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This is my first ever hand analysis post, so advice of how to be clearer would be appreciated, but i'll do my best.

It was a live game, £100 buyin, 45 min clock, 10k starting.

Seat 7 is generally TAG, seems to defend his big hands with sizable bets, hasn't played many hands, Seat 9 calls a lot, has been seen to limp with non premium aces.

Blinds 75/150. Seat 7 has 14-16k, Seat 8 (hero) has 22k'ish, Seat 9 has 12kish. Table is 9 handed.

Folds to hijack, Seat 7(hijack) raises to 400. Hero in Seat 8(cutoff) calls with  3h 3c. Seat 9(button) also calls. Blinds fold.

Flop comes  3s Ks Ad.

Seat 7 checks, hero bets 950, Seat 9 calls.

Seat 7 raises to 3000.

Hero?

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I've spoken to a couple of mates about this spot, and have come to a conclusion as to what i'll be doing if this spot comes up again, but Seat 7 is quite a well known member of Blonde, so figured it would be worth posting. I am fairly sure of all the details, but not certain, so i've done my best to recreate the spot.

i think i might Flat call the 3000 mate and try get the seat 9 in to,   when the turn come without a spade Ace or King my chips are going in

Seat 7 looks like a flush draw with the  Aspades. It's a perfect c/r spot for him and really standard.

Given this I think I just get the lot in now. If he wants to hit his flush make him pay his whole stack for it now.

Given what's in the pot now I can't see the point of doing a flat call to trap the guy. If the turn comes a spade you're hating life, if it's a non spade he's not paying you off anyway unless he's tez.

If you've been out setted then just have a shoulder shrug and start rebuilding your stack.

I think i do a flat call here.

Some people are probs going to disagree with me because of the two spades, but I just dont roll like that.

Get it in. If he has AA/KK then ul. If he has a fd he might call but isn't getting the price. If he's got AK then wiiii

Flat.  Give them some rope.

I disagree but not because I'm scared of the 2 spades. We want oppo to get it in while he's behind and there's a very good chance he'll play for stacks with the nut flush draw. Most players will so there's no reason to think this guy won't.

If we do a flat call now the only way we're getting the rest of his stack in the middle is if he actually hits the turn and we're behind.

Are we not losing value from a big chunk of both players ranges if we shove?
By flatting we keep them both in (probably) and we probably get more in on the turn if it bricks.

Rhodsey? Why dont we want to see and Ace or a King, either card would be heaven, the  Aspades would be amazing.

The ace of spades the ace of spades!

I know were happy to get it all in here and get called by a draw.
I just think we can keep the pot controlled, see the turn, re evaluate, probably still get paid, possible from both, and preserve chips if the spades are on their way.

The  Aspades would suggest to me that we're probably about to do a chunk of our stack against a bigger full house. There's no way that at least one oppo hasn't got either the nut flush draw, top 2 or a set so the  Aspades suggests that we're in the shit.

Why pot control when we think we're ahead? The only form of pot control I want here is trying to make it as big as possible while I think I'm ahead. Seat 7 has shown us that he isn't bothered about pot control so there's a strong chance that he'll get the lot in now. If he doesn't then we just take his 3k, add to our already nice stack and continue to dominate the table.

People check raising here are never folding to a jam, it just makes no sense, so jam!

There's a lot of hands calling shove considering what's in the pot already.  Pretty much every AsXs, JTss, QJss, QTss, AK, probs even AQ sometimes.  Flatting and hoping for a nonspade turn just seems trivial when villain's calling range is presumably fairly wide on such a draw heavy board.  Get it in

I think we find worse thatn top 2, or a flush draw very often.

Im not saying getting it in is bad. I just see the opportunity to keep it 3-way and see the turn before I get my stack in a little more appealing.

Stu he could easy have AK here and an A on the turn gives him a bigger full house if the Ace or king comes on the turn he is going to check it to you where your going to try hit your last 3 on the river for free

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buy flat calling seat 9 is going to call the bet too then JAM JAM JAM the turn

He could have AK, but he could also have many other hands that would open this pot. Theres a big pile of worse aces that he could have opened and check raised with, even a few kings that now want to represent something a bit bigger.

My posts will always be a bit different on here because I dont give anyone a tenth of the credit most people give the villains on PHA.

Glad this has had some response.


Does it make any difference to anyones opinions if i told you the OR was a Mr Tony Kendall?

[waits for the first person to say 'fold to the reraise']

Yes,snap fold

Edit:Was kidding coz it's tikay,ain't played with the legend myself but have heard he's a bit of a nit but i still shove and sigh wen he snap calls

fyp

3 bet you have a set

Fold Pre Tony only plays AA or KK

If we assume this is true then we should be calling pre 101% of the time.

indeed :)

Makes no difference whatsoever. You've got a set and if you lose you shrug it off as a beat and move on.

If you call with 33, hit a set and pass you shouldn't be calling with 33. I know the board is a bit dodgy but you just can't be scared of being behind.

Well it shouldn't make too much difference to the debate, but I actually popped it to 8k and they both passed.

After self analysis (even before I started this thread) I decided that I think shoving would be optimal. The raise looks like a set, and you get the same result from shoving as you do from raising, with the bonus that it might well look more like a draw.

I wasn't scared for one second of being behind, and I remember being pretty convinced that Tikay had AK and that we were getting it in, esp in light of the way that I constantly get mistaken for a draw-betting maniac during live poker simply because i'm under 25.

My main mistake during the hand imo was poor stack/pot size analysis, which led to me not realising that raising would look stronger than shoving. Having said that, in that kind of tournament I feel there's a huge gulf in the strength of an all-in move in a live casino tourn than if this situation was online. If the same situation had occurred online I have no doubt I just get it in.

Where is the old man when you need him?

Do you know what he had?

Strictly speaking with TK involved you should probably flat to try to bring the other guy in.

You're getting no further value from TK as he will lay down top 2 and also the nut flush draw in this situation.

Saying that from what I've seen he isn't the nit he used to be but he loves the game and enjoys table time. Did he seem to be having fun at the table? Silly as this sounds if there was an idiot at the table he probably calls a shove because he's not bothered about leaving. If there were nice people there and he was really enjoying himself then he passes because he wants to maximise table time.

He says he can't remember.

It wasn't any kind of dwell though, so not AK.

v tony kendall this is a 100% flat on the flop, given he deffo has bluffs in his range. V an unknown tightish guy, jam this flop pls.

I'm jamming. They're rarely going to fold here, and the turn might kill your action. If they have a bigger set, then just hit your out.