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just seen this on facebook thought it would be good to give her some support

http://www.missblackbritain.co.uk/contestants.php?id=46

I'm not sure I agree with it. (I'm not talking about Candice, she's great) but I wouldn't like to see a "Miss white Britain" contest, and imo, this amounts to the same thing.

You'd prefer Mr White Britain?

Cos for Mr Turkey IMO....

both would be classed as racist surely?

Woodsey for mr dead pls! kthx lol

society accepted reverse racism at its best.... for that reason i am out

Having perused the entrants I don't think you'd have got many votes anyway.

Nah, not if the goal is equality. I don't think you can have true equality if you keep score. You'll end up with an 'us and them' mindset. Nothing wrong with celebrating culture, I'm all for that: I quite like the occasional highland games. I only go as a spectator but you don't have to be Scottish if you want to enter the events.

I'm not keen on a 'black only' beauty competition because it smarts of segregation. There would be outrage at a 'white only' beauty competition. I'm sure there is no harm meant in running this event but there must be an undercurrent of different rules for different colours. That's why I won't be supporting it either.

Would this thread of gone the sameway if it was a 'women over 6 foot' beauty contest?

Hows it any different if you have a tall/black/fat/indian/hairy greek beauty contest?

+1.

Same reason i hate the MOBOs

you have english/irish/scots/welsh/american/indian/brazilian/south africain infact every country in the world beauty contests

you have mobo awards

i dont see a problem here good luck to the girl dont think i have had pleasure of meeting her

I am disgusted that so many men on here would be against an event which would result in pretty girls parading around in swimsuits.

Are you all gay?

I prefer Kelly myself.

WTF? The MOBOs are not black only.

N-Dubz N-Dubz

Na na niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

This is a good post imo.

I think the black fighters for racial equality in the USA of yesteryear were not standing up so much for black people as trying to trample segregation, inequality and perceived divisions based purely on colour. Hardly celebrated by then having events for black people only.

so would a white only beauty contest be deemed as racist?

Maybe not, but I can't imagine an Music Of White Origin awards can you?

Stu,

How about a hairy greek contest hosted by Tulisa and Dappy from N-Dubz.


Na Na Naiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

(http://www.visithalton.com/dmsimgs/ndubz(1).jpg)

+1

Interestin question.

I don't think height is commonly a factor salient to social identity, whereas colour is.

In certain situations you can create pretty strong in-group <> out-group effects with any old crap though:

http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/psychology/social/intergroup_discrimination_tajfel.html

There were loads of experiments to work out what differences you really need to have any effect, they called this the 'Minimal Group Paradigm' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimal_group_paradigm

The groups have to perceive themselves as distinct. If there is competition for goals/resources, the groups try to screw each other

http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/psychology/social/sherif_robbers_cave_experiment.html

The moment short people try to take over the country, we will stand up tall and defeat them all. Baldies and beardies are next.

yeah. pretty sure it would be illegal and the organisers could be nicked for it

No great need for Dappy

or a contest

can I just have Tulisa tell me that she's been 'searching all over facebook trying to find me'?

or that she wants to 'put a ring on my finger, have i wondered about being with a singer'

its called the country and western awards, held every year in the grand old opry

We've had the debate about events aimed at minorities before and no one's going to change their views, so can't see much point adding my own.

I would say though that if people want a reason to protest against beauty contests there are plenty of other reasons that probably hold more validity.

I'll be voting anyway. Good luck Candice.

Iron Sir, I believe its her who hasn't had the pleasure...

Fittest black girl ever imo

(http://www.clothesontv.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Tulisa.jpg)

Can we just post pictures of Tulisa from now on....

(http://www.singerpictures.com/images/pic/n/n,,dubz/114111.jpg)

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnm7V-wv9L4

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I don't understand the Tulisa argument, just cause a white girl can win an award for singing a supposed black song or in a black way then its ok to have black music awards.

Its like saying that Michael Jackson can win a MOWO award for singing C&W but not R&B!

