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Title: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: RaisyDaisy86 on December 04, 2009, 09:46:31 AM
So was playing last night and i was in the 3 seat I have just been small blind in which the hand took quite a while and i was talking to seat 4 and reading something at the same time. So after the hand is finished dealer is shuffling (player dealing FWIW) and he says blinds please i glane up see button on my right (hasnt moved since last hand) so post small blind and big blind post as awell. UTG+1 calls and it gets folded round to me im still reading so look up. I then realise that the button hasnt moved and that im small blind again and big blind has posted twice as well. I mention to dealer who calls floor over who says significant action has taken place so hand must carry on. Anyway hand plays out and button moves onto me where it should have been last hand so no seat 4 has posted 2 big blinds and a small blind.
Does this seem right to everyone else?
Luckily it was only 100/200 leel so didnt really do any damage


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: Ironside on December 04, 2009, 10:15:13 AM
if action has taken place the ruling is correct



Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: RaisyDaisy86 on December 04, 2009, 10:36:35 AM
Ok i agree aboiut that but it then seems harsh to charge the big blind for an extra big blind and me for an extra small blind. If this was later in a tourney with high blinds then it definately would have been an issue


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: BulldozerD on December 04, 2009, 10:40:48 AM
Ok i agree aboiut that but it then seems harsh to charge the big blind for an extra big blind and me for an extra small blind. If this was later in a tourney with high blinds then it definately would have been an issue

maybe you/BB should pay attention then?


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: RaisyDaisy86 on December 04, 2009, 10:46:16 AM
Your right we should have and if it was later in a tourney then im sure we would have.
I posted this on 2plus2 as well and someone posted that the button should be moved to seat 4 where it should then have been, but this then means that seat 5 never posted a big blind so im not sure what is right


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: StuartHopkin on December 04, 2009, 11:30:01 AM
Your right we should have and if it was later in a tourney then im sure we would have.
I posted this on 2plus2 as well and someone posted that the button should be moved to seat 4 where it should then have been, but this then means that seat 5 never posted a big blind so im not sure what is right

Thats definately wrong.

Its just tough luck, everyone at the table must have been asleep to miss this!


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: Cf on December 04, 2009, 11:43:30 AM
Yeah, tough luck on you guys I'm afraid.

I would move the button on 2 places though in the next hand so it's where it would have been had the mistake not taken place. Moving it one spot is fine too though. No big deal either way.


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: luther101 on December 04, 2009, 12:29:04 PM
If the 'Button doesnt move' - try an Ouija Board      .....................      I'll get my coat.


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: StuartHopkin on December 04, 2009, 12:49:21 PM
If the 'Button doesnt move' - try an Ouija Board      .....................      I'll get my coat.

Lol

The pre accepted defeat makes this quite funny!


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: Cf on December 04, 2009, 12:56:37 PM
I'll get my coat.

Did anyone watch Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. There was a scene in there where they really missed a trick. Mark William's character was sat in an arm chair when Harry and Ginny entered the room and sat down. He then simply gets up from his chair and leaves the room. Why oh why couldn't they have him say "i'll get my coat"!!


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: Ironside on December 04, 2009, 12:58:39 PM
moving the button 2 spots means the SB misses his button and UTG misses his BB


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: Cf on December 04, 2009, 01:03:00 PM
moving the button 2 spots means the SB misses his button and UTG misses his BB

Hmm. Looks like I'm wrong. I think Robert agrees with you:

1. In button games, if it is discovered that the button was placed incorrectly on the previous hand, the button and blinds will be corrected for the new hand in a manner that gives every player one chance for each position on the round (if possible).


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: gatso on December 04, 2009, 01:04:57 PM
thought this was going to be an F1 thread, and button was staying at brawn/mercedes. nvm

think I'm with cf's original opinion on this one and not the bopkinator as he's always wrong about stuff as is robert of the rules, move the button 2 spots for next hand.

if it was a roe tourny it's obv we'd have to keep the rounds the same length so would automatically move it 2 spots, should be the same even for a single game. also if someone's sitting out a one round penalty they shouldn't be out an extra hand because 2 players didn't notice they were paying twice


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: Cf on December 04, 2009, 01:09:39 PM
thought this was going to be an F1 thread, and button was staying at brawn/mercedes. nvm

think I'm with cf's original opinion on this one and not the bopkinator as he's always wrong about stuff as is robert of the rules, move the button 2 spots for next hand.

if it was a roe tourny it's obv we'd have to keep the rounds the same length so would automatically move it 2 spots, should be the same even for a single game. also if someone's sitting out a one round penalty they shouldn't be out an extra hand because 2 players didn't notice they were paying twice

These are also good points lol

I'm going to disagree with RRs!


