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Villian has just moved to table. First hand folded. This is the second hand he has played:

Full Tilt Poker Game #17989755832: $48,000 Guarantee (135710683), Table 63 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:29:06 ET - 2010/01/28
Seat 1: dw2k6 (2,050)
Seat 2: daisyxoxo (8,175)
Seat 3: 9gr8vity1 (14,496)
Seat 4: Dirtydeuce162 (2,459)
Seat 5: edgess (3,080)
Seat 6: SavePluto9 (8,272)
Seat 7: GiveMeDollars (1,740)
Seat 8: DeadlyDonkey (5,135)
Seat 9: George2Loose (10,520)
DeadlyDonkey posts the small blind of 50
George2Loose posts the big blind of 100
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [Qs Ah]
dw2k6 folds
daisyxoxo folds
9gr8vity1 raises to 200
Dirtydeuce162 folds
edgess folds
DeadlyDonkey: man gr8vity
SavePluto9 folds
GiveMeDollars folds
DeadlyDonkey: your stats are nuts
DeadlyDonkey folds
George2Loose calls 100
*** FLOP *** [2s 3s Qh]
George2Loose checks
9gr8vity1: sio
9gr8vity1 has 15 seconds left to act
9gr8vity1 bets 10,319
George2Loose has 15 seconds left to act

To slowroll or not slowroll that is the question?

call

yeh snap pls and fade vs like k10ss

what's the question?

How often am I losing here? Like never?

snap his arm off..

if hes shoving hands that beat AQ here then he is a donkeyyyyyyyyyy

and if he's shoving worse he plays goot?

Judging from the chat comments he's a maniac.

Think I'd still go for the slowroll instead of the snap call though.

I WTF called

He had Q2 blue

Ignore result, call next time too

Ignore result?

Laughing fit to bust here.

Raise pre

n=1

Sometimes you're going to get "owned by the top of their range"
Your call was still very correct

I meant that I obv hit an ace

semantics

On this board I would say result is you stacked off behind (but correctly!)

The hitting ace is irrelevant to the hand analysis part of things. This isn't the hand story board

When I said ignore result, I meant don't let that he had two pair this time stop you stacking off in this spot in the future.

I never realised how easy it was to level you tank :D

I think its worth making these types of plays now and again when there is a flush draw out there, I do it sometimes and you get called very often.

Facing the bet, you'd still call vs random tho right?

Not necessarily, as I say I do this regularly so am wise to it, the worst he probably has is a flush draw and there is a good chance your beaten. Always a better spot IMO..........and you have 100 bbs so there's no rush.

In reality it probably just depends on my mood at the time, size of comp and how seriously I'm taking it as to whether I call or not. If you think think the guy has AA/KK/AQ he will call a lot of the time because of the draw, shipping in this spot isn't a terrible strategy.

I dont think shoving 10k into 0.5k can be anything other than a terrible strategy.

I totally understand why you would say that. If there is a flush draw out there, try it the odd time, see what happens, I promise you will get called often. Just look at all the responses there have been on here about instacalling. I think live its less likely to work because people fold better live, but online they call very light. I know its not conventional thinking, but please don't totally dismiss the idea. The only reason I'm saying it is I know from experience it works.

There's a ton of hero's out there these days...........

The overbet isn't a bad strategy sometimes in general Woodsey, I just think that this is a bad spot for it from opponents POV here as the only hand that will call you that you also beat is AQ. (The big pairs having 3-bet pre)

Even AQ is going to 3-bet opponent pre half the time. He really was very fortunate to get a call here.

Yeah, I agree there is much better spots to do it, probably the CR all in on the flop being the best scenario.

Do you ever win at poker?

I mean im sorry, maybe im the super fish here and not on your level, but even if the guy turns his hand face up and im shown  Ks Ts or similar im still folding. I have put 2bb into the pot, 1 of which was unwillingly. I have one pair and one spade blocker. Do i want to put in another 100 big blinds in this spot. I fold here 99% of the time UNLESS the guy is some crazy idiot who is shoving like this every hand or sumink.. (which may be the case IDK).
Just everyone seems to think this is a snap? I have seen people ridic overbet jam with aa and kk in similar spots because they are scared to play postflop etc. If were snapping, why are we snapping? cos we think he has a total air ball? or because we think we have him dominated most of the time? i mean, we need to see kq, jq and 67ss all the time for this to be the correct call right?
The guy is obv a retard for this kind of jam, so if he is doing this often, then by all means call... but in general i dont see snapping him off here being profitable..

fold, probs in equity flip/crushed a majority, early, super deep, "better spots".

Wow someone else has sense

yeh unless u have a read that he does this every hand or something he will never have air here, its almost always AA/KK/22/33/a flush draw or even... Q2s lol. think we have too many blinds to be putting in here with tptk, in what is pretty much a flip or 40/60 shot readless.

If this guys doens't do this with kq,qj and q10, I would be very surprised.

This, deffo flipping vs range at best, 2bb invested, 100 back.. foldddddddddd

p.s mbn to get there

You'd be surprised how often you get called here. Your obviously good enough to fold but many wouldn't........

A winning player would have to be new to full tilt and pretty new to the table for me to pay off if I'm being second level levelled here.   

Would always call versus randoms as a random with uber stack isn't really a random random. He's much more likely to be uber loose donk than normal.

Longy talks about TP0K which is cool. I'd like to add that what defo makes this a call in a donk and go is that you see as much J2 and T3 as you do Q2 here. There's a big pile of equity being left in the middle if you fold.

If the blind levels were longer then the argument for a skill fold would be stronger. However, our 100 bb stack is going to be a 50 bb stack is going to be a 25 bb stack as those levels rise. It will happen soon and before a lot of the oppurtunities to dance and busk and outmanuevour our opponents come about.

i think this is really unlikely to be the case that he shows up with J2 T3 etc. people who sometimes play with this seemingly random all in strategy do actually have a logic behind doing what they are doing....they have either hit the flop really hard (as in Q2s) or they have the overpair to the board, and they shove with the intention of getting a call from a top pair hand which their opponent is unable to fold. sometimes you will see the logic of a flush draw...."i can hit a flush". this isn't a rebuy where many players will be consta moving in with any piece just to try and get chips.

as for leaving equity on the table, watch him for a while and if he really is monkeying around every hand then it should be possible to make a call like this soon enough and be much more confident about the read.