Title: Level? Post by: tikay on January 27, 2010, 12:13:25 PM ".....Advert for 'reliable workers' banned as discrimination by Jobcentre Plus
The boss of a recruitment firm said she was told she could not place an advert for ''reliable workers'' because it discriminated against unreliable people. Nicole Mamo, 48, wanted to post an advert for a £5.80-an-hour domestic cleaner on her local Jobcentre Plus website. The text of the advert ended by stating that any applicants for the post ''must be very reliable and hard-working''. But when Ms Mamo called the Jobcentre Plus in Thetford, Norfolk, the following day she was told that her advert would not be displayed instore. A Jobcentre Plus worker claimed that the word ''reliable'' meant they could be sued for discriminating against unreliable workers. Ms Mamo, a mother-of-two, from Boreham Wood, Herts., said the situation was ''ridiculous''. ''I placed the advert on the website and when I phoned up to check I was told it hadn't been displayed in the job centre itself," she said. ''She said 'oh we can't put that advert on the job points'. She said it was because they could have cases against them for discriminating against unreliable people. ''I laughed because I thought that was crazy. We supply the NHS with staff so it's very important for the patients that we have reliable workers. ''We find jobs for hundreds of temporary staff every week and are proud of our workers but our reputation is at stake if they aren't reliable. ''We are taking people off the dole and finding them jobs so not displaying the advert just seems absolutely ridiculous to me.'' Ms Mamo, who runs Devonwood recruitment agency and employs eight people, placed her advert on the Thetford Jobcentre Plus website on January 21. The job offer, which cost nothing to display, read: ''Domestic cleaner required immediately. A variety of different shifts available. Must be fluent in written and spoken English for health and safety reasons. Previous experience preferred. Training will be provided. ''Must be very reliable and hard-working.'' The following day she phoned Thetford Jobcentre Plus and was told by a woman named Carol that her advert could not be displayed. She claimed that the job centre could be sued by unreliable people if they placed the advert on their 'job points' but told Ms Mamo it will remain on their website......" Title: Re: Level? Post by: kinboshi on January 27, 2010, 12:19:58 PM Must be a level?
Similar nonsense to that story about parents being refused alcohol in Morrisons (I think) because their 17-year old daughter who was with them might drink it... Title: Re: Level? Post by: DaveShoelace on January 27, 2010, 12:21:55 PM lol, if thats true then whomever complained/disputed the original advert needs to be flogged.
I remember once a thicko mate of mine applied for a job as a graphic designer, despite: not having a relevant degree as stated in the advert not having a degree not having a portfolio of work never having designed a single piece of work in his life he basically just fancied being a designer all of a sudden They didnt give him an interview and he got his mum to ring up and complain and threatened to sue that he was being discriminated against. Not sure where Im going with that story, just basically affirming that there are some thick people out there Title: Re: Level? Post by: bolt pp on January 27, 2010, 12:22:32 PM wtf do they care anyway, what difference does it make if the word is there, is an unreliable applicant gonna see the word "reliable" and think:"damn that's me out, ffs why cant i catch a break, i come all the way down here to look for a 'useless fuck wanted' job and all theyve got are these reliable applicant jobs".
Title: Re: Level? Post by: tikay on January 27, 2010, 12:31:22 PM lol, if thats true then whomever complained/disputed the original advert needs to be flogged. I remember once a thicko mate of mine applied for a job as a graphic designer, despite: not having a relevant degree as stated in the advert not having a degree not having a portfolio of work never having designed a single piece of work in his life he basically just fancied being a designer all of a sudden They didnt give him an interview and he got his mum to ring up and complain and threatened to sue that he was being discriminated against. Not sure where Im going with that story, just basically affirming that there are some thick people out there Spot on Barry. Presumably an Advert for a typist which said "must be able to type" would be non-compliant, too. "That's not fair, I can't type"..... The story is being widely circulated by the Media, but I still can't bring myself to buy it. Presumably Carol, the lady at the Job Centre, cannot be sacked on the grounds of stupidity either, as that would discriminate against stupid people. Title: Re: Level? Post by: sovietsong on January 27, 2010, 12:35:12 PM Sigh bolt you beat me to it.
Title: Re: Level? Post by: thetank on January 27, 2010, 12:35:51 PM Just a case of lady in the job centre making a mistake because she got her wires crossed probably.
