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Just watched a Cardrunners video on 9man SNGs (regular speed)

7-handed the instructor 'dirty.brasil' raises 3x UTG at 15/30, with 1530 chips, holding AKs. It folds round to the button, with 2005 chips, who 3bets to 240. No reads.

It folds to us. He advocates folding as calling out of position here is bad. Personally I'm shoving here all day long, is this wrong? Is folding really an option here? And is it really the best option?

If he's advocating folding, then I can't see much point in him raising to begin with. My as well raise with atc if he's folding to the re-raise

I don't get it. was there no more explanation?

it's suited, what more do you need to know?

I know man, his full comment on the hand:

"Easy open with AKs...once he 3-bets here there's nothing we can really do but fold. We can't flat call, because that's a pretty big chunk of our stack. We're gonna have to fold 2/3 of the time on the flop. Even if we do hit an Ace or a King, he's in position, so if he has a hand like QQ or JJ, he can get out pretty cheaply..."

but his comment says nothing about shoving...surely the LP 3 bettor has a wider range than something which crushes AK only?

Sounds pretty standard to me, this is my play here in a 9man.

This is what I was wondering man, whether this might be standard.

You only get it in with QQ/KK/AA in this spot?

Pretty much you can fold qq to some regs. Very few people in 9 mans are 3 betting aq here and given it is a decently sized 3bet we can assume villian has some idea. If AQ is not in villians range getting it in here in a 9man is terrible.

This sounds fair.

However he does says he doesn't recognise anyone at the tables at the beginning of the video. Against a random, things change? He doesn't use an HUD and this would be a good example of where it might help...

I now treat an unknown at 9man to be tight especially in the early stages and therefore reason that they won't stack off or even 3bet aq here. I do use a HUD though so can normally get my read from there.

against a random I want to get all in here 7 handed. or at least I thought I did a couple of hours ago

I'm happy with the fold against a good reg

I would jam

this is wrong though because AKs flops well when we get flatted.

If you're playing this professionally and multi tabling you just have to fold. I hate sngs for this very sort of reason.

?? how does a move become right because you are playing pro/multi tabling??

Because when you are 1 tabling and you has ACE AND KING suited it's alot harder imo than when  you grind for a living have 30 up and have been 3 bet opening utg in first level of a sng.

this is why i don't play SNGs

The reason folding here is the best play is more down to your $ equity.

If you shove and he has JJ, yes your racing but the fact you could be knocked out at the early stages for the sake of getting a small increase in your stack (in relation to the chips in play rather than your stack itself) doesn't warrant the race. Plus you could be crushed.

Alot of SNG players choose to limp UTG on AK and are prepared to call a small raise as this keeps in alot of hands we dominate and we could easily get our chips in far ahead on a flop we like.

don't get this, whether playing professionally or just as a mess around, one table or twenty, our objective is to make the most +ev decision out there.
What player is gonna 3bet AQ at 15/30 vs an utg opener, who is a cardrunners member??

If you're messing around though and not doing $ev calculations and aware of icm etc then AK is sooted and has an ace with a king thats like huge. When you are bokuing it up you just want to grind money and you've been in this spot and you've done the maths and now you limp call or raise fold as a standard.