blonde poker forum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFw1EW468rk&feature=channel


I'd like peoples views on two things.

1) DN's method of announcing his raise and putting the raise in

and

2) how the floor was called over and the situation handled.

Incident happens about 3 minutes 20 into the clip.


Ta.

There's a thread over on 2p2 about it, in MTTc, simply titled "Deeb?". I'd check that out, loads of views including both DN and SFD.

lol, just watched this myself and was tempted to post it but decided I do too many ruling threads lol

1) String bet. But I'd never actually call anyone up on this in this instance.

2) Hello Mr Negraneu, of course we'll rule in your favour.

1) Love it, im going to say the weirdest things at DTD tonight. "Umberella Extendicular"

2) Fine, it was obv he intended to raise.

3) I rarely follow the celeb poker as it bores me to dears, but yes I did want to punch Deeb in the face before the video even started.

Oh and also. What DN said to the floor was different to what he said in the hand. Can't remember it exactly but when I watched it I thought what he said to the floor sounded much more obviously a raise than what he said in the hand.

Deeb was being a tit

1. String bet.

2. Meh wrong ruling imo, I am not sure how much influence it being DN had but it probably had some.

ah cheers couldnt find it under such a clever title  ;ashamed; will take a peek. the second part of my question is one of the things about the situation that tilts me the most though.


to clarify, it's obviously a string raise with how he said it and how the chips go in, with both hands.


What tilts me is his 'oh you want a floor against me? yeh sure call one away, ill shout loud for you to get one and then be like look who I am mr floor'.


When the floor is called the IMPARTIAL dealer should be explaining what happened, not DN re-saying a slightly different thing. It's such favoritism and such a blatant disregard for how things should proceed.

Agree but prob happened because incompetent dealer doesn't have a clue whats going on and allows player to relate their version.

i thought the dweeby kid was right to question it...& i got the distinct impression that the floorman was never ever, like just never, gonna rule against DANIEL NEGRANEAU

yup literally nothing went into the floors ears, he just saw DN was saying something and was like yes DN you are so right, you're like totally awesome.


and deeb is so dweeby rotflmfao


fking chubby little waffle crushing ledge though!

Yeah, definitely a string bet, but Deeb is an arse for calling the floor because it was obvious what Negreanu intended to do so just let it fly...

This


me too, but I still think its probably correct

 lol +1

sigh. Dn says you can ' say anything' to mean raise.  So anything means fold?  or call or whatever you want, even though there are meant to be specific rules and money is being wagered on the outcomes. Is the dealer really not there to enforce a level playing field? has DN really played before?



If I play a pot with him i'ma angle shoot the fk out of him, see if he calls the floor rotflmfao

if this is a random person who you dont know to be an upstanding member of the tv poker community would you be so happy for it to stand and to just assume he meant to raise in good faith? it's not like its a 6 figure payout for first or anything.....

Andy

If you ever see me doing a dance at the table or pointing to my left here. This is a binding raise announcement

OMG if you angle shoot me by doing this.



I WILL LAUGH SO HARD AND OPEN MUCK FOR YOU


edit I will also say I call your  bluff and fold, because I am intending you to think that I am thinking your are bluffing when I actually know that you are pretending to be bluffing and so I cant call.

but even though I said call as you can say anything you want to mean anything you want a floor will rule it as a fold. thank you for reading this messed up garbage im on life tilt from rewatching this. :(

too many angle shooters in live poker

other week blinds were at 1000/2000
i am sat with 2 piles of 500s and 3 piles of 1000 and a pile of 5000 chips

i also have my mouth full i throw in a 5000 chip in cutoff and sb claims its just a call
everyone else at table says no it was a raise but TD rules with SB

i just binned my cards there and then not intrested it people pulling strokes

wtf? you're complaining about a td making a 100% correct decision? of course it's a call

if you can't be arsed to finish eating and want to make it 5k then put in 5x1k

every player apart from the SB said it was a raise including the BB

iit was an obvious raise if i was going to call i would have put in 2 of the 40 odd 1000 i had

um, lol ironside. most clear cut call in poker ever :)

but they were wrong. you know full well that a single chip is a call, you're not a beginner

as a neutral looking at that hand your throwing in a 5k chip and then claiming it as a raise after the sb claims it as a call looks like an angleshoot

wp the td

in your rules maybe

but intention is the point

the intetion was clear

the rules says its a call

but the clear intetion to everyone at the table (including the sb who was just angle shooting) was it was a raise

gtfo. there's not even a discussion here. you were wrong. you know it, td knows it, we all know it. simple

and to accuse the sb of angleshooting is so, so wrong

so i should either slow the game down or spit my food over the table?

or what happens if i was a mute?

lol at ppl taking obv brag post seriously

Nooooooo. The intention is a call.

