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Has been removed.

It is only going to lead to the sort of heated arguments we do not want to see on here, of which the thread saw initial evidence, as the two sets of fans will both have strong opinions on the subjec and many are unable to show civility and mutual respect.

just ban everyone from scotland imo

Just ban all Celtic and Rangers fans imo.

odds please on the thread about the scotland's shame thread being deleted also being deleted

2/11

depends can i get a bet on it?

abs. max bet then delete it and bankrupt trigg bookies plc

I'm not having a bet as I've just realised that if I win it'll be because the thread has gone so there'll be no evidence of the bet that I just won

can i have 15 million on pls?

Im the only one left anyway

no your not

You're nowhere near anywhere that matters.  Ban plz

how many times iron? you're english, just 'cos you live in scotland doesn't mean you have to go over to the darkside

Paid on?

still not the only scot

dont think we have banned any of the edinburgh crowd then there is laz and rod and double up
to name but a few

Lol, delete a thread titled Scotlands shame and the anti-scot trollers rear their heads again. wp

Why did you not just remove entirely and pm those involved the reason why?

Geo

Half right imo

tbf action man would of been on any thread making a book

and gatso is the new boldie

Yeah..Gatso sucks,

can't argue with that really

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Lol................wp Trigg

Geo

excellent paint skills Trigg

I didn't see the original thread but I am sure I could guess what it's about and deleting it is probably a sensible decision.

It does lead me onto another issue. Some threads I've seen on this forum since I have been a member have no doubt given those of u not blessed with Scottishness to get an insight into the standard OF bickering (I admit even though a Rangers fan). It can at times be poisonous in the extreme. My question is regarding the new proposal for the OF to join a new two tier premiership. Would anyone want the OF to join and if so why? 

i would prefer the OF to join a 2 team leauge based in glasgow and staying there with no relegation to promotion

If the OF leave the SPL, Scottish football dies. As much as I dislike the Old Firm I love going to the games against them and they are good for our game (albeit not so much just now). If they leave, no TV company is going to pay to cover the SPL as the OF is the only attraction.

if blonde is struggling for money they could start a subscription service to read the deleted boards, i'm sure people would pay for that!

I actually believe Scottish football would thrive without them, the league suddenly becomes very competitive with the OF gone. I also think there would be more opportunity for young scots to make the break through. I think Scottish Football would win, the OF would win, I just really don't see what's in it for the EPL.

I think the Old Firm in the EPL would hike TV revenues even more.

(Plus we get to prove that the Old Firm sides are cr*p ;))

I really agree with this, teams would be under less pressure to try to stack their team with crap foreigners to try to catch up with old firm, the quality of football would be better as teams wouldnt have to sit with 10 men behind the ball.  They would have more time to bring on youngsters and I think the league would eventually thrive.

For whats in it for the EPL, I think the travelling support (provided they dont wreck the place or disrespect silences) would be enough tobring lots of money into the premiership cities for the 1st few years anyway plus the extra TV money and sponsorship the premiership can command.

Doubt the OF will get in the Premier League any time soon - having them in means two fewer spots for teams like West Ham, Bolton, Wigan, Blackburn etc, and those teams all get a vote in whether the OF get in, so they're not going to vote for more competition for places.

Whilst being in the Premier League would mean more money for the OF from league games, it would mean an end to European football as Celtic and Rangers would be nowhere near European qualification - they'd be bumbling along in mid/bottom-half of the table.

...with Liverpool.

:(

No, I don't think Celtic or Rangers will get involved in the relegation battle.

Totally agree. Seems most fans are more than happy to be waving goodbye to the OF. Thanks for nothing really, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

you need to remember that none of the other SPL teams would be where they are financially right now, if it wasn't for Us bringing in the Setanta Money (when they actually paid up) and ESPN Money. don't bite the hand that feed you.

but the crowds would be bigger and the games more intresting the league more competitive and the whole package more intriguing to the TV companies who at the moment are only intrested in the old firm and derbys

I only half agree with you TBH.

The part i agree with is that the league would defo becoming more competitive, and enjoyable for the fans of the SPL teams, but i disagree with the TV companies taking a new interest, i really don't see them being interested in showing (a newly competitive) Hearts v Aberdeen, than say West Ham v Everton even.

