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Should a dealer ever call for the clock? Reading the DTD update thread I was surprised to see this suggested - it's similar to a dealer announcing possible winning hands in terms of being an unacceptable external influence IMHO.

I have less of an issue with other players on the table calling the clock (given a reasonable period has elapsed) - it's their cash on the line and the blinds are increasing etc. etc. Thinking about it, I'd even have less of an issue with a player from another table calling for the clock than the dealer.

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I've not seen the post on the update thread, but agree with you 100%. I can't see any circumstances where it would be acceptable for the dealer to call the clock.

think it's fine imo.

too many people take too long.

would you think it was fine if you were sitting there with the nuts, dealer calls the clock on someone dwelling up, and they fold?

Call the clock on them then.

Unless you have a job as a dealer obv, in that case it wouldn't be appropriate for a whole bunch of obvious reasons.

Every table should have a second member of staff who is holding a stopwatch which they constantly reset to 10 seconds when it's someone's turn. Every player gets 1 extra 20 second extension to use, which is given back every time the blinds go up.

That'd suit me :)

As for OP. No, dealer shouldn't call clock. Players have every right to though and I don't see why people kick up such a fuss when it's done. Think the longest I ever took was about 2 minutes and that was for a massive pot. I'm usually happy to leave people to it but I'd rather they got a move on.

that would be fine with me.

If they fold after a clock they're probably folding anyway. (the longer ppl take the more likely they are to fold).

Bothers me much more when some knobend who's not in the hand think's it's his place to call the clock after a minute and ten seconds.

By the same token Clare, I wouldn't tip the dealer if I was sitting their sweating my tits off with an air ball and they folded, but nice wording of the question.

Although i agree dealers cant and shouldnt call a clock on players, i do think that dealers should be more in contol of the action and prompt a player for a decision if he is taking too long. Some players dont realise just how long they take so a little word from the dealer can help things along

Last time I took as long as 2 minutes on a desicion was outside a registry office.

Dealer probably has the most rational understanding, given the situation, pot etc (let's just call them factors - tank x) of what is a rational amount of time.

I'm not entirely keen on it when a player not in the pot calls the clock if it's on a hand im in. The player making the decision is unlikely to call it on himself and the other player in the hand may want to call it but may not want to say anything so as not to give anything off.

Show love for this post please people :D

Imagine if Sir Alex Ferguson was in charge of clock decsions

the point is that the dealer shouldn't be influencing decisions in any way. Yes someone else not in the hand calling the clock after a short period of time can be galling, especially if they are not under immediate threat from the blinds, but we've all seen players who agonise over decisions for longer than is acceptable over and over again. Had some guy in a 20 minute crapshoot recently take over 5 minutes three times (in fact he said afterwards it was a deliberate tactic so he coud get an idea of his opponent's strength by seeing if they called a clock on him) , in which case I think it's totally within the right of any player at the table to call a clock. But never the dealer.

Only 2 mins, bit of a hasty decision IMO ;)

so what if every player on a table  is happy to watch the clock run down and they just sit there for 1/2 hour? surely you reach a point where the dealer needs to at least get the tds attention

Yes they should.  Ppl who dwell all the time are tossers.  unf they don't normally have the capacity to call time on a player.  

I think dealers and floor staff should certainly talk to players that are doing this too much, but not when a hand is in progress.

This, too many tossers who constantly dwell without any real reason. If a player calls the clock they are often labelled the bad guy, its a good idea if the dealer can do it for people who constantly take the piss.

If a player is constantly ruining the flow of the game , I agree the dealer should make the TD aware of it but in no circumstances should he be allowed to call the clock.

Ask jonathan butters imo

It tilts me so much idoits who spend at least a minute on every decision.

Playing at DTD once, this dutch guy took 1-2 mins every time and I only saw him play 2 hands in 3 hours.

I finally called the clock on him after UTG thinks for an age and pushes all in, MP thinks for an age and then pushes all in, dutch guy then starts umming!

What the hell are you all talking about?

Of course the dealer can call a clock. The dealer should normally call the clock before any player gets a chance to.

Calling a clock doesnt influence a decision at all.

People know within 5 seconds what they will do.

20 second clock on everyhand ftw.

This ...and calling clock is great I do it all the time

sighhh missread on the thread title and thought Longines had got blonde and gaydar mixed up :D

Personally, as a dealer, I would never call a clock. Even if I am shit bored of waiting for someone, its their money and tournament on the line. If they were taking a stupid amount of time, I might try and push a descision, saying maybe 'its x amount to call' or 'actions on you'.

Its not my place to be calling clocks, if it was up to me, people would get 10 seconds to act, however thus is life.

Im more than happy, if a player doesnt want to be obvious with his call, to take a signal or mouthing the word, but I wouldnt ever do it myself.

Untill about a year ago I used to tank so much over decisions when I knew I was folding but just wanted to save face. loltablerespectaments.. Since then I have stopped and instantly make decisions and try and get the game to flow. Basically if your any good at poker you should know what to do when you bet. bet/call, bet/fold etc etc, obviously there are situations which will make this different, overbet etc but in general I don't think anyone should really take more than a couple of minutes making a decision, if the dealer on my table called a clock on someone I would 100% get behind him.

On the whole saving face thing. People who tank for a couple of minutes to "save face", eg they raise then get shoved on. Tanking like this doesn't save face. It just shows you made a bet without knowing what you were going to do afterwards. In other words, it makes you look bad.

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I totally agree with this.

On the Notts Gala Tour final table bubble Sam Trickett was insta clocking one particular guy every time the action got to him.

I asked him why at the break and he said that the guy had told him it was a deliberate tactic he used on bubbles.

I think Sam may have been the wrong person to confess this little tactic to.

I'm agreeing with you that you should know what you're doing before it's your turn in a lot of cases. eg, folds to button who raises. short stack big blind goes all in and button then tanks for 2 minutes before folding his T2o thinking he's saving face by having a tough decision and making a big laydown. They don't achieve this, they just look bad.

ah ok, thought you had read half my post. agreed then. they really do piss me off, and they think they are sweating you when really they are just "saving face"

I almost agree, I agree it almost never looks like they've got to think really hard about the tough decision to fold.

But I think the majority of time it doesn't look like they made a bet without thinking what they were going to do afterwards  - I think nearly all the time it looks like they're dwelling up because they think that dwelling up before folding will save them face.

Not that it makes a difference as it still ends up with the other players thinking approximately the same thing about the player.

I have no problem with the dealer calling the clock if the rules are clearly stated pre tournament, after a set amount of time has passed, say 2 min if you like, after 2 min the dealer should announce that he will call the clock in xx seconds/minutes.

As long as these rules are know then the players know what to expect.