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Title: Staking
Post by: TheWhisper on February 24, 2010, 02:41:51 PM
Hi Everyone

I have had to withdraw my poker roll to pay for bills etc but have some time to play tonight and really fancy a game.

I am just looking to play a $22 180 man on Stars.

50/50 after stake deducted in the event of any binkage?

Kind regards

TheWhisper


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 24, 2010, 03:49:13 PM
Not sure what time I will be home, 7ish I hope will post later if you don't have a backer by then, what's your stars name?


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: paulhouk03 on February 24, 2010, 04:12:30 PM
you wanna just play the one tourney?

oprs?


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: TheWhisper on February 24, 2010, 04:23:18 PM
Thanks - thewhisper

Yes just the one

http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/pokerstars/TheWhisper/poker/results/1A1E292D860145DD92AAEC75D0BB736A.html?t=2 (http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/pokerstars/TheWhisper/poker/results/1A1E292D860145DD92AAEC75D0BB736A.html?t=2)

http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/pokerstars/TheWhisper/poker/results/1A1E292D860145DD92AAEC75D0BB736A.html?t=2 (http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/pokerstars/TheWhisper/poker/results/1A1E292D860145DD92AAEC75D0BB736A.html?t=2)


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Royal Flush on February 24, 2010, 05:13:44 PM
According to OPR you run at about 50% ROI in these games, so why should someone stake you at ~100% ROI to see any return?


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: thetank on February 24, 2010, 05:20:24 PM
Ya, ridic premium to charge for a single comp.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: TheWhisper on February 24, 2010, 05:35:53 PM
Thank you Flushy for pointing the error of my ways I will spend the evening watching TV instead.

I am not sure I agree with your interpretation of my results as I show a profit on these games, albeit small.

Thetank, not sure I understand your comment, staking for single games is always 50/50.

Be lucky


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: GreekStein on February 24, 2010, 05:40:49 PM
staking for single games is always 50/50.

according to who?


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: thetank on February 24, 2010, 05:51:07 PM

staking for single games is always 50/50.


Are you putting up 50% of the buy-in?

If not you are charging a premium. Wanting someone to put up 100% of the money for 50% of any prize is far from standard in a single comp staking deal.

If you can find mugs that like to do this then well played. Keep doing exactly what you're doing and more power to you.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: byronkincaid on February 24, 2010, 05:59:34 PM
tbf people have made this mistake before because people who are running good or whatever will stake X blondes at 50/50 but obv there is a difference between offering a stake and asking for one. also 50/50 could be fine for a long term +ev deal, but not really for a one off.

i read (dunno if true) that that russian dude who finaled the WSOP and the WSOPE was staked 100% and only got 10% of each win.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: EvilPie on February 24, 2010, 06:01:13 PM
Thank you Flushy for pointing the error of my ways I will spend the evening watching TV instead.

I am not sure I agree with your interpretation of my results as I show a profit on these games, albeit small.

Thetank, not sure I understand your comment, staking for single games is always 50/50.

Be lucky


Sometimes people will offer this as a one off for fun but asking for it is way over the top.

If you can point me to a thread on here where someone has asked for and got 50/50 for 100% staking I'll be impressed.

70/30 in stakers favour is about the best you can get.

Not saying you're trying to rip anyone off I think you just don't understand quite how much you're asking for.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: thetank on February 24, 2010, 06:04:17 PM

tbf people have made this mistake before because people who are running good or whatever will stake X blondes at 50/50 but obv there is a difference between offering a stake and asking for one.


Good point.

The offering to stake people in one comp for 50:50 is people who've just had a big win or w/ever and they know they're taking a negative EV hit but they want to give something back to the forum out of a kind of philantropy balla-ness. (or a similar motivation, I dunno. Maybe they want some degen action and would rather that the equity they lose goes to a forum member rather than a casino, or just for the craic, who knows, these people eat £5 notes for a laff  :D )

As byron points out, there's a big difference in people offering free money and people asking for free money. Not saying that's what you've done deliberately, the confusion is understandable.




Title: Re: Staking
Post by: thetank on February 24, 2010, 06:22:18 PM
It's not that we're all h8ers, it's just that there's a slow bloke that posts on here called EvilPie who'd ridic multai and also a bit special. We like to look out for him, he'd have a bit of everthing otherwise.

If Flushy et al didn't point out which deals were shoite for the backer numbers wise poor Matt would only be multai instead of ridic multai.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: maldini32 on February 24, 2010, 06:26:14 PM
Cut the guy some slack guys.

He's only asking for $22 not like he's asking for 50/50 backing into an ept event.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: GreekStein on February 24, 2010, 07:11:40 PM
Cut the guy some slack guys.

He's only asking for $22 not like he's asking for 50/50 backing into an ept event.

good luck with your investment.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: GreekStein on February 24, 2010, 07:13:40 PM
tbf people have made this mistake before because people who are running good or whatever will stake X blondes at 50/50 but obv there is a difference between offering a stake and asking for one. also 50/50 could be fine for a long term +ev deal, but not really for a one off.

i read (dunno if true) that that russian dude who finaled the WSOP and the WSOPE was staked 100% and only got 10% of each win.

Nah that's incorrect Byron.