Yes Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd etc will thrive and win the league, but they will only thrive in a desperate league which might not even gain entery into Europe anymore, if UEFA decide so once celtic and rangers leave (which i think will happen)

No Europe and no TV deals, how good will the league be?

Why would UEFA do that? They might well ban Rangers and Celtic from europe for not playing in their own domestic league a la the Welsh sides in England but the Scottish sides who remain will be more than welcome.

well if they do still let them compete in Europe it will be 10 times harder to get in due to the Coefficient, Celtic and rangers Co-eff's are majorly higher than hibs, aberdeen etc, and we struggle to make it through 1 or 2 rounds, with their C0-eff they will need to go through all three rounds, plus the play off round.

IMO they wont be competing in Europe.

I still think there wont be any TV deals tho, so very little money's coming in, meaning any young talent will still leave for Lower english leagues for better money

How is that any different to what is happening now to the non old firm scottish sides. The majority are still going through the qualifying stages of the Europa cup, if Rangers and Celtic leave the co-efficient will almost certainly drop but the clubs will also be finishing higher up the league/winning cups to qualify for the spot vacated by the old firm.

The implications of old firm's european future are a lot more concerning, what the old firm gain for being in the EPL they will also possibly lose european football leading to a situation where they couldn't financially compete with the big 4 in England.

Yes the league will be more competitive without the OF but it hardly means anything. Winning the league will be just like getting third at the moment. I really don't think I would be dancing in the streets if Aberdeen beat off stiff competition from the mighty Hearts Hibs and Dundee Utd to win the league.

I also agree with Dave, coefficient will crash without the OF and the league winner will have to start in the first qualification round for the champions league along with all the other small teams.

The sad fact is that the OF are Scottish football. They bring in the TV money and without them, revenues will plummet - TV and gates. I can't see clubs getting bigger crowds if the OF leave. The OF games are the only ones that get big crowds at Pittodrie.

This is what i was trying to say, perhaps Ross said it better than me.

OF games are the only ones to get crowds cause the standard of the rest of the teams is piss poor
when the OF leave the standard will improve IMHO and people will turn up to see good games

How will it improve with less funds, meaning poorer training facilities, and poorer youth academies?

because managers wont be filling there teams with crap over paid forgeiners

more fans would come into the game as games will have meaning where as now
the only thing they have to look forward to is getting to a final and coming 3rd

with poor youth systems,and managers not filling the team with players from over seas, it doesn't leave much tho does it. I do hope im wrong tho, as no doubt, a few old firm fans will head to some of the games up here if the OF are playing away at Brighton in the cup that day lol

the youth systems wont be so poor though and kids will get a chance in the first teams which they aren't currently getting
and they wont have the OF stealing all the better kids then letting them rot in the reserves as they are paying wages to over paid foreigners

I think there is more money to be made for being in the EPL than in the Champions league

so where would the money come from to maintain the youth systems, without any TV deals?

lol @over paid foreigners.. Foreign players are cheaper to buy than the overrated Scottish players (whom are snapped up by Celtic or Rangers after they've had one good season for a club like Hibs), this is why they go for foreign players...oh and obviously because they are generally speaking better than their Scottish counterparts.

Also..some current squads with nationalities (according to wiki).

where are all the over paid foreign players that managers "fill their squad with"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberdeen_F.C.#Current_squad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dundee_United_F.C.#Current_squad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibernian_F.C.#First-team_squad

I would stick Hearts in there but I reckon we'd both agree that Hearts is not representative of the avarega Scottish club ATM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partick_Thistle_F.C.#Current_squad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunfermline_Athletic_F.C.#Current_squad


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livingston_F.C.#First-team_squad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkirk_F.C.#Current_squad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton_Academical_F.C.#Current_squad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilmarnock_F.C.#Current_squad

I reckon the above lists show that Scottish players get plenty of chances to play...they're just not any good as the standard of coaching in Scotland, from youth level onwards, is terrible.

