Fatty Deeb vs DN blind on blind spot

[Ironside]

ok so now your given your views on the single chips thrown

rule on this one

player is sat back a little from table as there isnt enough room for them to sit under the table (ie in my case wheelchair wont get under table)

blinds are 100/200 he picks up 3 chips 2x100 and 1x500 he cant place them acrross the betting line as he cant reach it so places them infrom of his stack and flicks them in forward motion with only the 2x100 chips crossing line/ or he throws them in a forward motion and only the 2x100 crosses the line

the rules state this is a call but the intetion is clear that its a raise. surely now you go with intention (not that local casinos do)

[gatso]

if you have a problem putting chips over the line then announce your action. you may have to stop eating/drinking for 5 seconds every now and again but that's a sacrifice you should make

[Ironside]

if you have a problem putting chips over the line then announce your action. you may have to stop eating/drinking for 5 seconds every now and again but that's a sacrifice you should make

again what happens if you are a mute?

[Ironside]

if you have a problem putting chips over the line then announce your action. you may have to stop eating/drinking for 5 seconds every now and again but that's a sacrifice you should make

and why should you be put at a disavantage by HAVING to announce your bets because the design of the tables is flawed when joe bloggs doesnt have to open his mouth and possibly give off a tell

[relaedgc]

There's a mute that plays at our casino actually and he makes eye contact with the dealer before tossing the chips across the line. There's an element of common sense involved with these things, I agree, and as such we aren't out to penalize someone who doesn't throw his chips with enough force. That's entirely different to someone to chucking in a large, single denomination chip into the middle.

[Cf]

ok so now your given your views on the single chips thrown

rule on this one

player is sat back a little from table as there isnt enough room for them to sit under the table (ie in my case wheelchair wont get under table)

blinds are 100/200 he picks up 3 chips 2x100 and 1x500 he cant place them acrross the betting line as he cant reach it so places them infrom of his stack and flicks them in forward motion with only the 2x100 chips crossing line/ or he throws them in a forward motion and only the 2x100 crosses the line

the rules state this is a call but the intetion is clear that its a raise. surely now you go with intention (not that local casinos do)

I'm happy to take that as a raise to 700. Clear forward motion of chips and intent to bet 700. Someone claiming it's only 200 here is simply angle shooting.

Also, betting lines suck. Had a few incidents of what you describe at Alea in Leeds. And every time an angleshooter tries claiming the chip that fell behind the line doesn't count they've been told by the floor to fo.

[Ironside]

so now we have dealers having to read intetion or eye contact

so basically rule should include common sense

so back to OP and DN it was common sense what he was trying to do

dealer should of told deeb to stop angle shooting the intention was clear even if the vocals werent

[gatso]

if you have a problem putting chips over the line then announce your action. you may have to stop eating/drinking for 5 seconds every now and again but that's a sacrifice you should make

and why should you be put at a disavantage by HAVING to announce your bets because the design of the tables is flawed when joe bloggs doesnt have to open his mouth and possibly give off a tell

normally I don't think you should and would be happy for that to go as a raise but as you've already told us about your angleshooting with the oversized chip I'm now suspicious of everything you do  

[relaedgc]

Praz Bansi is a perfect example of how to do anything. Looks at the dealer and waits for eye contact, states his intention clearly and then performs the action. Never had a single issue with the man. If everyone did it like that, life would be easier for everyone.

[Cf]

String betting is another one where I think people try to angle shoot too often. I had another incident at Alea the other week where I went to bet £8.50. As I had no £5 chips this meant I had to use 9 chips in total. I picked them all up, moved my hand across the line, and the chip at the bottom slipped from my fingers. I then placed the rest of the chips in the pot, perhaps half a second later.

Cue instant call of string bet from villain in the hand. Dealer agreed with me that it's fine, but he kept arguing and a couple of other players piped in saying it's a string bet too. Get the floor over and straight away his decision is "not a string bet, stop angle shooting."

Yes, this might seem contary to what I said earlier about the DN hand but I actually think the current string betting rules are too strict, and too many people try to angle shoot string bets. I do think however given the rules as currently written DNs phrasing of "i'm going to pound you back" and 2 completely seperate hand movements where the 2nd could easily not have occured, was sufficiently ambiguous enough for a TD to rule a call.

[gatso]

as deeb points out, had dn said and done exactly the same except he hadn't put the second lot of chips over the line there is surely no way in the world that the td rules it as a raise. that's enough for me to make it a call, the verbal is never clear enough to be considered a raise

[GreekStein]

"Umberella Extendicular"

LOL.

oh and Deeb is def right.

[scotty2hatty]

C'mon guys, Ironside's mouth was full!

[George2Loose]

lol@Iron. How long u been playing poker for?!?!?!?!?!

[Ironside]

lol@Iron. How long u been playing poker for?!?!?!?!?!

the next time i play will more than likely be the first time