two pair, I saw the same thing last week!!!"
Title: Re: Folding cards and discussing them during an all in... Post by: MLHMLH on August 12, 2009, 07:08:56 PM Different scenario - what's your opinion on this.
A situation occurred at DTD in the satellite to the £300 monthly event a couple of weeks ago. I was at the table but not in the hand. The guy on my immediate right who was in middle position pushed all in pre-flop (he was quite short stacked). It folded round to a guy in the small blind who called (he had chips behind). The big blind says "I don't know what to do" (he was obviously considering a call for the value) and the small blind who had already called said "I've got 2 picture cards". The BB folded. The guy on my right scooped the pot. He would have trebled up rather than doubling up if the BB had called, but the SB telling him what he had (he was telling the truth) put him off calling. I spoke up about it after the hand had played out because I felt that the behaviour was poor. The dealer called the floor and Danny (yogi bear) said it was too late because no-one spoke up before the hand was played out and that actually the guy could say whatever he wanted. I said I thought that that was true if the SB and BB were the only 2 in the hand, but where another player was all in, they were effectively colluding imo. Any thoughts? Michelle |