PS if the MOBO was called the Urban Music award I would no issue with it.

What a joke contest. Wtf.

Seriously if anyone who entered/runs this contest has ever moaned about racism in the past they should be shot now.

I'm not a fan of the Mobo's either because I don't think they need to call it that and a MOWO equivalent wouldn't be acceptable. Hence 'country' music awards etc...

Also, Mobo isn't as bad because white people can enter. Assuming this isnt the case for Miss Black Britain?

lol cos, gg black people if a white chick wins miss black.

Can someone put me right on what is acceptable between 'black' and 'coloured'? Aparently there was a complaint somewhere because someone was called coloured - is that wrong? Is 'black' the new brown...?

they aren't green, blue, orange, yellow and purple. They are black and as such people shouldn't feel embarrassed at saying that.

Reason I asked is cos I'm hoping to write to Tulisa and ask her to take it down.

In the beauty business women are described as 'ladies of colour' if they have non caucasian skin colour and that seems to be the accepted way. It's wierd how it's ok in one place and not in another.

And if someone called me a 'whitey' I would think they are being insulting - but I'm not sure why.

Many black people consider "coloured" a derogatory term. Found that out the hard way, completely innocently.

The one that stumped me was on Question Time last week when that lady pulled Nick Griffin up for saying Afro-Carribean.

What's wrong with that?

nah, was funnier than that. it was jack straw she was having a go at

think she was just crazy

It's obvious link to apartheid in SA is the main reason why people don't like it.

There is no Tulisa argument heathen!
She pwns all regardless of race, religion and ethnic background.
She unites the world in recognition of her greatness.

On a side note could you give me your definition of Urban Music?

Music that goes na na naiiiiiiiii

keith allen's vindaloo?

she said it was African-Carribean

have always known it as afro-carribean meself

For immediate release

The sudden change of attitudes with President Elect Obama, about to take the
highest office in the USA and become what is regarded as the most powerful
man in the world.

Miss Black Britain has never been more important or prevalent to issues
here in the UK and fashion industry, with a continuous attitude of Fashion houses,
labels and Model agencies flatly ignoring Black Models, Miss Black Britain hopes
to change the attitudes and perceptions of what can only be called a deliberate
white wash of Mainstream culture.

" If Obama can make president of The United States of America then it is a sign of
changing times, and that we have to move with the times.

If a nation has voted a black man to lead them, then surely they wouldn't see a black model
fronting a face of a campaign and decide not to buy a product!

There is a constant argument that black models do not sell products to consumers, however
within high fashion nobody has actually tried and tested it!

The same argument was often said that there would never be a black leader in the
western world, however there is one now."

Aneka Johnson Founder of Miss Black Britain.



http://www.ethnicnow.com/channels/fashion/press-release/2/2757/miss-black-britain-black-models-are-ignored-by-mainstream.html

press release cliff notes. 'if a black man can become president then we believe there's no reason why a black woman can't win miss black britain'

Mixed race is meant to be the correct term now, also don't use half caste that was standard a few years back.

I remember when I was working in the states a few years back I asked a black waitress for a 'white' coffee, fking hell you should have seen the evils I got, coffee with cream is the correct terminology apparently.

unless she was half- caste


sigh am so out of touch

cream ffs i would throw it back at her you want MILK not cream
or you should of unless you are spending too much time in the USA

hehe, in french africa you couldn't really order a coffee with cream as 'cafe au lait' coz the latter is now predominantly used for a person of mixed colour.

"You know when it comes to racism, people say: " I don't care if they're black, white, purple or green"... Ooh hold on now: Purple or Green? You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! - Unless they're suffocating - then help'em." M Hedberg RIP

isnt that mauve these days?

Using 'mixed race' now actually makes you worse than Hitler - 'dual heritage' is apparantly the term du jour.

Is this whole thread a promo for 'How racist are you on Channel 4 tonight?'

Sorry gotta draw the line with that bollox, never heard anyone say that ever........

nope, but according to the mobo website the mobos was set up to promote urban music, so why not call it the urban music awards.


