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I happened to be playing cards last night in a London casino where a dealer from the Empire was also in the game.

He got into a conversation with someone else about tipping and how much the staff might pick up from the WSOPE Main Event winner, and there was a fairly scornful remark about the fact that as top prize is £801k "he'd probably just leave the £1k".

The other player said he thought they would probably leave more and so the Empire chap felt the need to validate his assertion by announcing to the table the name of a specific bracelet winner from an earlier event who "hadn't left a penny for the staff".

I bit my lip to avoid an argument, but was pretty disgusted.

so you said nothing at the time but instead decided to come and moan about it on the internet

standard

*bites fingers*

just like last night?

We had a thread like this very recently about GUKPTs.

 feck 'em. :)

c,mon spill t beans who was it........

Ah, must have missed that.  Same applies obviously - keep quiet either way!

Jamie, do you have any colleagues that act stupidly sometimes?

Do you have any kind of bonus scheme at Blue Square?

Do you think you should be denied part of your bonus if a colleague acts stupidly?


There are many reasons not to tip, this is not one of them.

*Bites lip* lol

Ignore the knockers Jamie, Post whatever you like.

That's a different thread... ;ashamed;

Pah!

Ahh my apologies, the person I was thinking of doesn't work for Blue Square.

The other thread I mentioned was where people were knocking Dave Smith for not tipping. There are a number of reasons why some people may decide not to tip. I personally couldn't not tip unless I was really peeved at something but I wouldn't necessarily disagree with instances where people don't.

Cos, you have to win before you Tip.

I don't get this having to tip dealers.

I generally tip playing cash but this is to avoid being cursed by the poker gods and I do disagree with the compulsion to tip.

I final tabled at DTD the other night, net result I made about £27 profit before having to give my mate £11 (his 20% share) and paying about £8 on petrol, hence overall I probably 'made' £9 - Do I really want to tip on a £9 profit? If I tip 10% of my winnings do I tip £6 or £1.90?

And to top it off I had at least one disagreement with a dealer over a rule and had to tell another not to let a player string bet!

PS I still think DTD is the best club in the UK with some of the best dealers.

Oh shit yeh, problem sorted then.

I heard when Kinboshi won his APAT tournament he was waiting at the cash desk and asked a Valet who was walking by to make him a tuna sandwich & a ham and cheese sandwich and bring them to him with a couple of pieces of kitchen roll. He'd just finished counting, collecting and signing for his money when she comes to him with said food. He hasn't left his tip yet but stuffs cash into his pocket and whilst she is still holding the plate he wraps the sandwiches in the kitchen roll, and walks straight to his car and drives home. So he didn't tip or pay for some food at services.

He did muster a thanks to the valet though.

just to clarify i wasnt knocking him for posting i was knocking him for not saying anything at the time then posting

the amount of times ive seen posts on here where someone tells a story where they didnt say anything at the time "because they dont want to cause an argument" (lol sure is the reason) but wait to slag the people off behind their back on the internet is remarkable, indicitive of pure internet people, no time for them.

10% of winnings, wow, either it's been that long since I've won a tournament or you've gone mad. 5% is always the figure I'd work with.

Although 10% of your winnings does't seem to work out at £6 or £1.90 according to the above info???

He must have been a very cute valet.

of course it's the reason, and pretty sensible it is too in an era where people have no problem with starting rucks in card-rooms

yeah it is but not the exactly how i meant it, if you cant say something to someones face(even if it is because you think it will cause a ruck or you'll get a clump)you're not entitled to then start running your mouth about the guy behind his back imo.

I would agree if the individual was being named, after all he has no right of reply unless he happens across the forum and the thread.

but if a poster is talking about a situation where unnamed person has done such and such and the poster writes on a subject, I think its fine. In such situations I don't think the poster is "running his mouth"

It was just this bit i was talking about really........

I bit my lip to avoid an argument, but was pretty disgusted

translates as: "shit myself from saying anything but couldnt wait to get on the internet to moan about it"

I think you are being too harsh, if I may say so. I can understand why someone wouldn't say anything at the time, and why they'd post on a busy poker forum asking for opinions about it afterwards.

where does he ask for opinions?

if it wasnt for the bit i quoted i probably wouldnt have said anything

the mere act of posting is inviting replies

I don't tip dealers.  Just a forewarning for when I win a bracelet.

yeah but he doesnt say: "is this right?" or even "how bang out of order is this?"

he makes a point of saying how disgusted he was at the time but didnt say anything

yup, and I don't have a problem with that..as someone who has done similar on occasion, and spoken up on others.

You do, and I don't mind you having a problem with it  :)

Er.... why do we all feel like we are supposed to tip the dealer?

Because Americans tell us so.

Tipping is very negative EV. I am already getting raped by the rake and don't feel great about paying tax twice.

Having said that, I will tip if the size of the pot warrants it and if the dealer has been professional and pleasant company.

I won't tip if the dealer is crap, the pot is small, or I won't tip especially if I feel I'm being made to feel mean, whether by the dealer or other players. A tip is a gift and the time to give a gift is when you want to, not when someone tells you to.

do you have a problem with me having a problem with the world's current financial problems?

No. Wouldn't tip the World's bankers though

translates as: "shit myself from saying anything but couldnt wait to get on the internet to moan about it"

I don't think most people on here would translate it like that.