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: StuartHopkin on December 04, 2009, 01:10:36 PM
thought this was going to be an F1 thread, and button was staying at brawn/mercedes. nvm

think I'm with cf's original opinion on this one and not the bopkinator as he's always wrong about stuff as is robert of the rules, move the button 2 spots for next hand.

if it was a roe tourny it's obv we'd have to keep the rounds the same length so would automatically move it 2 spots, should be the same even for a single game. also if someone's sitting out a one round penalty they shouldn't be out an extra hand because 2 players didn't notice they were paying twice

Yeah you long haired girls stick together!

Wheres PoonJoe when you need him!?


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: Cf on December 04, 2009, 01:11:22 PM
thought this was going to be an F1 thread, and button was staying at brawn/mercedes. nvm

think I'm with cf's original opinion on this one and not the bopkinator as he's always wrong about stuff as is robert of the rules, move the button 2 spots for next hand.

if it was a roe tourny it's obv we'd have to keep the rounds the same length so would automatically move it 2 spots, should be the same even for a single game. also if someone's sitting out a one round penalty they shouldn't be out an extra hand because 2 players didn't notice they were paying twice

Yeah you long haired girls stick together!

Wheres PoonJoe when you need him!?

[ ] original, witty, and clever


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: Ironside on December 04, 2009, 01:13:31 PM
thought this was going to be an F1 thread, and button was staying at brawn/mercedes. nvm

think I'm with cf's original opinion on this one and not the bopkinator as he's always wrong about stuff as is robert of the rules, move the button 2 spots for next hand.

if it was a roe tourny it's obv we'd have to keep the rounds the same length so would automatically move it 2 spots, should be the same even for a single game. also if someone's sitting out a one round penalty they shouldn't be out an extra hand because 2 players didn't notice they were paying twice

Yeah you long haired girls stick together!

Wheres PoonJoe when you need him!?

[ X ] original, witty, and clever

FYP


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: Cf on December 04, 2009, 01:14:35 PM
thought this was going to be an F1 thread, and button was staying at brawn/mercedes. nvm

think I'm with cf's original opinion on this one and not the bopkinator as he's always wrong about stuff as is robert of the rules, move the button 2 spots for next hand.

if it was a roe tourny it's obv we'd have to keep the rounds the same length so would automatically move it 2 spots, should be the same even for a single game. also if someone's sitting out a one round penalty they shouldn't be out an extra hand because 2 players didn't notice they were paying twice

Yeah you long haired girls stick together!

Wheres PoonJoe when you need him!?

[  ] original, witty, and clever

FYP

FYFYP


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: Ironside on December 04, 2009, 01:16:37 PM
thought this was going to be an F1 thread, and button was staying at brawn/mercedes. nvm

think I'm with cf's original opinion on this one and not the bopkinator as he's always wrong about stuff as is robert of the rules, move the button 2 spots for next hand.

if it was a roe tourny it's obv we'd have to keep the rounds the same length so would automatically move it 2 spots, should be the same even for a single game. also if someone's sitting out a one round penalty they shouldn't be out an extra hand because 2 players didn't notice they were paying twice

Yeah you long haired girls stick together!

Wheres PoonJoe when you need him!?

[ X ] original, witty, and clever

FYP

FYFYP
FYFYFYP


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: StuartHopkin on December 04, 2009, 01:43:53 PM
thought this was going to be an F1 thread, and button was staying at brawn/mercedes. nvm

think I'm with cf's original opinion on this one and not the bopkinator as he's always wrong about stuff as is robert of the rules, move the button 2 spots for next hand.

if it was a roe tourny it's obv we'd have to keep the rounds the same length so would automatically move it 2 spots, should be the same even for a single game. also if someone's sitting out a one round penalty they shouldn't be out an extra hand because 2 players didn't notice they were paying twice

Yeah you long haired girls stick together!

Wheres PoonJoe when you need him!?

[ ] original, witty, and clever

To be fair I didnt put a lot of effort into it as you may have noticed


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: kinboshi on December 04, 2009, 02:28:33 PM
thought this was going to be an F1 thread, and button was staying at brawn/mercedes. nvm

think I'm with cf's original opinion on this one and not the bopkinator as he's always wrong about stuff as is robert of the rules, move the button 2 spots for next hand.

if it was a roe tourny it's obv we'd have to keep the rounds the same length so would automatically move it 2 spots, should be the same even for a single game. also if someone's sitting out a one round penalty they shouldn't be out an extra hand because 2 players didn't notice they were paying twice

Yeah you long haired girls stick together!