There are some very talented kids playing U16 footie at the moment but they get all the skill drilled out of them by the managers they have. Kids need to be managed and taught properly, and that's what's lacking at the moment. Obviously the standard of management with SPL clubs in general is shocking..but how would Rangers and Celtic leaving improve this? Rangers and Celtic are both struggling to find a decent manager FFS...what chance does Dundee Utd or Aberdeen have? Celtic, a team that'd pretty much guaranteed European footie every year can only bring in a man who got relegated with West Brom and is tactically completely naive.

What Scottish footie would need to be successfull (whether it'd be the national side or the SPL and other leagues) is investment in management and a complete cultural overhaul with regards to their attitude towards footie...it has nothing to do with over paid foreigners.

In a BIG way, and it's guaranteed.

not really sure why this debate is happening, they wont be allowed in the premiership anyway...

If they managed to get in they'd get relegated (cos they're crap) and then go back to Scotland.

if they started in league 2 they might make the play offs...

Part of the proposal is that there is no relegation.

Yes they are both crap at the moment but both clubs would be able to attract much better players if they were part of the EPL due to the massive increase in revenue and the atrraction of playing in EPL and not the SPL.

For comments like this can you explain why in the last few years some Rangers rejects have been ripping up the Championship?

who? the championship seems a high standard these days, most of the teams going up doing rather well for themselves.

I would love to see Rangers / Celtic each week down here, massive away support and better atmosphere at games

I have to disagree with this mate, they ain't rangers rejects, they were 1st team regulars that rangers didn't want to sell, but were forced to due to the Banks calling. Hence the reason they are ripping up as you put it

Oh Really?
Chris Burke - Played less than 50% of games for Rangers in his last 3 years.  Thought so highly of him he was let go for nothing although to be fair he had injury problems at Rangers and I rated him when he was actually fit for a prolonged period.
Charlie Adam - Played maybe 1 in 3 or 4 games under Smith, Rangers were practically desperate to get him out the door for the last year but he dug his heels in before finally leaving.
Gavin Rae - Constantly injured at Rangers, most people forget he was even here and nobody misses him.
Alan Gow - Has made 1 appearance for Rangers in 2 years despite being fully fit and was extremely impressive when on loan in the championship last year
Ross McCormack - Never broke through to the 1st team and was given away to Motherwell, scored as a sub in the champions leage away to Porto a few years ago, 2 weeks later shipped out on loan to Doncaster
Steven MacLean - Been injured this season I think but he scored a good few in the 2 seasons before that.

How can you seriously say these guys were 1st team regulars and Rangers didnt want to sell them?  And, except for Adam, they were all sold in the last 2 or 3 years so I doubt the banks were forcing us to sell these guys, we barely made a penny from them anyway.

As for the banks comment, who has been sold due to pressure from the bank??  I can think of 3 players in the last 5 years that MIGHT have been forced out the door due to the size of the transfer fee(I know 1 was for sure) but I seriously doubt the banks were banging on the door telling Rangers to start inviting bids for players so who was sold unwillingly by Rangers to appease the bank?

I was thinking more of Carlos Queer-hawk, Hutton, Ferguson and the constantly trying to offload Kris Boyd

none of them play in the championship

+ ferguson was never going to fit in with walter after the incident with scotland mcgregor is only still there due to the fact he cant get better for the money he could get selling him + ferguson is well past his play by date

carlos only left due to villa meeting his release clause

you sure know what you are talking about

whoops, boba's post was tl;dr, so i just assumed he meant anywhere in england

his post was half a line.

why reply to a post of half a line that you havent read with a post trying to cause a reaction

get over yourself Iron, why would i want a reaction from a guy who i know and im actually friends with

perhaps its you thats trying to get a reaction? it wont work mate, sorry.

Not wanted

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/8353937.stm

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14 votes against compared to 20 the last time.

Should get in by the time England win a World Cup bid.

why do we need to be linked together in any bid to get into the premiership ?

Its like trying to get into a nightclub with your slightly deranged tourettes spouting mate walking in with you....

This

Seems like a good fit to me, bring in 1 Scottish team and 1 Irish team at the same time!

Agree.

I cant see anything other than a win on all sides except for the current other SPL sides who will spend a few years recovering financially and remodelling their business but long run it's a winner up there too.

Or into the lapdancing with Tank......