Perhaps the way i explained it wasn't the best.

It is true though that i didn't particularly want to get involved in an argument over the poker table.  Also i didn't want to alert the chap to the fact that i knew anything about poker, seeing as i had a nice image of being a fairly anonymous casino chump that i was hoping to exploit  :)

I recognised the dealer as he's been working in London for a long while so i'm sure there will be a time and a place for having a quiet word.  He probably just didn't realise it was bad form, so no point creating a bad atmosphere when it generally pays to keep things friendly while playing.

TightEnd is right though - clearly i was posting to gauge the general opinion on the matter.

lol EXACTLY!!!!!!!

And that's why we have Poker Forums. It's not as if you named & shamed the guy.

Tbf to Bolt i think he just idolises you and wants to be just like you but didn't realise the situation was different to the type that you normally frown upon since no names where mentioned so it wasn't personal and now he's too embarrassed to admit to this so is just carrying on with his point to keep his male pride,imo  ;D

Errm doesnt sound much the Jamie i know!

I may be a bit dim, (Strike that, I am a bit dim) but I don't see the point you are making

The problem I have is nothing about this normal everyday situation suggests things are going to descend into violence anytime soon. So you should have the confidence to speak and interact in real life if something bothers you. I think we should accept normally talking with other people isn't going to get you shanked by some random in the casino. So I think Bolt is right when he highlights the contrast in size between internet balls and real life balls. No life interaction is bad imo. Also the trouble is when you play the pokers you need the big balls. So people should just speak if they have something to say, do it with tact, because they will be playing better poker already.

Can someone explain to me why a tip is expected?

i cant really be arsed to explain it so lets just say i'm mixing it up a bit from "lol ok"

hi m8

i was  typing into google :"why is a tip important"  when i got as far as: "why is a t" google populated a list of possibilites and i picked this one instead:


http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=why+is+a+tie+in+tic+tac+toe+called+cat&meta=&aq=3&oq=why+is+a+ti

hope this helps

i cant really be arsed to explain it so lets just say i'm mixing it up a bit from "lol ok"

Anyone fancy taking a stab at translating this..... ?

lol ok

when tips came legal in casinos back in sept 07 alot of the casino chains  decided that as the staff would be getting tips they would no longer be giving a annual increase in salary, this could have a impact on the dealers actions.

I AM NOT SAYING HE WAS RIGHT OR WRONG.

Hehe - I got a cheque ;)

Didnt really answer my question boltypoo but I can now thank you for teaching the correct terminoligy for a tie at tic tac toe.

10p<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<bolts tip to show my appreciation

First and foremost, the Empire casino card room pool their tips purely between the poker room so they are reliant upon the generosity of players without additional supplementation of tips from the gaming outside. This arrangement is different to how it is for me, and I can safely say that the dealers of roulette and blackjack are making more tip wise.

Generally, dealers are paid poor wages, work anti social hours and long shifts. And all through that is listening to nine miserable poxy people complain about no cards, bad beats and everything else you can think of. While I maintain a positive attitude to my career, there are definitely very few decent people in the game in comparison to the rude and obnoxious ones. You'd probably be very surprised to the number of angry, upset or outright distraught dealers in the staff room on any given life. Its a high stress job. Having to deal with people in our sort of environment always is.

Of course, people can find better work if they had a mind to. But understand that you will only find a select few people that will continue to bust their balls to no advantage. Their wage is guaranteed. Find a place with a decent wage and good base of tipping players against the opposite and we all know where the quality dealers will be.

When I started in the industry, tipping wasn't allowed. I didn't do private games or accept outside backhanders that both breached my license. If you tip me not a penny then I am honestly not prejudiced in any manner. Give me a table of shrewd, decent people over a group of well tipping rude players any day.

Unfortunately, people are all different. Some dealers will take back handers to cheat, though they always get caught eventually. Others accept private work ontop of their employment. A lesser evil, perhaps, but suggests an inclination to break the rules for financial gain. Rarely a good quality. This also means that some of them will not respect customer confidentiality, coupled with the growing attitude that tips are obligatory among newer staff in the industry it is not too hard to see why you see and hear the things you do.

Ultimately though, the answer is simple. Tip, or do not. You don't need a multiplicity of arguments on either side to help you decide whether to toss a £1 chip over towards the dealer.

This post was brought to you from a mobile phone at 6 30am in a dingy hotel in London. Work is in 7 hours. Better sleep.

great post

I had some arguments lined up comparing dealing to loads of jobs which are just as bad where people don't get tipped, and loads of jobs where they do - i.e. it's all pretty random.

but


I think really covers it, if you believe one way or the other that you should or you shouldn't then you should stick to it. What other people think shouldn't really come into it.

Agreed.

Title should probably have just been something like "Tipping Confidentiality" as opposed to the more inflammatory choice.  I didn't mean to make a case for people not to tip if they want to.  Each to their own.

Sorry.

Personally I took the post as Jamie being more peed off about the dealer naming and shaming the player who took the option - which is his right - not to tip. Rather than a don't tip post.

The title, as Jamie has said, probs wasn't the best he could use but probably applies to this dealer.

Geo

No arguments there. Such things ought not be disclosed at all.