My mate is dual heritage and dislikes the mixed race term.






edit to fix the quotes

He better never call me white then as I'm mixed heritage in that case, and I'll sue for racism if I hear it.

A mate of mine who's half jamaican just rang me and I remembered to ask him about this. He laughed when I said dual heritage and said 'I'd think you were a dickhead and didn't ever interract with black people if you said that to me'.

I know, the PC brigade should just GTFO, drives me frickin nuts sometimes..........

Lets take this all a stage further, I see all of these Ethnic groups set up to celebrate a particular culture, these have now trancended to business clubs and awards. I see Business groups for the " asian business  club" or the Afro Anglican business club / Awards, hell i have even seen a Womens busniess club for women only.

All of which i have no problem with, I have differing opinions on each but I have no problem, I do have 1 question though, Why do they need to be seperate and segregated. Now I cant deny I am white, I have a mixed Scottish, Irish and Italian bloodline, But What puzzles me is why do WHITE males not get an invite to a special club?

if I started a White male business club. or a White music festival, or a group or party that only catered to white males I think my Balls would be toasted before I got my first invites out.


Why is that so wrong?



( BTW, I dont want a white men only club, or do i ever want one, It all seems like too much hastle, I just cant fathom why it would be so WRONG since its the only one not really out there and in your face.)



Ohh aye, and best of luck to Candice, you are a looker babe, take it down.

Maybe when you say 'White men's club' it brings back memories of the dominant white colonials, coloured/asian people maybe never had such a history of domination over white people.

Englishman punches scottish guy in face , shouting 'F*** you you scottish bastard' Gets charged with racially-aggravated assault. Case falls apart in court: what 'race' are the scots?

There are white mens clubs though Newmans - go join the KKK. Same thing.

Meh, I dare say many members only golf clubs as well.....

I am not so sure that argument of White colonials holds water, as the current status quo allows minority culture groups to set up " us only " clubs. Which in my opinion feels wrong.

Then again cliques happen, but racial cliques has a more sinister feel to it.  I think a racial clique was started in Germany a few decades ago..... That did not end well.

did they have to shut it down when the nazis got in?

You missed my point mate; I don't think any single racial only club is a good thing. None of them sit well with me as it's too close to that us and them line that should never be crossed bent or blurred.

Yeah obv, I got your point I was just making an extreme one of my own.

I start with the evidence, that there seems to be assymetry between how Black only and White only groupings are perceived, the former being semi-accepted, the latter being despised. Are we agreed on that? Why does this occur?
Seems to me like the colonial past, and white enslavement of african-americans, etc may explain some of this? Something has to explain it.

Why do you all think Tikay really dyes his hair that colour?

Cus he has to cus its Blondepoker innit....

In fact probably because grey old fker poker ain't good for marketing purposes

I bet Candice is happy with how her good luck thread is panning out

PMSL

derailed on the 1st response, standard for blonde.

Tell you what really fucks me off, i've always hated the term Nigger (cringing while i type it) and bolloked anyone if they'd use it. About 10 years back was chatting with a black girl about music and she kept using the N word to describe various black artists. She told me it was ok for blacks to use it, and they do.

Obv if used in a derogatory way it's unacceptable but I have a friend who everyone calls Nigs and he likes it.

no talk about the football awards from last night on the thread

The only way I could describe 'urban music' would be to say 'music of a black origin'
To suggest the MOBO's should remove the word black from the title to make you feel better is racist is it not?

(Not trying to have a go, but i dont understand how you think changing the words makes any difference)

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1CdbEr8PhE

That surely is the post of the year Stuart.

If I went to a night club and it said 'White's only' on the door I would have an issue, if it said 'C&W fans only' then I would not.

As previously stated, the day that big 'White' awards are acceptable then I maybe will be able to ignore the blatant hypocrisy of the MOBOs.

PS the MOBO include a category for Gospel Music (which accordingly to Wikipedia has its origins in two white guys) and African (whats urban about africa?).

So they're not being racist then?

