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Harvey

McGrain
McLeish
W. Miller
Jardine

John Robertson (forest not hearts)
Souness
Bremner
Strachan

Dalglish
Law


Subs:

Goram
McQueen
Buchan
Gemmill
Rioch
Jordan
Mo Johnston

IMO.

thought this was going to be another elephant polo thread

Eck n the Mole  :dontask:

Miller & McLeish were the greatest pairing in Scottish history, don;t make the mistake too many Scotland managers made, and split them up.

Who the fuck is the mole?

the mole might just be the greatest

Mole is proper com ... top bloke.

& he won

 :dontask:

where would this team come in todays prem league?

Not too well, most of them are over 50.

Eddie Grey, if he had not been kicked to fuk by all the hard men in the 70's he would have played alot more for scotland. Oh yeah and he scored the best goal eveeer, fact.

Come on now, Gemmill's was the best ever.

Surely the title of this thread is an oxymoron.

good point. add in the fact that they've got a scottish goalkeeper and they're really going to struggle

How can the English, the English of all people, criticise Scottish goalkeeping at this time? You possibly have the worst International goalkeepers in Europe.

I've also always wondered where this comes from, ok, England had possibly the best two keeepers in the world simultaneously in Clemence/Shilton, but Scotland had a run of great keepers too, Harvey, Goram and Leighton (his inexplicable poor spell at the end of his Utd career excepted). So where did the joke come from?

Could Dalglish/Law play as a combo?   :dontask:

lol, yeah I did kinda think this as I was typing but decided to continue as we def have had great 'keepers in the past

no idea where the scottish 'keeper thing comes from, I'd guess there was a time when yours were as bad as ours are now and it started then

Alan Rough.

just checked the dates and there was a period of a couple of years when these 2 were playing internationally and so were southall and leighton. that was a sick run of 'keepers in british footy, 2 of the world's greatest of all time and one who would go on to be the best and leighton who wasn't too shoddy all playing at once

must've been tough playing as a striker in the english 1st division back then, they would've been pleased that leighton mainly stayed north of the border

Goram (much as it pains me)

McGrain
Miller
McLeish
Gemmell (Tommy)

Johnstone (Jimmy)
Souness
McStay
Baxter

McGrory
Law

Subs
Leighton
Jardine
Aitken
Strachan
Burns
Jordan
Dalgish

Packie Bonner was playing at that time as well - a great keeper.

I discounted bonner as he's irish. completely forgot that jennings was the NI 'keeper at the time though

so from 82-84 we had overlap in the 4 home nations plus ireland of shilton, clemence, southall, leighton, bonner and jennings

quite incredible really, won't ever see that again

Aye maybe, although I think he gets a tough time on the back of Ari Haan's 45 yarder where he was grasping at air.

Was going to throw in Ogrizovic at Coventry as well  but while he was playing before 84 he only started at Coventry in 84. Great Keeper but never capped?

Was at the end of his career when he turned out for Celtic - would have rathered we kept Hamish MacAlpine (who's got a claim as a great keeper as well).

Was going to make a joke about shoplifting meat but I won't........

fml you're old Rod

that 2 year overlap was all 6 of them playing internationally at the same time but yeah, oggy wouldn't have made it any easier for a striker in that era. throw in grobbelaar and you've got an astonishing lineup of div 1 goalies

its interesting that if you just base this on their performances for scotland rather than their club performances you get a completely different team. murdoch ? baxter ? gilzean ? mcneil ? all fantastic players for their club but maybe didnt get the recognition in a scotland jersey the deserved.

hansen pushing for a place under that criteria?

He would be yes - but disqualified for his performances in the commentary box.

Charlie Nicholas out because he was shit on the pitch AND in the commentary box ?

Not really, Miller & McLeish still win on both counts.

I was more thinking of a spot on the bench rather than ahead of miller and mcleish

would either of those 2 make it individually if the other one wasn't around or did they only really work in tandem

            Bill Brown[spurs]

          McGrain,     McLeish,     Miller,   Gemmell


        Johnstone,   Bremner,   Baxter,   Cooper


      Law,    Dalglish


     I really wanted to include John White of Spurs, But we need the hardness of Bremner.



   PS   I wish Messi had a Scottish Granny.

surely you must remember gilzean in his pomp at WHL ?

I'm maybe biased becasue I will nevere forgive Hansen's howler against Russia that once again kncoked us out in the group stages, but I have him behind at least miller, McLeish, Buchan, McQueen, Narey & Hegarty.

As for the Dons duo, absolutely, if they were playing today they'd both be earning over £50k a week at some big club, Miller was world class.

Archibald, Gough, Durie ?

Cant forget Dave Mackay ... or Alfie Conn ;)

'used to be a hun but he's all right now..alifie alfie...'

all in jest of course ;)

Lol at no McCoist but Mo Johnston getting a mention.