Wheres PoonJoe when you need him!?

[ ] original, witty, and clever

To be fair I didnt put a lot of effort into it as you may have noticed

It wasn't big, and it wasn't clever. 

But it made me LOL

:D


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: StuartHopkin on December 04, 2009, 02:34:22 PM
thought this was going to be an F1 thread, and button was staying at brawn/mercedes. nvm

think I'm with cf's original opinion on this one and not the bopkinator as he's always wrong about stuff as is robert of the rules, move the button 2 spots for next hand.

if it was a roe tourny it's obv we'd have to keep the rounds the same length so would automatically move it 2 spots, should be the same even for a single game. also if someone's sitting out a one round penalty they shouldn't be out an extra hand because 2 players didn't notice they were paying twice

Yeah you long haired girls stick together!

Wheres PoonJoe when you need him!?

[ ] original, witty, and clever

To be fair I didnt put a lot of effort into it as you may have noticed

It wasn't big, and it wasn't clever. 

But it made me LOL

:D

Cf made you LOL?


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: George2Loose on December 04, 2009, 02:51:50 PM
 :redcard: ;grr; :redcard: ;grr; :redcard: ;grr; :redcard: ;grr;


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: gatso on December 04, 2009, 02:53:27 PM
that's def a whinge george


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: kinboshi on December 04, 2009, 02:56:16 PM
that's def a whinge george

+1


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: George2Loose on December 04, 2009, 02:57:47 PM
;sark; ;sark; ;sark; ;sark; ;sark; ;sark; ;sark; ;sark; ;sark;


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: The Sweeney on December 04, 2009, 04:19:16 PM
Action has taken place so error is condoned and you just carry on as is...


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: marcin123 on December 04, 2009, 05:22:42 PM
Yep action taken place already... This happened to a friend of mine in the £100 at blackpool a few months back... He had just posted the BB at 2000/4000-400 and after the hand all the 100's were being raced off... The dealer didn't move the button on therefore he posted BB at 3000/6000-500 but action had already taken place before anyone on the table(or off the table ME) realised... *sigh*...


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: poonjoe on December 05, 2009, 03:03:51 PM
After two folds the hand has to be played out but button moves twice next deal. Seat 4 has paid two big blinds already he doesn't pay small blind next hand.


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: poonjoe on December 06, 2009, 04:28:50 AM
Oops just bin chewed out for giving wrong ruling - the hand does play but button moves one seat as normal next hand. Players have responsibility to make sure they are posting correct blinds, seat 5 won't miss his big blind next hand.


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: gatso on December 06, 2009, 04:39:05 AM
Oops just bin chewed out for giving wrong ruling - the hand does play but button moves one seat as normal next hand. Players have responsibility to make sure they are posting correct blinds, seat 5 won't miss his big blind next hand.

joe,could you ask the tds there about my 2 points here please



if it was a roe tourny it's obv we'd have to keep the rounds the same length so would automatically move it 2 spots, should be the same even for a single game. also if someone's sitting out a one round penalty they shouldn't be out an extra hand because 2 players didn't notice they were paying twice


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: relaedgc on December 06, 2009, 09:20:06 AM
The button carries on as normal after the hand despite the error.


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: StuartHopkin on December 06, 2009, 04:29:45 PM
Stu - 1

Cousin It and his raggety ass long haired chum - 0


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: gatso on December 06, 2009, 04:31:46 PM
The button carries on as normal after the hand despite the error.

that's lovely but a touch vague. by 'as normal' do you mean we move it to where it would've been had there been no error or we move it to the next spot?


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: gatso on December 06, 2009, 04:32:58 PM
Stu - 1

Cousin It and his raggety ass long haired chum - 0

not really. we agree that that's the rule, we don't agree that it should be


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: relaedgc on December 07, 2009, 08:04:57 AM
The button carries on as normal after the hand despite the error.

that's lovely but a touch vague. by 'as normal' do you mean we move it to where it would've been had there been no error or we move it to the next spot?


The latter.


Title: Re: Button doesnt move whats the ruling?
Post by: StuartHopkin on December 07, 2009, 09:11:14 AM
Stu - 1

Cousin It and his raggety ass long haired chum - 0

not really. we agree that that's the rule, we don't agree that it should be

Of course it should be.
ROE tournaments - who cares? they are mega ghey!