It's Ivan Demidov you are talking about and I believe he was on a 30/70 deal if I remember the post he wrote very recently on 2+2 about it correctly. Apparently this deal was standard at the time for players in Russia.

Also, his backer still owes him money I believe.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 24, 2010, 07:25:40 PM
Cut the guy some slack guys.

He's only asking for $22 not like he's asking for 50/50 backing into an ept event.

+ 1

I'm looking for staking into the $300 wednesday quarter million- Username hairymonster thank you bye


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 24, 2010, 07:36:17 PM


i take it he is not online


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Girgy85 on February 24, 2010, 07:39:48 PM
Il play it for him Rhodesy!


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Royal Flush on February 24, 2010, 07:49:23 PM
Thank you Flushy for pointing the error of my ways I will spend the evening watching TV instead.

I am not sure I agree with your interpretation of my results as I show a profit on these games, albeit small.

Thetank, not sure I understand your comment, staking for single games is always 50/50.

Be lucky


Pretty much what everyone else has said.

As a side i will continue to post if i think people are trying to take advantage of the good nature of blondes (especially after the RobetHM recent bump)


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 24, 2010, 07:49:45 PM


mate there is a $5  two rebuys and 1 add on starts in 1 hour 50 ish gets 22k pots i put you in that is a good and soft game 50/50 take all your ru buys stright away imo


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Girgy85 on February 24, 2010, 07:50:38 PM


mate there is a $5  two rebuys and 1 add on starts in 1 hour 50 ish gets 22k pots i put you in that is a good and soft game 50/50 take all your ru buys stright away imo

il play that for ya then


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 24, 2010, 07:51:34 PM



Girgy85 is that right


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 24, 2010, 07:55:54 PM
Sent make good luck take your chips stright away  imo


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: TheWhisper on February 24, 2010, 07:59:27 PM
Cut the guy some slack guys.

He's only asking for $22 not like he's asking for 50/50 backing into an ept event.

good luck with your investment.

This was never intended as an investment opportunity just helping a fellow out but hey ho.




Title: Re: Staking
Post by: TheWhisper on February 24, 2010, 07:59:51 PM
LeedsRhodesy. top man. I've gone off the idea of playing but thanks for the offer.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 24, 2010, 08:03:43 PM
LeedsRhodesy. top man. I've gone off the idea of playing but thanks for the offer.




sure you dont want in makes about $4k 1st prize


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: mondatoo on February 24, 2010, 08:04:17 PM
LeedsRhodesy. top man. I've gone off the idea of playing but thanks for the offer.

Norrrr,play and Bink,fk the haters :)

TBF it's an easy mistake to make,or at least a common one,i did it asking for a 1k event haha.At first i took it personal too before I realised how stupid I'd been.Obv yours nowhere near as bad but still the same in a way.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 24, 2010, 08:07:44 PM

Where that girgy now i have sent him the money?? i bet he has done a runner


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: henrik777 on February 24, 2010, 08:13:57 PM
Thank you Flushy for pointing the error of my ways I will spend the evening watching TV instead.

I am not sure I agree with your interpretation of my results as I show a profit on these games, albeit small.

Thetank, not sure I understand your comment, staking for single games is always 50/50.

Be lucky




Pretty much what everyone else has said.

As a side i will continue to post if i think people are trying to take advantage of the good nature of blondes (especially after the RobetHM recent bump)

Blonde asked the members to play on their poker client and small players were given the "maximum" loyalty payment in return. It appeared that other skins gave more from others posts and possibly you gave bigger hitters more as well if they played on blonde if i picked up correctly. Is that not taking advantage ? You didn't say much that i saw then.

Sandy


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: thetank on February 24, 2010, 08:15:01 PM

This was never intended as an investment opportunity just helping a fellow out but hey ho.


fyp then :)

Hi Everyone
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                          ;nipnip; ;nipnip; ;nipnip; ;nipnip;



Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Longy on February 24, 2010, 08:15:01 PM

Where that girgy now i have sent him the money?? i bet he has done a runner

 ::)


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Girgy85 on February 24, 2010, 08:18:18 PM

Where that girgy now i have sent him the money?? i bet he has done a runner

 ::)

Oi fk off just done 3 miles tonight fker!

Recieved rhodesy will reg now ;)


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 24, 2010, 08:20:00 PM



anyone eles???


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 24, 2010, 08:22:42 PM
did you not see my post I'm awesome


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 24, 2010, 08:24:21 PM
did you not see my post I'm awesome





10k guar in 1 hour and 10 mins??? 


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 24, 2010, 08:25:02 PM
did you not see my post I'm awesome





10k guar in 1 hour and 10 mins??? 

go on then :-)


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 24, 2010, 08:26:15 PM



stars name?


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 24, 2010, 08:26:59 PM

Where that girgy now i have sent him the money?? i bet he has done a runner walker




fmp


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 24, 2010, 08:28:17 PM
Hairymonster


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 24, 2010, 08:29:05 PM


10% of any profit i will give to the next bb too so googogogogogoogogo


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 24, 2010, 08:30:05 PM
TYVM Received and regged.... i'll do my best to get a decent cash


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 24, 2010, 08:54:34 PM





Gl guys


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 24, 2010, 10:04:51 PM
 


1st brake 9200 


nice hand hairy with the AA


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 24, 2010, 10:06:44 PM
Just took the 3 buy ins at start like you said; I'm correct in slowing down here and evaluate oppo's move eh???

