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« on: December 20, 2009, 12:13:03 AM »

First level in Day two, and the blinds are 800/1600/200.

I am playing around 50k and have been fairly active today raising a few times and simply taking down the blinds and antes.

A very active and probably biggest stack at the table(150k+) opens from LP to 4k which is the standard raise which is folded to me in the SB, I have AKo and elect to flat, everyone else gets out of the way.

Anyone happy/unhappy with my flat ?
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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2009, 12:58:48 AM »

Don't like the call at all to be honest.

With 30 bigs here I'm making it about 11k then snapping a shove or snap shoving a 4 bet.

Calling oop against the big stack is likely to lead to problems. Try to get the business done pre if possible.
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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2009, 01:22:20 AM »

Don't like the call at all to be honest.

With 30 bigs here I'm making it about 11k then snapping a shove or snap shoving a 4 bet.

Calling oop against the big stack is likely to lead to problems. Try to get the business done pre if possible.

Yeh deffo 3 bet here Ralph.
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2009, 01:23:35 AM »

Don't like the call at all to be honest.

With 30 bigs here I'm making it about 11k then snapping a shove or snap shoving a 4 bet.

Calling oop against the big stack is likely to lead to problems. Try to get the business done pre if possible.

This!

Raise the LP raiser and snap a shove!
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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2009, 01:14:46 PM »

why did you flat? you must have had reasons?

Interested to see if you are flatting to trap or flatting for caution / pot control.

Personaly unless YOU were the late pos raiser I shove - if i was against YOU then i just open fold.

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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2009, 02:39:32 PM »

why did you flat? you must have had reasons?

Interested to see if you are flatting to trap or flatting for caution / pot control.

Personaly unless YOU were the late pos raiser I shove - if i was against YOU then i just open fold.

thanks!

The reason for flatting was twofold really.

I felt that I had too many chips to shove and I wanted to play OOP a little trappily v the table CL.

Anyhow on to the flop...

T, 7, 3 rainbow

I check and villain checks behind.

Turn is a Q which puts a FD(albeit unlikely) out there and I now decide to lead for 6.5k with my gutter and overs.

Thoughts ?
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2009, 09:30:20 PM »

would have 3bet preflop to 13kish
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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2009, 10:07:14 PM »

would have 3bet the flop to 13kish

It went check, check on the flop.
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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2009, 10:40:02 PM »

would have 3bet the flop to 13kish

It went check, check on the flop.

lol sz typo, ment pre flop
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« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2009, 10:50:55 PM »

why did you flat? you must have had reasons?

Interested to see if you are flatting to trap or flatting for caution / pot control.

Personaly unless YOU were the late pos raiser I shove - if i was against YOU then i just open fold.

thanks!

The reason for flatting was twofold really.

I felt that I had too many chips to shove and I wanted to play OOP a little trappily v the table CL.

Anyhow on to the flop...

T, 7, 3 rainbow

I check and villain checks behind.

Turn is a Q which puts a FD(albeit unlikely) out there and I now decide to lead for 6.5k with my gutter and overs.

Thoughts ?

I'd rather check call here Ralph and re-evaluate on river if he bets again. If he raises here you're doing exactly what you didnt want to do pre and build a pot OOP
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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2009, 01:58:47 AM »

why did you flat? you must have had reasons?

Interested to see if you are flatting to trap or flatting for caution / pot control.

Personaly unless YOU were the late pos raiser I shove - if i was against YOU then i just open fold.

thanks!

The reason for flatting was twofold really.

I felt that I had too many chips to shove and I wanted to play OOP a little trappily v the table CL.

Anyhow on to the flop...

T, 7, 3 rainbow

I check and villain checks behind.

Turn is a Q which puts a FD(albeit unlikely) out there and I now decide to lead for 6.5k with my gutter and overs.

Thoughts ?

I'd rather check call here Ralph and re-evaluate on river if he bets again. If he raises here you're doing exactly what you didnt want to do pre and build a pot OOP

To be honest Ralph if I've actually played the hand like this I'm now kicking myself under the table and have decided not to commit another chip to this mangled premium hand.

The last thing I want to do here is turn AK in to a bluff oop.

It's all gone wrong so just give up and move on.

What exactly are you repping with your turn bet? Have you thought through what you would put oppo on if the tables were turned and he'd lead the turn? It just doesn't make sense and your oppo with a bigger stack and aggro tendancies is likely to pounce.
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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2009, 09:46:27 AM »

Yeah, that's the thing. Your oppo is described as loose and active, he has lots of chips, he has position, and things are going well for him in this tournament. So such a guy is prob going to give you action if you make a play. You can take advantage of his tendancies by raising pre with a premium hand and hoping for his action. He might fall in love with A-Q and ship on the bully. Your play allows him to make that mistake. However, on the turn you have the same guy with the same tendancies, but now you don't want his action anymore because you don't have a hand. Now if he gives your bet action he isn't making a mistake anymore. And we have already pegged he is likely to give your bets action. His flop check which was a surprise also suggests he will give you action cos with everything in his favour I find it hard to believe villain just gives up without making a play.
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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2009, 10:00:48 AM »

Villain flats my 6.5k turn bet and I'm liking this hand and the way things are going less and less.

The river comes an A so the complete flop is T, 7, 3, Q, A.

Best play is ?
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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2009, 10:19:34 AM »

wow pretty interesting hand. First off, I dont mind flatting AK here, but when he checks the flop I dont mind checking the turn, we have showdown value and we could easily get to see a river. As played on river I check quickly induce a bluff  and then call quickly too.
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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2009, 10:55:53 AM »

Check/call river I think, awful decision to make if he raises when you bet.
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