One oversized chip = call. Basic rule.

If I'm in your spot and want to raise to 5000 I will usually just throw in the 5000 chip rather than my low denom chips. Just because I had change and didn't use it doesn't change my intention.

I was just thinking as I made my last post. Surely this is a level?

100k chips and not cashing is common in my play

Ironside, what you did it most definitely a call. It's not our place to try and judge your intentions because too often people try and manipulate situations to their own benefit. If you throw in a single chip without an announcement it is a call.

With DN and Deeb, I am a little more twisted in my opinion of it. I think the fact that he has the chips ready and in his hands and then comes out and puts down one set and then the other in one, albeit convoluted, movement is suggesting of the fact (coupled with his comment) that he is going to raise. That said, I am not particularly fond of how it was performed. I think if the dealer explains what happens, rather than allowing a biased party to do so, it is made to stand as a call.

ok so now your given your views on the single chips thrown

rule on this one

player is sat back a little from table as there isnt enough room for them to sit under the table (ie in my case wheelchair wont get under table)

blinds are 100/200 he picks up 3 chips 2x100 and 1x500 he cant place them acrross the betting line as he cant reach it so places them infrom of his stack and flicks them in forward motion with only the 2x100 chips crossing line/ or he throws them in a forward motion and only the 2x100 crosses the line

the rules state this is a call but the intetion is clear that its a raise. surely now you go with intention (not that local casinos do)

if you have a problem putting chips over the line then announce your action. you may have to stop eating/drinking for 5 seconds every now and again but that's a sacrifice you should make

again what happens if you are a mute?

and why should you be put at a disavantage by HAVING to announce your bets because the design of the tables is flawed when joe bloggs doesnt have to open his mouth and possibly give off a tell

There's a mute that plays at our casino actually and he makes eye contact with the dealer before tossing the chips across the line. There's an element of common sense involved with these things, I agree, and as such we aren't out to penalize someone who doesn't throw his chips with enough force. That's entirely different to someone to chucking in a large, single denomination chip into the middle.

I'm happy to take that as a raise to 700. Clear forward motion of chips and intent to bet 700. Someone claiming it's only 200 here is simply angle shooting.

Also, betting lines suck. Had a few incidents of what you describe at Alea in Leeds. And every time an angleshooter tries claiming the chip that fell behind the line doesn't count they've been told by the floor to fo.

so now we have dealers having to read intetion or eye contact

so basically rule should include common sense

so back to OP and DN it was common sense what he was trying to do

dealer should of told deeb to stop angle shooting the intention was clear even if the vocals werent

normally I don't think you should and would be happy for that to go as a raise but as you've already told us about your angleshooting with the oversized chip I'm now suspicious of everything you do  ;)

Praz Bansi is a perfect example of how to do anything. Looks at the dealer and waits for eye contact, states his intention clearly and then performs the action. Never had a single issue with the man. If everyone did it like that, life would be easier for everyone.

String betting is another one where I think people try to angle shoot too often. I had another incident at Alea the other week where I went to bet £8.50. As I had no £5 chips this meant I had to use 9 chips in total. I picked them all up, moved my hand across the line, and the chip at the bottom slipped from my fingers. I then placed the rest of the chips in the pot, perhaps half a second later.

Cue instant call of string bet from villain in the hand. Dealer agreed with me that it's fine, but he kept arguing and a couple of other players piped in saying it's a string bet too. Get the floor over and straight away his decision is "not a string bet, stop angle shooting."

Yes, this might seem contary to what I said earlier about the DN hand but I actually think the current string betting rules are too strict, and too many people try to angle shoot string bets. I do think however given the rules as currently written DNs phrasing of "i'm going to pound you back" and 2 completely seperate hand movements where the 2nd could easily not have occured, was sufficiently ambiguous enough for a TD to rule a call.

as deeb points out, had dn said and done exactly the same except he hadn't put the second lot of chips over the line there is surely no way in the world that the td rules it as a raise. that's enough for me to make it a call, the verbal is never clear enough to be considered a raise

"Umberella Extendicular"

LOL.

oh and Deeb is def right.

C'mon guys, Ironside's mouth was full!

lol@Iron. How long u been playing poker for?!?!?!?!?!

the next time i play will more than likely be the first time

Well most places dont use bet lines, forward motion ftw.

The 5k chip is not even close to a call, if you caught they dealers eye and like pointed up or something then threw it in fair enough.

wowwwwwwwwwwwww i think thts a bad ruling. such an ez angle shot.

fry live pokrt

edit: just read past post#1 of the thread, iron u are a clown. unless tryna level, in which case, u went on for too long.

gg your prep for the tourn jones. oh and Shaun "fkin" Deeb

this, iron wtf!!!! LOL