PokerStars Game #40271193326: Tournament #286010673, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2010/02/24 21:50:38 WET [2010/02/24 16:50:38 ET]
Table '286010673 25' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Pokero_18 (1955 in chips)
Seat 2: mangueira64 (9670 in chips)
Seat 3: ScarFaceN°1 (4835 in chips)
Seat 4: leonjuan (6400 in chips)
Seat 5: kkapini (7500 in chips)
Seat 6: fiona555 (2265 in chips)
Seat 7: lonewolfslt (6202 in chips)
Seat 8: hairymonster (8093 in chips)
hairymonster: posts small blind 15
Pokero_18: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hairymonster [Ah Ac]
mangueira64: folds
Vit0507 is connected
ScarFaceN°1: folds
leonjuan: calls 30
kkapini: folds
fiona555: calls 30
lonewolfslt: calls 30
hairymonster: raises 198 to 228
Pokero_18: folds
leonjuan: folds
fiona555: calls 198
lonewolfslt: folds
*** FLOP *** [2d 9h 5h]
hairymonster: bets 375
fiona555: calls 375
*** TURN *** [2d 9h 5h] [2s]
hairymonster: bets 663
fiona555: calls 663
*** RIVER *** [2d 9h 5h 2s] [Th]
hairymonster: checks
fiona555: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hairymonster: shows [Ah Ac] (two pair, Aces and Deuces)
fiona555: mucks hand
hairymonster collected 2622 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2622 | Rake 0
Board [2d 9h 5h 2s Th]
Seat 1: Pokero_18 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: mangueira64 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ScarFaceN°1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: leonjuan folded before Flop
Seat 5: kkapini folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: fiona555 mucked [As 8h]
Seat 7: lonewolfslt (button) folded before Flop
Seat 8: hairymonster (small blind) showed [Ah Ac] and won (2622) with two pair, Aces and Deuces


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Colchester Kev on February 24, 2010, 10:07:48 PM



1st brake 9200  


nice hand hairy with the AA

Rhodesy, I hate doing this, and it is not something I am comfortable doing ... but please start typing BREAK instead of BRAKE ... you have done it loads lately and it is really tilting me for some reason ;)


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 24, 2010, 10:08:17 PM



even if you bet 100 on the river he folds


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 24, 2010, 10:09:22 PM



1st brake 9200  


nice hand hairy with the AA

Rhodesy, I hate doing this, and it is not something I am comfortable doing ... but please start typing BREAK instead of BRAKE ... you have done it loads lately and it is really tilting me for some reason ;)



lol ok i will write it on my hand 


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Royal Flush on February 24, 2010, 10:10:41 PM
Thank you Flushy for pointing the error of my ways I will spend the evening watching TV instead.

I am not sure I agree with your interpretation of my results as I show a profit on these games, albeit small.

Thetank, not sure I understand your comment, staking for single games is always 50/50.

Be lucky




Pretty much what everyone else has said.

As a side i will continue to post if i think people are trying to take advantage of the good nature of blondes (especially after the RobetHM recent bump)

Blonde asked the members to play on their poker client and small players were given the "maximum" loyalty payment in return. It appeared that other skins gave more from others posts and possibly you gave bigger hitters more as well if they played on blonde if i picked up correctly. Is that not taking advantage ? You didn't say much that i saw then.

Sandy

I wasn't around when the deal was done but i am not sure how giving people rakeback is taking advantage?


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Girgy85 on February 24, 2010, 10:11:59 PM
7310 at 1st brake rhodesy! still got my add on!


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Colchester Kev on February 24, 2010, 10:12:35 PM
7310 at 1st brake rhodesy! still got my add on!


LOL nh bigboy.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 24, 2010, 10:16:44 PM
7310 at 1st brake rhodesy! still got my add on!


LOL nh bigboy.



play a hand you nit


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Girgy85 on February 24, 2010, 10:22:21 PM
7310 at 1st brake rhodesy! still got my add on!


LOL nh bigboy.



play a hand you nit

Waiting for aces mate!


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: paulhouk03 on February 24, 2010, 10:25:33 PM

hows the running going?


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 24, 2010, 10:38:16 PM
currently sittin on 16.5k- rhodes whats my play do I still take the add on or u want yer $5.00 back-is there much point in the extra 2.5k in this situation?


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Girgy85 on February 24, 2010, 10:38:44 PM

Just busto sigh!

Didnt get chance to use the add on rhodesy! il ship it back now!


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 24, 2010, 10:39:58 PM
currently sittin on 16.5k- rhodes whats my play do I still take the add on or u want yer $5.00 back-is there much point in the extra 2.5k in this situation?


add on mate the more chips the better


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Dino on February 24, 2010, 10:47:57 PM
I don't think Brian likes you.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 24, 2010, 10:58:23 PM



$5.5k Ftw lets gogogogog


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: henrik777 on February 24, 2010, 11:40:18 PM
Thank you Flushy for pointing the error of my ways I will spend the evening watching TV instead.