Geo

interesting....i have probably more reason to hate mojo than mccoist (although its all in the past now), but mojo as a player was streets ahead of mccoist. ally might have scored more poachers goals, but mojo really was different class.

Absolutely, McCoist nowhere near the player Johnston was.

Archibald despite being a Don, sorry no, not up there ahead of Law, Dalglish, Jordan & Mo Johnston.

Durie? LOL.

Agreed and Frank McAvennie was better than both. McClair was also better than McCoist.

Durie?

Not even close to inclusion IMO, his first touch often hit the ball further than some players could kick it!

Gough should be in though, better than Miller and McLiesh, probably the best centre half Scotland has ever had. Gough and McLeish would be a good pairing though but maybe a touch too much ginger in the team.

Will have a think about it and post my XI later. As god awful as we have been at times we really have had some great players through the years. I always remember my Dad telling me how shit the squad was at the 1982 world cup, most of them would stroll into the current team no problems, and it included genuine world class players like Souness and Dalglish.

Goram

McGrain
Gough
McLeish
Gemmell (Tommy)

Johnstone (Jimmy)
Souness
Bremner
Baxter

Law
Dalglish

Sorry, Gough isn't fit to lace Willie's boots, and he's not as good as McLeish either. Willie was world class, Gough wasn't.

I have to disagree with that. Miller was class but McLeish wasn't - he benefitted from a great understanding with a better player. Hansen, Gough & Aitken were all better footballers and as hard. He got in my team for the partnership - much as he did with Scotland - Hansen was the better player, and he's been a bitter man over it since.

can we put eck in the middle(did anyone see bb3) and put the mole in goal got to be better than anything england has at present

Canny believe that Davie Cooper never got a mention..

Guy was a legend... 

Best days at Firpark.

Goram

Boyd
Calderwood
Hendry
Dailly

Burley
Collins
Lambert
Gallacher

McCoist
McFadden

Can barely remember 1996 and only just 1998 so copy paste team v Brazil with a couple of changes and that'll do. Although can't say I remember much about a couple of names in that team.

Please can Scotland get to another tournament before I die. One simple wish.

Simpson     
Craig   
McNeill
Clark
Gemmell
Johnstone
Murdoch
Auld
Lennox
Chalmers
Wallace

Team is in:


Goram


Jardine Miller McLeish McGrain


Johnstone Souness Bremner Cooper


Law Dalglish



Manager - Jock Stein


No real arguments, except Cooper. He's way too over-rated seemingly because he died in his 30s imo. He's Rangers version of Eion Jess or Paul McStay, you knew the talent was there, but rarely did it come out. Sympathy vote imo.

interesting that they still shift mcgrain over to left back to accomodate the lessor jardine.

mcgrain was good enough to play in both positions, but surely in terms of a 'greatest' team you need to have your best players, playing their strongest positions.

I was a bit surprised Davie Cooper made the XI at the expense of Jim Baxter but your comments about him are complete joke and an insult to his memory IMO. The guy is a legend but he was a legend in his lifetime for a whole generation of Rangers fans in particular. For a number of years he was the only player worth watching in a shit Rangers team and the only Rangers player to make a Scotland squad for a spell in the 80s. His talent was never in doubt but was more consistently displayed when he had more quality players around him. I may be a bit biased as he was one of my biggest boyhood idols, not just mine, almost every guy at my school.
Sympathy vote, NO WAY, the guy was a real quality player. Walter Smith and Craig Levein would do almost anything to have a Davie Cooper in their line ups today.

Shame he only got 22 caps then eh? For such a great player, helluva poor haul, yet good enough for an all time XI?  The memory seemingly much greater than the reality, and it is a sympathy vote.

The reply I would like to leave would get me banned but u r lower than a snakes bollocks IMO, Davie Cooper was and always will be a legend. No sympathy vote required.

Great argument-take jimmy johnstone out too then

Why? I don't think he should be in, he rarely played to his potential, how does that warrant such a reply?  Cooper had many great moments, but he was far from a guy who turned it on in the majority of games he played.

Your original post about Davie Cooper was IMO very derogatory, but the suggestion he is in on a sympathy vote is what I found particularly abhorrent. To suggest he's in because he died in his 30s can only be described as insulting. Had you put it as you have in your most recent post I wouldn't even have felt the need to post.

Honestly in the 30 odd years  I've been watching football I haven't seen a better left sided midfielder/winger who is eligible to wear a Scotland jersey. I can understand surprise that the likes of Jim Baxter or Willie Henderson are omitted from the XI but Cooper is not some sort on sentimental inclusion. To many of those who voted he will be more than worthy of that place, I think so, my Dad may not agree but he's been watching football nearly 60 years so he's seen more of those who missed out.

True that he didn't do it every week but tell me a winger who has, for a long time he was the reason many of us went to watch Rangers.