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to set the scene, it's near the end of day 2, there are 13 left and we are playing our last 7 hands. This is hand 2 i think but its important to note this is the last button villain in seat 1 will play today.

hero is in seat 9 and we remain in these seats (no redraw) for day 3. villain is dean lyall (deanosupremo online) who has only been on my table ~45mins and been very aggro in pots but only 3bet me once (the first time i opened with him on the table iirc) which i called and led into him on KQJ which he tank folded. i'd also heard some stories from others throughout the tournament about how he'd been playing every pot very aggressively including 5betting Kellet with 58o and showing when both were super deep at the end of a level as a break was starting.

blinds are 6k/12k w/1k and hero is playing ~900k, villain has ~800k. we are the 2 big stacks on this table and 2 of the biggest in the tourney.

folds to hero on CO i have  Ad Qd and open for a standard 28k
villain 3bets to 53k (his standard 3bet size fwiw)
folds to hero .....?

hero has an aggro image but no showdowns and villain has only played that one pot vs me as previously mentioned.

Would we consider 4bet/folding?

Call and play it down the streets.  Or you think OOP against him thats tricky?

I had a similar spot deep in an online comp recently with exactly the same hole cards.

Speaking from that experience it's a fold.

Aggro levels etc. seemed similar to this situation and I flatted hoping that I'd be under repped.

It sure worked out well.

The problem was being oop. Just fold and try to convince yourself that it's a meta fold to set him up for a 4 bet later

given the history im more inclined to 4 bet fold

4 bet and then 6 bet jam

Given the 58o Kellet hand this seems like a good plan. Don't know if I'd have the conkers to do it myself though tbh.

Do we think he will give us a chance to 6 bet jam or is he more likely to get there first with his 5 bet if he actually has a hand that we beat?

If he has a monster surely he'll raise to induce?

Bit of a shitty spot. You can easily level yourself in to getting this wrong.

4b fold is obv terrabad if he is the kinda guy to 5b 58o...

4b to just call a 5b jam works as well.

+1 :)

can we not just call his little 3 bet and look to get all in on an A,Q or 2 blue flop? folding such a good hand for such a little amount and 4 bet folding an Ace and a same colour Queen seem not good to me. if we don't hit the flop and fold then so what? we still has a big stack

seems fairly spew given that we don't have much personal history here (ie. he has 3bet me once and he probably had ~10 other opportunities to do so since then)

just because he has 5bet Kellet doesn't mean he will be 5bet bluffing me. i have no idea what the dynamics of that 58o hand were and similarly he has no idea what my 4bets mean. having said that, he is obv capable of 5b bluffing and the situation (aggro CO vs aggro BTN near the end of the day) is set up for it.

so we have the shitty situation of playing a hand OOP to an aggro opp or the variance of getting it in here for the world near the final table bubble....

I was kinda joking really and seeing as im a bit of a nit I would flat his 3 bet and play it down the streets.

Reasons for this, mainly pot control OOP, hand is too big to fold.  Oppo has shown he is willing to shut down hands previously and with it being close to end of day I dont want to play a massive pot with AQ.

call 3bet with intention of playing hand for obv value when hits and making decent moves on nice boards when we miss

Flatting is fine obv

If this guy is a good player he will be 3betting you light (espesh on the button) knowing that this is near the final table bubble and people will be scared to go out. My guess is he is trying to take control of the table. I think if you 4bet him here he is most likely to fold as he also knows how close it is to the final table. If he does infact 5bet you here I still don't think I'm finding a fold. How about making a large 4bet to say to him "I'm not folding".

The other option is call pre, play AQ sooted out of position.. to an aggressive player, who is most likely to own us all day long, unless of course we flop big. We could call pre and plan to check-raise alot of flops as bluffs. Either way I think probably a HUGE 4bet is the best option. Theres also the passive option of letting him run over the table and fold AQ pre, "No need to get involved with the other big stack and all that" But I don't think I'm letting him do this stick it in his eye :)

don't understand this mate, seems tez?

is kellet actually banned from blonde? i know most here hate the guy but would be good to have his thoughts since he 4bet folded TT to the guy in a very similar spot 2 hours before this.

Yeah I hate this move.

If our bet size says 'I'm not folding' then what do we put his range at when he shoves?

Can AQ beat it? I doubt it so we end up folding.

He then shows us 58o and tells us we showed how scared we were with our obvious 'I'm not folding' bet.

