Deep OOP preflop spot from UKIPT

[NigDawG]

to set the scene, it's near the end of day 2, there are 13 left and we are playing our last 7 hands. This is hand 2 i think but its important to note this is the last button villain in seat 1 will play today.

hero is in seat 9 and we remain in these seats (no redraw) for day 3. villain is dean lyall (deanosupremo online) who has only been on my table ~45mins and been very aggro in pots but only 3bet me once (the first time i opened with him on the table iirc) which i called and led into him on KQJ which he tank folded. i'd also heard some stories from others throughout the tournament about how he'd been playing every pot very aggressively including 5betting Kellet with 58o and showing when both were super deep at the end of a level as a break was starting.

blinds are 6k/12k w/1k and hero is playing ~900k, villain has ~800k. we are the 2 big stacks on this table and 2 of the biggest in the tourney.

folds to hero on CO i have   and open for a standard 28k
villain 3bets to 53k (his standard 3bet size fwiw)
folds to hero .....?

hero has an aggro image but no showdowns and villain has only played that one pot vs me as previously mentioned.

[TheChipPrince]

Would we consider 4bet/folding?

Call and play it down the streets.  Or you think OOP against him thats tricky?

[EvilPie]

I had a similar spot deep in an online comp recently with exactly the same hole cards.

Speaking from that experience it's a fold.

Aggro levels etc. seemed similar to this situation and I flatted hoping that I'd be under repped.

It sure worked out well.

The problem was being oop. Just fold and try to convince yourself that it's a meta fold to set him up for a 4 bet later

[outragous76]

given the history im more inclined to 4 bet fold

[Blatch]

4 bet and then 6 bet jam

[EvilPie]

4 bet and then 6 bet jam

Given the 58o Kellet hand this seems like a good plan. Don't know if I'd have the conkers to do it myself though tbh.

Do we think he will give us a chance to 6 bet jam or is he more likely to get there first with his 5 bet if he actually has a hand that we beat?

If he has a monster surely he'll raise to induce?

Bit of a shitty spot. You can easily level yourself in to getting this wrong.

[Royal Flush]

4 bet and then 6 bet jam

4b fold is obv terrabad if he is the kinda guy to 5b 58o...

4b to just call a 5b jam works as well.

[byronkincaid]

4 bet and then 6 bet jam

4b fold is obv terrabad if he is the kinda guy to 5b 58o...

4b to just call a 5b jam works as well.

+1

can we not just call his little 3 bet and look to get all in on an A,Q or 2 blue flop? folding such a good hand for such a little amount and 4 bet folding an Ace and a same colour Queen seem not good to me. if we don't hit the flop and fold then so what? we still has a big stack

[NigDawG]

4 bet and then 6 bet jam

seems fairly spew given that we don't have much personal history here (ie. he has 3bet me once and he probably had ~10 other opportunities to do so since then)

just because he has 5bet Kellet doesn't mean he will be 5bet bluffing me. i have no idea what the dynamics of that 58o hand were and similarly he has no idea what my 4bets mean. having said that, he is obv capable of 5b bluffing and the situation (aggro CO vs aggro BTN near the end of the day) is set up for it.

so we have the shitty situation of playing a hand OOP to an aggro opp or the variance of getting it in here for the world near the final table bubble....

[Blatch]

4 bet and then 6 bet jam

seems fairly spew given that we don't have much personal history here (ie. he has 3bet me once and he probably had ~10 other opportunities to do so since then)

just because he has 5bet Kellet doesn't mean he will be 5bet bluffing me. i have no idea what the dynamics of that 58o hand were and similarly he has no idea what my 4bets mean. having said that, he is obv capable of 5b bluffing and the situation (aggro CO vs aggro BTN near the end of the day) is set up for it.

so we have the shitty situation of playing a hand OOP to an aggro opp or the variance of getting it in here for the world near the final table bubble....

I was kinda joking really and seeing as im a bit of a nit I would flat his 3 bet and play it down the streets.

Reasons for this, mainly pot control OOP, hand is too big to fold.  Oppo has shown he is willing to shut down hands previously and with it being close to end of day I dont want to play a massive pot with AQ.

[810ofclubs]

call 3bet with intention of playing hand for obv value when hits and making decent moves on nice boards when we miss

[Royal Flush]

Flatting is fine obv

[Cottonbud]

If this guy is a good player he will be 3betting you light (espesh on the button) knowing that this is near the final table bubble and people will be scared to go out. My guess is he is trying to take control of the table. I think if you 4bet him here he is most likely to fold as he also knows how close it is to the final table. If he does infact 5bet you here I still don't think I'm finding a fold. How about making a large 4bet to say to him "I'm not folding".

The other option is call pre, play AQ sooted out of position.. to an aggressive player, who is most likely to own us all day long, unless of course we flop big. We could call pre and plan to check-raise alot of flops as bluffs. Either way I think probably a HUGE 4bet is the best option. Theres also the passive option of letting him run over the table and fold AQ pre, "No need to get involved with the other big stack and all that" But I don't think I'm letting him do this stick it in his eye

[NigDawG]

If this guy is a good player he will be 3betting you light (espesh on the button) knowing that this is near the final table bubble and people will be scared to go out. My guess is he is trying to take control of the table. I think if you 4bet him here he is most likely to fold as he also knows how close it is to the final table. If he does infact 5bet you here I still don't think I'm finding a fold. How about making a large 4bet to say to him "I'm not folding".

The other option is call pre, play AQ sooted out of position.. to an aggressive player, who is most likely to own us all day long, unless of course we flop big. We could call pre and plan to check-raise alot of flops as bluffs. Either way I think probably a HUGE 4bet is the best option. Theres also the passive option of letting him run over the table and fold AQ pre, "No need to get involved with the other big stack and all that" But I don't think I'm letting him do this stick it in his eye

don't understand this mate, seems tez?

[NigDawG]

is kellet actually banned from blonde? i know most here hate the guy but would be good to have his thoughts since he 4bet folded TT to the guy in a very similar spot 2 hours before this.