3 way live pot, set on a 2 spade board.

[LeedsRhodesy]

Get it in. If he has AA/KK then ul. If he has a fd he might call but isn't getting the price. If he's got AK then wiiii

Are we not losing value from a big chunk of both players ranges if we shove?
By flatting we keep them both in (probably) and we probably get more in on the turn if it bricks.

Rhodsey? Why dont we want to see and Ace or a King, either card would be heaven, the   would be amazing.

The ace of spades the ace of spades!

Stu he could easy have AK here and an A on the turn gives him a bigger full house if the Ace or king comes on the turn he is going to check it to you where your going to try hit your last 3 on the river for free

[LeedsRhodesy]

I think i do a flat call here.

Some people are probs going to disagree with me because of the two spades, but I just dont roll like that.

I disagree but not because I'm scared of the 2 spades. We want oppo to get it in while he's behind and there's a very good chance he'll play for stacks with the nut flush draw. Most players will so there's no reason to think this guy won't.

If we do a flat call now the only way we're getting the rest of his stack in the middle is if he actually hits the turn and we're behind.

I know were happy to get it all in here and get called by a draw.
I just think we can keep the pot controlled, see the turn, re evaluate, probably still get paid, possible from both, and preserve chips if the spades are on their way.

Why pot control when we think we're ahead? The only form of pot control I want here is trying to make it as big as possible while I think I'm ahead. Seat 7 has shown us that he isn't bothered about pot control so there's a strong chance that he'll get the lot in now. If he doesn't then we just take his 3k, add to our already nice stack and continue to dominate the table.

Im not saying getting it in is bad. I just see the opportunity to keep it 3-way and see the turn before I get my stack in a little more appealing.

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buy flat calling seat 9 is going to call the bet too then JAM JAM JAM the turn

[StuartHopkin]

Get it in. If he has AA/KK then ul. If he has a fd he might call but isn't getting the price. If he's got AK then wiiii

Are we not losing value from a big chunk of both players ranges if we shove?
By flatting we keep them both in (probably) and we probably get more in on the turn if it bricks.

Rhodsey? Why dont we want to see and Ace or a King, either card would be heaven, the   would be amazing.

The ace of spades the ace of spades!

Stu he could easy have AK here and an A on the turn gives him a bigger full house if the Ace or king comes on the turn he is going to check it to you where your going to try hit your last 3 on the river for free

He could have AK, but he could also have many other hands that would open this pot. Theres a big pile of worse aces that he could have opened and check raised with, even a few kings that now want to represent something a bit bigger.

[StuartHopkin]

Get it in. If he has AA/KK then ul. If he has a fd he might call but isn't getting the price. If he's got AK then wiiii

Are we not losing value from a big chunk of both players ranges if we shove?
By flatting we keep them both in (probably) and we probably get more in on the turn if it bricks.

Rhodsey? Why dont we want to see and Ace or a King, either card would be heaven, the   would be amazing.

The ace of spades the ace of spades!

Stu he could easy have AK here and an A on the turn gives him a bigger full house if the Ace or king comes on the turn he is going to check it to you where your going to try hit your last 3 on the river for free

He could have AK, but he could also have many other hands that would open this pot. Theres a big pile of worse aces that he could have opened and check raised with, even a few kings that now want to represent something a bit bigger.

My posts will always be a bit different on here because I dont give anyone a tenth of the credit most people give the villains on PHA.

[Sighmuns]

Glad this has had some response.


Does it make any difference to anyones opinions if i told you the OR was a Mr Tony Kendall?

[waits for the first person to say 'fold to the reraise']

[mondatoo]

Glad this has had some response.


Does it make any difference to anyones opinions if i told you the OR was a Mr Tony Kendall?

[waits for the first person to say 'fold to the reraise']

Yes,snap fold

Edit:Was kidding coz it's tikay,ain't played with the legend myself but have heard he's a bit of a nit but i still shove and sigh wen he snap calls

[outragous76]

Glad this has had some response.


Does it make any difference to anyones opinions if i told you the OR was a Mr Tony Kendall?

[waits for the first person to say 'fold to the reraise']

Yes,snap fold pre

fyp

[paulhouk03]

3 bet you have a set

[LeedsRhodesy]

Fold Pre Tony only plays AA or KK

[Cf]

Fold Pre Tony only plays AA or KK

If we assume this is true then we should be calling pre 101% of the time.

[Sighmuns]

Fold Pre Tony only plays AA or KK

If we assume this is true then we should be calling pre 101% of the time.

indeed

[EvilPie]

Glad this has had some response.


Does it make any difference to anyones opinions if i told you the OR was a Mr Tony Kendall?

[waits for the first person to say 'fold to the reraise']

Makes no difference whatsoever. You've got a set and if you lose you shrug it off as a beat and move on.

If you call with 33, hit a set and pass you shouldn't be calling with 33. I know the board is a bit dodgy but you just can't be scared of being behind.

[Sighmuns]

Glad this has had some response.


Does it make any difference to anyones opinions if i told you the OR was a Mr Tony Kendall?

[waits for the first person to say 'fold to the reraise']

Makes no difference whatsoever. You've got a set and if you lose you shrug it off as a beat and move on.

If you call with 33, hit a set and pass you shouldn't be calling with 33. I know the board is a bit dodgy but you just can't be scared of being behind.

Well it shouldn't make too much difference to the debate, but I actually popped it to 8k and they both passed.

After self analysis (even before I started this thread) I decided that I think shoving would be optimal. The raise looks like a set, and you get the same result from shoving as you do from raising, with the bonus that it might well look more like a draw.

I wasn't scared for one second of being behind, and I remember being pretty convinced that Tikay had AK and that we were getting it in, esp in light of the way that I constantly get mistaken for a draw-betting maniac during live poker simply because i'm under 25.

My main mistake during the hand imo was poor stack/pot size analysis, which led to me not realising that raising would look stronger than shoving. Having said that, in that kind of tournament I feel there's a huge gulf in the strength of an all-in move in a live casino tourn than if this situation was online. If the same situation had occurred online I have no doubt I just get it in.

[StuartHopkin]

Where is the old man when you need him?

Do you know what he had?

[Royal Flush]

ebecause i'm under 25.

burn.

With Tikay i just peel as he is bad enough to CR without a plan and would make some silly fold when he would get it in on the turn if we flat