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First level in Day two, and the blinds are 800/1600/200.

I am playing around 50k and have been fairly active today raising a few times and simply taking down the blinds and antes.

A very active and probably biggest stack at the table(150k+) opens from LP to 4k which is the standard raise which is folded to me in the SB, I have AKo and elect to flat, everyone else gets out of the way.

Anyone happy/unhappy with my flat ?

Don't like the call at all to be honest.

With 30 bigs here I'm making it about 11k then snapping a shove or snap shoving a 4 bet.

Calling oop against the big stack is likely to lead to problems. Try to get the business done pre if possible.

Yeh deffo 3 bet here Ralph.

This!

Raise the LP raiser and snap a shove!

why did you flat? you must have had reasons?

Interested to see if you are flatting to trap or flatting for caution / pot control.

Personaly unless YOU were the late pos raiser I shove - if i was against YOU then i just open fold.

thanks!

The reason for flatting was twofold really.

I felt that I had too many chips to shove and I wanted to play OOP a little trappily v the table CL.

Anyhow on to the flop...

T, 7, 3 rainbow

I check and villain checks behind.

Turn is a Q which puts a FD(albeit unlikely) out there and I now decide to lead for 6.5k with my gutter and overs.

Thoughts ?

would have 3bet preflop to 13kish

It went check, check on the flop.

lol sz typo, ment pre flop

I'd rather check call here Ralph and re-evaluate on river if he bets again. If he raises here you're doing exactly what you didnt want to do pre and build a pot OOP

To be honest Ralph if I've actually played the hand like this I'm now kicking myself under the table and have decided not to commit another chip to this mangled premium hand.

The last thing I want to do here is turn AK in to a bluff oop.

It's all gone wrong so just give up and move on.

What exactly are you repping with your turn bet? Have you thought through what you would put oppo on if the tables were turned and he'd lead the turn? It just doesn't make sense and your oppo with a bigger stack and aggro tendancies is likely to pounce.

Yeah, that's the thing. Your oppo is described as loose and active, he has lots of chips, he has position, and things are going well for him in this tournament. So such a guy is prob going to give you action if you make a play. You can take advantage of his tendancies by raising pre with a premium hand and hoping for his action. He might fall in love with A-Q and ship on the bully. Your play allows him to make that mistake. However, on the turn you have the same guy with the same tendancies, but now you don't want his action anymore because you don't have a hand. Now if he gives your bet action he isn't making a mistake anymore. And we have already pegged he is likely to give your bets action. His flop check which was a surprise also suggests he will give you action cos with everything in his favour I find it hard to believe villain just gives up without making a play.

Villain flats my 6.5k turn bet and I'm liking this hand and the way things are going less and less.

The river comes an A so the complete flop is T, 7, 3, Q, A.

Best play is ?

wow pretty interesting hand. First off, I dont mind flatting AK here, but when he checks the flop I dont mind checking the turn, we have showdown value and we could easily get to see a river. As played on river I check quickly induce a bluff  and then call quickly too.

Check/call river I think, awful decision to make if he raises when you bet.

Never c/calling river here dude, i would bet/fold river for about 10-14k depending on reads etc.

With the board running out like this i feel like 1073rQA is a board wher villian is calling turn with a high % of hands which insta check behind the river, i mean he has some Ax in his range but i think bet fold is deffo the way to go. Possible holdings inc, 88, 99, A10, K10, J10s, 109s, AQ, KQ, JQ, Q9, Q8s, KJ, A7s, J9s, the turned fd with a gutshot possibly such as J8s and Axs in the fd.

Hands that beat you in bold all of which are going to raise/jam over your river bet, mixed in with bluff shoves like never in live poker? i think


I think what happened here is that you bet the river and got raised and called the raise, or you check called and he had you beat?

Also how many hands check back this flop

Listening to 810clubs I think that bet/folding is actually the best play. I think he calls with alot of his range and we add another 20% to our stack, I think his raising range on the river is super thin and I think he flats lots of 2 pairs. Im expecting him to raise sets/KJ depending on the player AQ, basically I just dont think we get raise here and I think he checks behind so much of his range, Qx, Ax, KK, JJ, 99 etc, so missing out on tonnes of value from just c/ with the plan of calling. 25k ish in the middle? :s I guess a bet of 12-14k is about perfect.

meh, should really of just +1'd 810ofclubs lol.

I think preflops ok since you keep in so many hands you dominate, i'd rather 3 bet tho as no doubt he will be paranoid and bash it in fairly loose.  Turns standard I think, is good card to bluff since you flat with fair few hands which have a queen is, I think once he checks back the flop he has A high a lot so on the river i'd bet pretty big and fold if he raises.

I don't like the bet fold line. Villain has the chips to c-bet the flop, the position to c-bet, and the initiative to c-bet. He also spikes a pretty ideal flop to c-bet. And he's decribed as very active. So why doesn't he c-bet? Especially in this world where every mofo and his dog c-bets. If he did check the flop, call one turn bet and snap-check behind on the river he wouldn't be the active big stack as described, he would be a conservative nit. So maybe it's true that the guy is playing a hand out of character and there's value to exploit, but I can't see it so much. I don't see why villain checking the flop means he has A-high, he should deffo be betting the flop with A-high.

Well at this stage of the hand I really was not at all sure where I was so I decided to check and see what villain did.

Villain now bets 11k.

Call, fold, shove ???  I did actually consider all three of these options for varying amounts of time.

3bet pre, check/fold turn, bet/fold river

think him having this the way the hands played is very unlikely, fold to the 11k bet

pretty much this, if he completely whiffed the flop he is probably betting so by him checking back it probably means he hit a part of it either a marginal Tx he pot controlling or a set he is tarping, hence check/fold turn

mev, first a % swap and then you agree with me on a PHA thread, incred life I lead.

Obv 3bet pre. If not the only reason to bet the turn would be to double barrel as opponent always has a marginal hand he wants to showdown. I actually like shipping any non pairing river even tho its an overshove, but I would have bet slightly more on the turn as he is nearly always calling the turn and folding the river so we might as well get an extra 2k out of him.