They are being inaccurate and offensive if Gospel is of 'white origin'.

Yeah, Jebus was white.

I couldn't give a toss about the rights or wrongs, you have got my vote Candice.

Good luck with it.

I think giving a toss or two is exactly what you've done to be perfectly honest!! :D

nh

What about bbc 1 extra, the black music station. Surely if there was a white music station it would all be kicking off!

Er, Radio 3?

Are poker tournaments for Greeks only or Norwegians only also "racist" ?

The Norweigan ones, possibly, but not the Greek ones. We don't let others in for their own good as its not fair for us to just take your money that easily.

In seriousness though, we let other nationalities play.

i find all this discusting ,if they had a miss beauty contest for whites only they would be eruptions .
and i have a good reason for saying this,after being accused of being racist for calling this lady a coloured bird.

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LOL Barry your quality, what offended her? Was it being called a 'Bird' or 'coloured' or were you just covering all bases to make sure she would be upset? rotflmfao

Lol @ woodsey.

but is she  right according to this,

http://www.colormatters.com/vis_bk_white.html (http://www.colormatters.com/vis_bk_white.html)

Nothing racist about the term coloured imo.

My grandad whose parents were of West Indian origin is coloured.

He would get deeply offended if anyone called him black. He says "I'm brown, not black" and prefers the term coloured if a term has to be used at all.

I've used the term coloured since I was a kid and still use it now. If anybody gets offended I just explain why I use the term and why I will always use it regardless of their opinion and they seem to accept it.

According to that she is wrong though.

Nobody on this planet is actually black as far as I've seen. There are various colours from very pale to very dark but nobody is black and nobody is white.

If anything we are all coloured.

i know I aint white as i just put a sheet of A4 paper against me and i'm nowhwere near it

I'm not sure on the reasons for the word being considered derogatory by some, but I think it goes back to the discrimination of non-whites, and the term coloured is used to single out 'non-whites' which like you've pointed out we're all different shades of whatever and a typical blue-eyed, blonde haired Scandinavian is going be a very different skin shade to a Mediterranean European - but both would be considered 'white'. 

I would assume it's because in recent history when black people were actually discriminated against unlike now when we're all judged on other attributes (ie a twat is a twat no matter what colour they are) the term coloured was used more often.

In South Africa for instance there were white sections and coloured sections of cafes. There were white and coloured toilets. White and coloured areas on buses. Etc... If the term black had been used then I'm sure that we would all now have to use a different term to avoid upsetting someone.

Most probably.  Like you said, the word Black doesn't really describe the skin colour, but more people of 'African' origin/appearance.  I just think that 'coloured' is a useless term for the reasons mentioned. 

Surely the point is that if someone uses a term and it's not meant to be derogatory and it doesn't lead to discrimination then it shouldn't be a problem.  Proberly.

Definitely. It's the intent the word that is important.

It's funny how all the opinion has been about the morality of a Miss Black UK contest and whether it discriminates against other people. But wait. A beauty contest discriminates against the majority of people, most of whom are ugly and couldn't fulfill the criteria. If the competiton was to find the ugliest black person rather than the most beautiful there would be lots more discontent imo. Hmmm. So it's interesting to note that colour as a qualifying attribute for a competition attracts lots of attention but beauty as a qualiification attracts none. Beauty is still how you look externally and how others perceive you. An event to find the most beautiful looking black person isn't about external equality and I'm not sure I like that. Personally though I do think beauty contests are pretty much all good.

Think this was mentioned earlier, but in fewer words ;)

 rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao

I think people who write long paragraphs are too easily the victims of discrimination these days

be aware, this last post confirms that mantis01 has had his account haxxed, do not send him $$$, it was far too short to be the real mantis. He says more than that just to call an all in.

Barry it's probably cos you put on your best Jamaican voice and said 'Irie, ere me now sista, you is da most buffest ting coloured bird I has ever seen man, rice an peaaaaaaaaaaaaa', not the fact you mentioned coloured bird.

Its sexist too in fairness

and uglyist