I am not sure I agree with your interpretation of my results as I show a profit on these games, albeit small.

Thetank, not sure I understand your comment, staking for single games is always 50/50.

Be lucky




Pretty much what everyone else has said.

As a side i will continue to post if i think people are trying to take advantage of the good nature of blondes (especially after the RobetHM recent bump)

Blonde asked the members to play on their poker client and small players were given the "maximum" loyalty payment in return. It appeared that other skins gave more from others posts and possibly you gave bigger hitters more as well if they played on blonde if i picked up correctly. Is that not taking advantage ? You didn't say much that i saw then.

Sandy

I wasn't around when the deal was done but i am not sure how giving people rakeback is taking advantage?

Didn't you bring in some big rakers for blonde ?  Did they get the same loyalty as the smallballers ?

On the same line as this thread was there better value to be had ?

Were blonde wrong ? Not in my opinion but for you to then criticize a blonde because you think his offerings are bad value is hypocritical.

Sandy


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 24, 2010, 11:52:32 PM




GL mate going to bed now keep it going and win us both some mad ones


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 24, 2010, 11:55:37 PM
long way to go-i'll try not to blow up tho


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: thetank on February 24, 2010, 11:58:21 PM
Flushy's been calling things as he sees them on here for 5 year.
You want him to stop now because he's bought the place?

fk that


This allegedly giving bigger players better rakeback on the sly issue has got bugger all to do with anything here.
If Flushy has to stop criticising people's actions, from a logical poker player minded perspective, lest they take the hump and spite dig up some random shit to have a pop at blonde, then the forum will be a much poorer place.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: EvilPie on February 25, 2010, 12:07:17 AM
It's not that we're all h8ers, it's just that there's a slow bloke that posts on here called EvilPie who'd ridic multai and also a bit special. We like to look out for him, he'd have a bit of everthing otherwise.

If Flushy et al didn't point out which deals were shoite for the backer numbers wise poor Matt would only be multai instead of ridic multai.

Sigh....

the good ol' days.......


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: TightEnd on February 25, 2010, 12:09:40 AM
Every single IPoker skin paid more than the "permitted network maximum" to some of its players. blonde did so to only a few players, to not have done so would have meant we would have had no sizeable rakers, in what had effectively become an "arms race" amongst competing skins. Furthermore I don't think we ever denied it. People know its a fact of online poker life for skins.

I don't really see how Sandy's analogy here is applicable. The OP made an innocent mistake I think, which is easily done on these types of issues, and posters are quite within their rights to put him right, if done so without being harsh.
 


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: GreekStein on February 25, 2010, 12:12:24 AM
Every single IPoker skin paid more than the "permitted network maximum" to some of its players. blonde did so to only a few players, to not have done so would have meant we would have had no sizeable rakers, in what had effectively become an "arms race" amongst competing skins. Furthermore I don't think we ever denied it. People know its a fact of online poker life for skins.

I don't really see how Sandy's analogy here is applicable. The OP made an innocent mistake I think, which is easily done on these types of issues, and posters are quite within their rights to put him right, if done so without being harsh.
 

good post rich.

God you don't know how much I miss the old 75% rakeback deal I had on blonde.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: TightEnd on February 25, 2010, 12:13:31 AM
Every single IPoker skin paid more than the "permitted network maximum" to some of its players. blonde did so to only a few players, to not have done so would have meant we would have had no sizeable rakers, in what had effectively become an "arms race" amongst competing skins. Furthermore I don't think we ever denied it. People know its a fact of online poker life for skins.

I don't really see how Sandy's analogy here is applicable. The OP made an innocent mistake I think, which is easily done on these types of issues, and posters are quite within their rights to put him right, if done so without being harsh.
 

good post rich.

God you don't know how much I miss the old 75% rakeback deal I had on blonde.


lol.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: thetank on February 25, 2010, 12:18:44 AM

The OP made an innocent mistake I think, which is easily done on these types of issues


Has since implied that he understood OP was bad deal for staker but that instead he was having a bit of a nip.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: TightEnd on February 25, 2010, 12:19:36 AM

The OP made an innocent mistake I think, which is easily done on these types of issues


Has since implied that he understood OP was bad deal for staker but that instead he was having a bit of a nip.

I stand corrected then. Even more right for people to make those unsuspecting aware then


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: thetank on February 25, 2010, 12:21:38 AM
lol if Hairydude binks $5.5k amidst all this bollox

glgl


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Royal Flush on February 25, 2010, 12:22:10 AM
Didn't you bring in some big rakers for blonde ?  Did they get the same loyalty as the smallballers ?

On the same line as this thread was there better value to be had ?

Were blonde wrong ? Not in my opinion but for you to then criticize a blonde because you think his offerings are bad value is hypocritical.

Sandy

Yes. Some did some didn't, sliding scale.

No.

No.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Claw75 on February 25, 2010, 12:24:15 AM

The OP made an innocent mistake I think, which is easily done on these types of issues


Has since implied that he understood OP was bad deal for staker but that instead he was having a bit of a nip.

slightly disingenuous there tank - I don't think that was implied at all


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: thetank on February 25, 2010, 12:26:00 AM

This was never intended as an investment opportunity just helping a fellow out but hey ho.



Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Claw75 on February 25, 2010, 12:28:00 AM
no need to quote it, I read it first time round. I just don't see the same implication that you do.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: thetank on February 25, 2010, 12:32:58 AM
When 'helping a fellow out' involves handing over cash, it's a nip.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Claw75 on February 25, 2010, 12:36:19 AM
When 'helping a fellow out' involves handing over cash, it's a nip.

Not in my eyes. Nipping would be "can someone lend me $22 - will send back asap".  The way I read it, the dude fancies a game of poker, doesn't have any funds to play with atm and came on looking to see if someone would ship him a relatively small amount of money with the possibility of a decent return (even if the figures he came up with weren't quite the norm).  I don't understand why the fact he said he was hoping someone could help him out amounts to nipping?



Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 25, 2010, 12:37:16 AM
What the hell all this???   i would never back anyone to play just one  $22 180 man mtt like first asked for on here but if someone wants to play a good value mtt where i think its a weak field and where i know the pot going to be $30-$40k for a $20 stake i dont mind showing some love.

End of the day if he goes on to blink $5.5k now im a happy man


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 25, 2010, 12:43:16 AM
ehhhh wasnt me thats started this thread  ;hide;

Should I just be open folding here-oppo is very loose aggressive?? defo fold eh??

PokerStars Game #40279009392: Tournament #286010673, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (300/600) - 2010/02/25 0:30:34 WET [2010/02/24 19:30:34 ET]
Table '286010673 25' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: onewidth (26926 in chips)
Seat 2: SavePluto9 (26708 in chips)
Seat 3: ZenDoKai (29410 in chips)
Seat 4: tazmaniac59 (57757 in chips)
Seat 5: StrikeOIl (20065 in chips)
Seat 6: mrsbays24 (32549 in chips)
Seat 7: dimaha706 (17842 in chips)
Seat 8: hairymonster (37612 in chips)
Seat 9: Bene sittiib (31194 in chips)
onewidth: posts the ante 70
SavePluto9: posts the ante 70
ZenDoKai: posts the ante 70
tazmaniac59: posts the ante 70
StrikeOIl: posts the ante 70
mrsbays24: posts the ante 70
dimaha706: posts the ante 70
hairymonster: posts the ante 70
Bene sittiib: posts the ante 70
mrsbays24: posts small blind 300
dimaha706: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hairymonster [Js Ah]
hairymonster: raises 1200 to 1800
Bene sittiib: folds
onewidth: calls 1800
SavePluto9: folds
ZenDoKai: folds
tazmaniac59: folds
StrikeOIl: folds
mrsbays24: folds
dimaha706: calls 1200
*** FLOP *** [9h As 5c]
dimaha706: checks
hairymonster: bets 4500
onewidth: raises 20556 to 25056 and is all-in
dimaha706: folds
hairymonster: folds
Uncalled bet (20556) returned to onewidth
onewidth collected 15330 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 15330 | Rake 0
Board [9h As 5c]
Seat 1: onewidth collected (15330)
Seat 2: SavePluto9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ZenDoKai folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: tazmaniac59 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: StrikeOIl (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mrsbays24 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: dimaha706 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: hairymonster folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Bene sittiib folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 25, 2010, 12:47:39 AM

yea Fold good then


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: thetank on February 25, 2010, 12:49:12 AM

ehhhh wasnt me thats started this thread  ;hide;


reason and logic went out the window some time ago

glgl and fold that shite pre in that pos :)


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 25, 2010, 12:50:29 AM
1st "decent" hand i've had in an hour-trying to steal but table is full of calling stations-hard to find spots- now just about average with 40xBB...still time!!!


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 25, 2010, 12:52:35 AM



loads off time left


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Royal Flush on February 25, 2010, 12:53:55 AM
errrm is that flop wrong?


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 25, 2010, 12:55:33 AM
errrm is that flop wrong?

Should I be calling here 100% then? I tanked and tanked then couldnt see much I was beating?


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: GreekStein on February 25, 2010, 12:56:11 AM
When 'helping a fellow out' involves handing over cash, it's a nip.

Not in my eyes. Nipping would be "can someone lend me $22 - will send back asap".  The way I read it, the dude fancies a game of poker, doesn't have any funds to play with atm and came on looking to see if someone would ship him a relatively small amount of money with the possibility of a decent return (even if the figures he came up with weren't quite the norm).  I don't understand why the fact he said he was hoping someone could help him out amounts to nipping?



Clare he's basically implied its a veiled nip, which is what it is.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 25, 2010, 12:57:37 AM
errrm is that flop wrong?


Why you say that??


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 25, 2010, 12:57:49 AM
Possibly right flushy- because of previous hand dynamics think he thought he could bully....