If you make a mistake at work, better make sure that it doesn't fit the 'political correctness gone mad' narrative or your booboo will be national news. Title: Re: Level? Post by: DaveShoelace on January 27, 2010, 12:43:35 PM It says a lot about the complainy/nanny/sue each other society we live in really, you might be totally thick but claims direct can make you loads of money and there isnt many forms to fill in.
I once worked on a project with a teacher at Nottingham college and he told me there was a big hoo-ha because someone complained about a Christmas Card with snowmen on, because snowmen were racist, because they were white. Rather than laugh off such a complaint, it by all accounts divided the staff room on the subject. Pretty certain this story was probably blown out of proportion in some way or other, just like the above Christmas card story probably didn't go down quite in the way I was told it. Title: Re: Level? Post by: bolt pp on January 27, 2010, 12:45:42 PM It says a lot about the complainy/nanny/sue each other society we live in really, you might be totally thick but claims direct can make you loads of money and there isnt many forms to fill in. I once worked on a project with a teacher at Nottingham college and he told me there was a big hoo-ha because someone complained about a Christmas Card with snowmen on, because snowmen were racist, because they were white. Rather than laugh off such a complaint, it by all accounts divided the staff room on the subject. Pretty certain this story was probably blown out of proportion in some way or other, just like the above Christmas card story probably didn't go down quite in the way I was told it. are you denying snowmen are white? Title: Re: Level? Post by: DaveShoelace on January 27, 2010, 12:47:42 PM It says a lot about the complainy/nanny/sue each other society we live in really, you might be totally thick but claims direct can make you loads of money and there isnt many forms to fill in. I once worked on a project with a teacher at Nottingham college and he told me there was a big hoo-ha because someone complained about a Christmas Card with snowmen on, because snowmen were racist, because they were white. Rather than laugh off such a complaint, it by all accounts divided the staff room on the subject. Pretty certain this story was probably blown out of proportion in some way or other, just like the above Christmas card story probably didn't go down quite in the way I was told it. are you denying snowmen are white? No, just saying that just because they are white doesn't mean they are racist, some of their best friends might be black etc. Title: Re: Level? Post by: kinboshi on January 27, 2010, 01:34:55 PM Tikay, can you post a source for your OP?
Title: Re: Level? Post by: Cf on January 27, 2010, 01:47:14 PM Spot the difference!
Original bullseye opening titles: YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8mjZwOZBkc Updated challenge bullseye opening titles: YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJceGu3FaAY Title: Re: Level? Post by: bolt pp on January 27, 2010, 01:55:07 PM got it, when they're on the coach in the first one if you look out the window there's some kkk chasing some black folk but it's gone in the second one, fucking PC gon mad!!! ;grr;
Title: Re: Level? Post by: Ironside on January 27, 2010, 01:57:11 PM Spot the difference! Original bullseye opening titles: YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8mjZwOZBkc Updated challenge bullseye opening titles: YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJceGu3FaAY dave spikey instead of jim bowen Title: Re: Level? Post by: AndrewT on January 27, 2010, 01:57:12 PM Tikay, can you post a source for your OP? Most of today's newspaper websites. Title: Re: Level? Post by: thetank on January 27, 2010, 01:58:05 PM I like how the token black fella in the new bullseye intro is also Chinese.
Title: Re: Level? Post by: bolt pp on January 27, 2010, 02:00:50 PM I like how the token black fella in the new bullseye intro is also Chinese. I think he's got his hand in that womens purse Title: Re: Level? Post by: StuartHopkin on January 27, 2010, 02:04:56 PM Heard a great one yesterday from someone who works for Mentor the Employment Law advisor and indemnity service from RBS.
Black bloke applies for job, uses black name, attatches photo of him looking all black and stuff. Sends in second application, using a white ladies name, attahes photo of lady looking all pasty and white. If Mr Black gets and interview and Miss White doesnt he starts a sex discrimination claim If Miss White gets a claim but not Mr Black doesnt he starts a race discrimination claim Anyone want to take a guess at how this plan worked out for him? Title: Re: Level? Post by: bolt pp on January 27, 2010, 02:06:06 PM Heard a great one yesterday from someone who works for Mentor the Employment Law advisor and indemnity service from RBS. Black bloke applies for job, uses black name, attatches photo of him looking all black and stuff. Sends in second application, using a white ladies name, attahes photo of lady looking all pasty and white. If Mr Black gets and interview and Miss White doesnt he starts a sex discrimination claim If Miss White gets a claim but not Mr Black doesnt he starts a race discrimination claim Anyone want to take a guess at how this plan worked out for him? they gave the job to a seperate black lady? Title: Re: Level? Post by: Colchester Kev on January 27, 2010, 02:10:08 PM They invited them both in for interview ?