4bet get it in/ call and play the streets.

dont ever 4bet fold here

Think about it a bit more deeply. By you making a large 4bet at this stage in the tournament you are saying to him "don't 3bet me now unless you wanna get it in son".
Lets say you 4-bet to 120k he can 5bet you light so easily now, this is fine aslong as you are 6-bet shoving.
But if you want to end the hand now (pre) and not get it in with AQ make a big 4-bet and he has to fold all marginals (weak holdings) and can only shove when he has it. To be honest I'm not happy to play for stacks with AQ at this stage. But obv it would be sick and pretty tez to have to fold after making a huge 4-bet, but I don't see how he can ever shove unless he does have it. The most likely case is he folds and leaves you alone for a few orbits. The other option being call pre and get creative, which could end up turning into a disaster!

Ps - I'm going to ask my Swedish mate what he thinks of this hand. Its a pretty interesting one and I think its a really tough spot. I'll post what he says!

I play the hand like Toby suggested. Call and play post flop.

This is true just said same in my previous quote :) - Passive play ftw then I guess! Sighhhh!

Deffo call and play the streets. Had a similar spot with tens against him before I blew up.

ah seems a good idea

Put 25k in the pot and see what 3 cards come out. Soul read thereafter.


I think call > fold > 4bet (without a plan) > 4bet fold > 4 bet (to get it in).



edit i'd also be kinda interested in asking why you lead into the pfr with no history in your first 3 bet pot on KQJ or whatever you said it was, what did you have and why?

lol yh i wouldn't do this but he must of had a reason, the spots are very similar so his thoughts would of been interesting i would of thought. maybe not on this forum tho eeeeek

i was shorter stacked at the time but i remember stacks were good for bet/3b all in and not c/r. also didn't give him the chance to take a free card

furry muff, just that usually the higher card boards aren't that great for leading on. Also if he is a good player surely he is calling a lead more often than he is raising?

easy 4b/call here.

ha shutup you nit

yeh no need to over complicate, just call. Pretty sure your likely to win it on a ton of flops anyway.
Dont think 4bet / calling is brilliant if he has any thought process... after showing 58o previous doubt he gona be 5 betting light again

I'm hoping that as this hand progresses Chris just calls.

The similar online hand I played I did a flat call but messed up the streets.

Railtard says we're likely to win it on a ton of flops anyway but why? We're up against a competent aggro player with position on us.

What makes you think we're going to win this on any board that we don't hit? Is this aggro 5 betting with 58o oppo suddenly going to become passive when he doesn't hit a flop full in the face?

30 responses to say one word

Call.

Results:

I called and checked all 3 streets to him when the board ran out Tc 8d 6s 4s Ks

he bet 65k on the river and I folded and felt like a girl

Id lead the turn with the intention of overbetting the river.

Id bet 70k on the turn and then 350k on the majority of rivers.

I said majority.

Best rivers are obviously   2,3,5,7,9,J,Q

Of the pairing rivers- T>8>6>4

I do actually bet 350k on an ace river, dont really want to post too much about this but just call it a merge. As for K rivers not sure what Id do, sometimes id bet 350k, sometimes 150k, sometimes check. Ks makes it slightly more interesting as its easier for us to have spade combos than him, given his check behind on the flop indicates the majority of time he has a hand with showdown value and there arent that many spade combos in showdown hands, assuming he bets air on flop of course.

How come you're quite clever Dave?

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[ x ] Overbetting is one of my personal faves!

Yeah forget that idea I thought exactly the same after I wrote it! 

Too much time on other forums ;marks; rotflmfao

LOOOOOOOOL!

Your good, I actually learn shit reading your posts.

CALL. we have a hand villain will barrel off on when we hit. With a plan to crai on some boards when we miss also. Have faith in ur postflop ability.

i'm guessing its a balancing of the value bets being the same as the bluffs, altho we are overbetting to get a fold the majority of the time so we'll still get a fold despite we are betting our A or Q for value :/

i can understand betting the Ks river but i think an offsuit King is probably the worst card in the deck to be barreling?

how'd you play it post flop mr key?

well i was trying to answer your question about dubai at first but then i gave my own thoughts on the King rivers and then i asked you how you would play it post flop. do you dislike being called mr key lol? were you as disappointed as i was that norman chad made no jokes about your surname?

Mr Keys

well fwiw i took at least 3 minutes on the river trying to find a call lol. he told me in the bar afterwards what he had but not sure how to trust his word since he knew there was no redraw for day 3.