PokerStars Game #40279706906: Tournament #286010673, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (400/800) - 2010/02/25 0:46:58 WET [2010/02/24 19:46:58 ET]
Table '286010673 25' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: onewidth (29026 in chips)
Seat 2: SavePluto9 (21428 in chips)
Seat 3: Shafeman (23322 in chips)
Seat 4: tazmaniac59 (68282 in chips)
Seat 5: StrikeOIl (34030 in chips)
Seat 6: mrsbays24 (45446 in chips)
Seat 7: pgraesby (26256 in chips)
Seat 8: hairymonster (26002 in chips)
Seat 9: Bene sittiib (32244 in chips)
onewidth: posts the ante 100
SavePluto9: posts the ante 100
Shafeman: posts the ante 100
tazmaniac59: posts the ante 100
StrikeOIl: posts the ante 100
mrsbays24: posts the ante 100
pgraesby: posts the ante 100
hairymonster: posts the ante 100
Bene sittiib: posts the ante 100
tazmaniac59: posts small blind 400
StrikeOIl: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hairymonster [Qh Ah]
mrsbays24: folds
pgraesby: calls 800
hairymonster: raises 2000 to 2800
Bene sittiib: folds
onewidth: raises 26126 to 28926 and is all-in
SavePluto9: folds
Shafeman: folds
tazmaniac59: folds
StrikeOIl: folds
pgraesby: folds
hairymonster: calls 23102 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (3024) returned to onewidth
*** FLOP *** [4d 6h 9c]
*** TURN *** [4d 6h 9c] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [4d 6h 9c 7d] [Kc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hairymonster: shows [Qh Ah] (high card Ace)
onewidth: shows [Ac Jh] (high card Ace - lower kicker)
hairymonster collected 54704 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 54704 | Rake 0
Board [4d 6h 9c 7d Kc]
Seat 1: onewidth showed [Ac Jh] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 2: SavePluto9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Shafeman (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: tazmaniac59 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: StrikeOIl (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: mrsbays24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: pgraesby folded before Flop
Seat 8: hairymonster showed [Qh Ah] and won (54704) with high card Ace
Seat 9: Bene sittiib folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 25, 2010, 01:00:21 AM




googogogoogogogogogo


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Royal Flush on February 25, 2010, 01:03:55 AM
errrm is that flop wrong?

Should I be calling here 100% then? I tanked and tanked then couldnt see much I was beating?

What are you losing too?


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on February 25, 2010, 01:06:16 AM
errrm is that flop wrong?

Should I be calling here 100% then? I tanked and tanked then couldnt see much I was beating?

What are you losing too?

quite a few hands??


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Claw75 on February 25, 2010, 01:08:38 AM
When 'helping a fellow out' involves handing over cash, it's a nip.

Not in my eyes. Nipping would be "can someone lend me $22 - will send back asap".  The way I read it, the dude fancies a game of poker, doesn't have any funds to play with atm and came on looking to see if someone would ship him a relatively small amount of money with the possibility of a decent return (even if the figures he came up with weren't quite the norm).  I don't understand why the fact he said he was hoping someone could help him out amounts to nipping?



Clare he's basically implied its a veiled nip, which is what it is.

only he know's what he's implying; everyone's inferring different things. I think way too much has been read into the wording he chose to use.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Royal Flush on February 25, 2010, 01:09:50 AM
errrm is that flop wrong?

Should I be calling here 100% then? I tanked and tanked then couldnt see much I was beating?

What are you losing too?

quite a few hands??

on A95r?


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 25, 2010, 01:13:20 AM
lost a chunk-down to 35xBB- average stack

It was just a bizarre move from him I half expected a set or A9, AK AQ


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: GreekStein on February 25, 2010, 01:14:09 AM
errrm is that flop wrong?

Should I be calling here 100% then? I tanked and tanked then couldnt see much I was beating?

What are you losing too?

quite a few hands??

its def a call dr rhodes


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Royal Flush on February 25, 2010, 01:16:31 AM
lost a chunk-down to 35xBB- average stack

It was just a bizarre move from him I half expected a set or A9, AK AQ

Pretty sure you wont see AK/AQ flat pre, nor AA. If they do why would they jam?


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 25, 2010, 01:24:43 AM
lost a chunk-down to 35xBB- average stack

It was just a bizarre move from him I half expected a set or A9, AK AQ

Pretty sure you wont see AK/AQ flat pre, nor AA. If they do why would they jam?

Yeah your right-after I looked through hand historys etc he had been jamming a lot preflop etc think he was just a muppet



Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Royal Flush on February 25, 2010, 01:28:46 AM
lost a chunk-down to 35xBB- average stack

It was just a bizarre move from him I half expected a set or A9, AK AQ

Pretty sure you wont see AK/AQ flat pre, nor AA. If they do why would they jam?

Yeah your right-after I looked through hand historys etc he had been jamming a lot preflop etc think he was just a muppet



This is likely!

Still, gogogo


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: pleno1 on February 25, 2010, 01:32:56 AM
bluffing with AJ  on A95r board?