Title: Re: Level? Post by: thetank on January 27, 2010, 02:10:23 PM He got both interviews scheduled for the same day and so paid Lenny Henry to dress up in drag to act as the white lady.
Title: Re: Level? Post by: Ironside on January 27, 2010, 02:11:46 PM Heard a great one yesterday from someone who works for Mentor the Employment Law advisor and indemnity service from RBS. Black bloke applies for job, uses black name, attatches photo of him looking all black and stuff. Sends in second application, using a white ladies name, attahes photo of lady looking all pasty and white. If Mr Black gets and interview and Miss White doesnt he starts a sex discrimination claim If Miss White gets a claim but not Mr Black doesnt he starts a race discrimination claim Anyone want to take a guess at how this plan worked out for him? they sued him for lying on his applications Title: Re: Level? Post by: bolt pp on January 27, 2010, 02:17:46 PM He got both interviews scheduled for the same day and so paid Lenny Henry to dress up in drag to act as the white lady. lenny henry has enough problems acting like a black man Title: Re: Level? Post by: tikay on January 27, 2010, 03:32:41 PM Tikay, can you post a source for your OP? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/8483171.stm http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7079231/Advert-for-reliable-workers-banned-as-discrimination-by-Jobcentre-Plus.html http://news.globaltv.com/money/Reliable+workers+deemed+discriminatory+centre/2486946/story.html It was on CNN News last night, too, and on CBS News as the "and finally" piece. Title: Re: Level? Post by: kinboshi on January 27, 2010, 03:42:37 PM Tikay, can you post a source for your OP? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/8483171.stm http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7079231/Advert-for-reliable-workers-banned-as-discrimination-by-Jobcentre-Plus.html http://news.globaltv.com/money/Reliable+workers+deemed+discriminatory+centre/2486946/story.html It was on CNN News last night, too, and on CBS News as the "and finally" piece. Thank you. It's just better for those reading it to assess the accuracy and bias in a piece if they know where it came from. It's also the right thing to do to credit a source if you're pasting a significant chunk of it on another site. Title: Re: Level? Post by: StuartHopkin on January 27, 2010, 03:43:33 PM Nope
He has now had 73 cases settled out of court and they are struggling to keep track of him because they always involve a non-disclosure agreement! At a guess absolute 5k minimum for each one? Oh Hi Der £365,000 for being a sea nut Title: Re: Level? Post by: tikay on January 27, 2010, 03:47:25 PM Tikay, can you post a source for your OP? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/8483171.stm http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7079231/Advert-for-reliable-workers-banned-as-discrimination-by-Jobcentre-Plus.html http://news.globaltv.com/money/Reliable+workers+deemed+discriminatory+centre/2486946/story.html It was on CNN News last night, too, and on CBS News as the "and finally" piece. Thank you. It's just better for those reading it to assess the accuracy and bias in a piece if they know where it came from. It's also the right thing to do to credit a source if you're pasting a significant chunk of it on another site. You are correct - I should have quoted the Daily Telegraph as my source. I thought about it for hours, & whilst not much tilts me up, this news did, & on so many levels. Title: Re: Level? Post by: kinboshi on January 27, 2010, 05:05:16 PM I agree. Anti-discrimination laws are put in place to protect groups of people from being singled out and their prospects of getting work restricted just because of where they were born, the colour of their skin, their sex or sexuality, etc.
There isn't a group of people who are discriminated against because they are unreliable. That's an individual's choice. The worst thing is that the onus of 'proof' is placed on the employer, and if they don't employ a particular person and are accused of discriminating against them it seems that the employer must then show that they weren't. It's similar to the UK libel laws which are also completely arse about face. Title: Re: Level? Post by: mondatoo on January 27, 2010, 05:45:45 PM Nope He has now had 73 cases settled out of court and they are struggling to keep track of him because they always involve a non-disclosure agreement! At a guess absolute 5k minimum for each one? Oh Hi Der £365,000 for being a sea nut Don't no why as I don't even get it but PMSL at this lol Title: Re: Level? Post by: Ironside on January 27, 2010, 05:58:48 PM Nope He has now had 73 cases settled out of court and they are struggling to keep track of him because they always involve a non-disclosure agreement! At a guess absolute 5k minimum for each one? Oh Hi Der £365,000 for being a sea nut Don't no why as I don't even get it but PMSL at this lol say it as it sounds sea as in c, then nut as in the often missspelt word to get round swear filters |