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 25, 2010, 01:35:12 AM
Just wish I could get a hand...trying to steal whenever possible but not got much of a stack for it- got 38.5, blinds 750/1500/175- average is 45k



Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 25, 2010, 01:39:08 AM
FUCKKKKK....

sorry down a chunk- they've raised my blind tons and thought this was a bit of bubble play since we were on it

PokerStars Game #40281295896: Tournament #286010673, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (750/1500) - 2010/02/25 1:28:30 WET [2010/02/24 20:28:30 ET]
Table '286010673 25' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: kalashnikow (41825 in chips)
Seat 2: SavePluto9 (36121 in chips)
Seat 3: Shafeman (34002 in chips)
Seat 4: tazmaniac59 (48713 in chips)
Seat 5: StrikeOIl (41866 in chips)
Seat 6: mrsbays24 (29508 in chips)
Seat 7: pgraesby (70237 in chips)
Seat 8: hairymonster (37945 in chips)
Seat 9: Bene sittiib (17344 in chips)
kalashnikow: posts the ante 175
SavePluto9: posts the ante 175
Shafeman: posts the ante 175
tazmaniac59: posts the ante 175
StrikeOIl: posts the ante 175
mrsbays24: posts the ante 175
pgraesby: posts the ante 175
hairymonster: posts the ante 175
Bene sittiib: posts the ante 175
pgraesby: posts small blind 750
hairymonster: posts big blind 1500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hairymonster [4s Jc]
Bene sittiib: folds
kalashnikow: folds
SavePluto9: folds
Shafeman: folds
tazmaniac59: folds
StrikeOIl: folds
mrsbays24: raises 2377 to 3877
pgraesby: folds
hairymonster: raises 4323 to 8200
mrsbays24: calls 4323
*** FLOP *** [3d 5h 7h]
hairymonster: checks
mrsbays24: checks
*** TURN *** [3d 5h 7h] [Qh]
hairymonster: bets 6000
mrsbays24: raises 15133 to 21133 and is all-in
hairymonster: folds
Uncalled bet (15133) returned to mrsbays24
mrsbays24 collected 30725 from pot
mrsbays24: shows [6s Js] (high card Queen)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 30725 | Rake 0
Board [3d 5h 7h Qh]
Seat 1: kalashnikow folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: SavePluto9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Shafeman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: tazmaniac59 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: StrikeOIl folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mrsbays24 (button) collected (30725)
Seat 7: pgraesby (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: hairymonster (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 9: Bene sittiib folded before Flop (didn't bet)



Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 25, 2010, 01:40:18 AM
sigh then.....

PokerStars Game #40281374613: Tournament #286010673, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (750/1500) - 2010/02/25 1:30:35 WET [2010/02/24 20:30:35 ET]
Table '286010673 25' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: kalashnikow (41475 in chips)
Seat 2: SavePluto9 (35771 in chips)
Seat 3: Shafeman (33652 in chips)
Seat 4: tazmaniac59 (48363 in chips)
Seat 5: StrikeOIl (45341 in chips)
Seat 6: mrsbays24 (45683 in chips)
Seat 7: pgraesby (69137 in chips)
Seat 8: hairymonster (22645 in chips)
Seat 9: Bene sittiib (15494 in chips)
kalashnikow: posts the ante 175
SavePluto9: posts the ante 175
Shafeman: posts the ante 175
tazmaniac59: posts the ante 175
StrikeOIl: posts the ante 175
mrsbays24: posts the ante 175
pgraesby: posts the ante 175
hairymonster: posts the ante 175
Bene sittiib: posts the ante 175
Bene sittiib: posts small blind 750
kalashnikow: posts big blind 1500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hairymonster [As Ah]
SavePluto9: folds
Shafeman: folds
tazmaniac59: folds
StrikeOIl: folds
mrsbays24: folds
pgraesby: folds
hairymonster: raises 1500 to 3000
Bene sittiib: folds
kalashnikow: folds
Uncalled bet (1500) returned to hairymonster
hairymonster collected 5325 from pot
hairymonster: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5325 | Rake 0
Seat 1: kalashnikow (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: SavePluto9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Shafeman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: tazmaniac59 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: StrikeOIl folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mrsbays24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: pgraesby folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: hairymonster (button) collected (5325)
Seat 9: Bene sittiib (small blind) folded before Flop


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 25, 2010, 01:43:19 AM
in the money but only got 13xbb for my stupid move-need a shoving hand soon


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: EvilPie on February 25, 2010, 01:49:23 AM
Just wish I could get a hand...trying to steal whenever possible but not got much of a stack for it- got 38.5, blinds 750/1500/175- average is 45k



You had one a bit ago. Don't you remember the top pair with the 11th worst kicker in holdem?


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 25, 2010, 01:52:00 AM
Just wish I could get a hand...trying to steal whenever possible but not got much of a stack for it- got 38.5, blinds 750/1500/175- average is 45k



You had one a bit ago. Don't you remember the top pair with the 11th worst kicker in holdem?

LOL I know...I got all that guys chips in the next few hands anyway have a look  ;)

but anyway been moved to a new table got 31k(15xbb) but got put to the right of the 3 biggies on 94, 98 and 148 which aint great- one time!!!!!!


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 25, 2010, 02:07:06 AM
Sigh.... Out- sorry I couldnt do better mate- couldve defo done better in certain spots-some u seen some not so much :-/

Thoughts on my exit hand? pretty standard eh with 10xBB- win that and i'm right back in it but ah well

Thanks for the stake-work out what i've to ship & i'll do it tomorrow- need to get to my kip!

PokerStars Game #40282235302: Tournament #286010673, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIII (1500/3000) - 2010/02/25 1:54:16 WET [2010/02/24 20:54:16 ET]
Table '286010673 119' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: ZenDoKai (8032 in chips)
Seat 2: BizzoJones (31931 in chips)
Seat 3: melchis4774 (15746 in chips)
Seat 4: NuTeZ (54985 in chips)
Seat 5: hairymonster (32545 in chips)
Seat 6: Jopoloco (136064 in chips)
Seat 7: Wendyalice (194491 in chips)
Seat 8: BreizhJC (29962 in chips)
Seat 9: hartfishr (216769 in chips)
ZenDoKai: posts the ante 375
BizzoJones: posts the ante 375
melchis4774: posts the ante 375
NuTeZ: posts the ante 375
hairymonster: posts the ante 375
Jopoloco: posts the ante 375
Wendyalice: posts the ante 375
BreizhJC: posts the ante 375
hartfishr: posts the ante 375
Wendyalice: posts small blind 1500
BreizhJC: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hairymonster [Qd Jd]
hartfishr: raises 6000 to 9000
ZenDoKai: folds
BizzoJones: folds
melchis4774: folds
NuTeZ: folds
hairymonster: raises 23170 to 32170 and is all-in
Jopoloco: folds
Wendyalice: folds
BreizhJC: folds
hartfishr: calls 23170
*** FLOP *** [Ah 9d Kc]
*** TURN *** [Ah 9d Kc] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [Ah 9d Kc 5h] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hartfishr: shows [Ac Ks] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
hairymonster: shows [Qd Jd] (high card Ace)
hartfishr collected 72215 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 72215 | Rake 0
Board [Ah 9d Kc 5h 3s]
Seat 1: ZenDoKai folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: BizzoJones folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: melchis4774 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: NuTeZ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: hairymonster showed [Qd Jd] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 6: Jopoloco (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Wendyalice (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: BreizhJC (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: hartfishr showed [Ac Ks] and won (72215) with two pair, Aces and Kings


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: EvilPie on February 25, 2010, 02:20:21 AM
Don't love the shove with no FE tbh. You are being called 100% of the time and are behind 90% or more of the time.

15 to 20 bigs deffo shove because better hands will fold. Once you're down to 10 you really need to be first in to the pot without a premium.

Just my personal preference for playing the short stack.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Longy on February 25, 2010, 07:55:50 AM
Think the qj on the end is a fold against utg raisor, unless he is uber loose.

You have no fold equity and are quite a bit behind his range, not a lot going for it really.



Title: Re: Staking
Post by: thetank on February 25, 2010, 04:40:22 PM
Misread by me last night.

It was henrik not Whisper who dug up the rakeback nonsense. For some reason I thought Whisper brought it up and henrik piley-ed on.

Apologies Whisper. Noise us up by pm if you want a 50:50 stake tonight into something.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 25, 2010, 11:22:50 PM
Is it all about fold equity in this spot though???

I understand there might not be much fold equity here but I felt it was a gamble I had to take if I wanted to go deep and chip up- I had no interest in laddering to the next pay bracket and with blinds and ante's felt I was starting to get blinded away!

Also the table, never mind this single player, was super aggro so I did think there was a chance I could get him to fold

Or is this just totally flawed thinking?


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: gatso on February 25, 2010, 11:25:28 PM
he is folding approx 0% of his opening range in that position with those stack sizes


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 25, 2010, 11:31:06 PM
he is folding approx 0% of his opening range in that position with those stack sizes

Ok so lets say we know this- what about the other point of getting blinded away at an aggro table- we're spending 32k(tourny life) to win 72k and put us back in top 80 with a good stack to play with?



Title: Re: Staking
Post by: gatso on February 25, 2010, 11:40:51 PM
you're not desperate, you have 11x

either open shove or go over the top of a similar sized stack. making this play against the monster chipleader just looks suicidal


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: EvilPie on February 26, 2010, 12:39:47 AM
he is folding approx 0% of his opening range in that position with those stack sizes

Ok so lets say we know this- what about the other point of getting blinded away at an aggro table- we're spending 32k(tourny life) to win 72k and put us back in top 80 with a good stack to play with?



At an aggro table you should never get down to 10 bigs. Once you get to 15 you should be looking to reshove against a wide ranged opener while you've got FE.

You might have good odds here but you're almosty always behind. There's 8k in the middle to be picked up without showing cards every hand if you can get in there first. You don't have to do that too often to get your 72k with much less risk of going out.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: BulldozerD on February 26, 2010, 08:14:12 AM
there are loads of better spots than getting it in with QJ vs an UTG open with no FE.


Title: Re: Staking
Post by: Hairydude on February 26, 2010, 10:31:34 PM
he is folding approx 0% of his opening range in that position with those stack sizes

Ok so lets say we know this- what about the other point of getting blinded away at an aggro table- we're spending 32k(tourny life) to win 72k and put us back in top 80 with a good stack to play with?





At an aggro table you should never get down to 10 bigs. Once you get to 15 you should be looking to reshove against a wide ranged opener while you've got FE.

You might have good odds here but you're almosty always behind. There's 8k in the middle to be picked up without showing cards every hand if you can get in there first. You don't have to do that too often to get your 72k with much less risk of going out.

I know this may seem pretty basic but whats my ranges for shoving when first in pot and from what positions? (on a very aggro table)