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Got the train home from London today.

The train before mine was either cancelled or delayed and the train I was on was massively overcrowded.

It was standing room only for latecomers.

Except..

A couple had four tickets and reserved seats for themselves and two friends for the entire journey from London to Inverness.

However the friends never showed up and this couple stationed thmleves on the outside of the four seat round a table and steadfastly refused to let anyone else sit down because they had bought tickets and reserved these seats.. so why should they be uncomfotable with people stting next to them?

So do you think this is fair enough?

Yes

I'd have let someone have the seat, seems pretty tight to me.

Seems fair enough to me.

Its pretty harsh but i guess its their prerogative if they paid, so yeah.

pathetic behaviour

i think a simple litmus test is how would you feel if it was the other way around?

Fair enough IMO , I would have sold the seats myself.

Actually noone suggested this, and it is probably the best solution.

But believe me there were some very very angry people on the train, it looked like turning to violence at one stage.

Selfish

I cant even begin to think of how socially inept and miserable someone would be to deny people the seats. I bet the wankers dont say please or thank you either.

v.selfish IMO ............. would find  it difficult to avoid some verbals  in this spot.

they must be pretty brave doing that on a packed train

Lets say I am socially inept and miserable so I don't want to sit next to anyone on a train so I book out 4 seats. Why should I then give up my bought and paid for seats because the train is busy?

Tell them to GTFO - you can only reserve one seat per person. If their friends aren't on the train, they lose the seat reservation.

I think it's petty and ungenerous. Selfish is a good enough word, given its a packed train

If they paid for the seats and had the tickets rather than their friends then it's up to them what they do with it. If nobody offered to pay for the seats then i think it's fair enough. I probably wouldn't have the balls to say no to people though.

I'd of offered my seat to the fittest bird that was stood up!

Winner

How do you benefit from keeping the seats empty?
How does anyone else benefit from you keeping the seats empty?
Would you like it if you had to stand when there were empty seats?
Would you like it if someone was kind enough to let you have a seat they paid for instead of standing?

This could obviously degenerate into a completely different argument, but imo the 'whats in it for me?' attitude to life is a very sad one. Thank god the world isnt full of people like the ones on Camels train.

Because obv all of the  other passengers haven't paid for a seat...........

Extremely selfish and toolish behaviour.

They paid to travel on the train and they weren't stopped from doing so.

the question as I see it is- have they paid for the seats? I'm pretty sure the answer is no. you pay for a train journey from a to b, the reservation entitles an individual to a seat if they turn up for the journey. if they don't turn up then the reservation is meaningless and the seat should become available

if a seat cost more than a standing place then we would have a different situation and they'd have every right to keep what was paid for but that's not how train travel works in the uk

Basically the short version of  the point I am making is, to deny people the seats you gain nothing but make the world a little bit more miserable, by letting people have the seats you lose nothing but make the world a nicer place to be in.

This whoosed me a little, are you saying that on some services people pay for standing room only and others pay for seats?

Very good point, in fact the guys standing probably paid MORE because they did so at short notice.

Are you sure about this Andrew?

They were insistent they had paid extra for the seats.

I have never reserved a seat on a train, I don't like the inflexibility of picking one train a week in advance. I just show up and hope there's a seat.

They haven't paid extra to specifically book one though have they?

Not got a problem with it, they paid for the seat so it’s there’s to do what they want

Personally I would give the seats up

So when do they give up those empty seats? i come along on crutches they still say no? i simply would sit down and let them move me.

Hold on.

Keith, which train company were you travelling with?

I think, but I'd have to check, that East Coast charge for seat reservations now. In which case, they HAVE paid more for the seats.

Yeah, East Coast was the company.

Impossible unless you climbed over them.

They empty seats were the window seats around a table.

East Coast did charge for seat reservations last year, but they don't any more.

So they may have been correct in that they have paid extra for the seats dependent on when they were booked. Now, knowing this, do people agree or disagree?

It's my reading of clause 40 of the National Rail Conditions of Carriage.

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system/galleries/download/misc/NRCOC.pdf

Depends on whether 'per person' means 'per person actually on the train' or 'per person for the number of tickets bought'. I'd say the former.

Comedy thread.

I like both stances, just a shame no one pushed it to the point of violence.

I'd stand very close to them, that way my bum would be almost in line to their faces depending on their torso height, then I would proceed to pass wind continuously in their face.

Bitch ;)

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOlL

I was about to type up almost the exact same response, but just suggesting face forward scratching my crotch the entire journey.

I like it when you call me that.

LOL

When I was at college there was a tramp that used to go to some of the pubs around Bethnal Green.

He used to walk up to people put his hand and say "10p?" and started scratching himself, just before he reached his crotch he usually got his coin.

lol...if you don't travel you can't have reserved seats.  Its nothing to do with the people/Friends/lovers sitting next to the seats.

Besides you would have thought the couple would think the arguing/grief/abusing you are going to get from others, wasn't worth the extra space!

ask the guard for a ruling

I am pretty sure the guard had said they were in the right before I showed up.

They kept saying "go and ask the guard, he'll tell you the same"

They're bluffing.

Probably if it was full n standing the guard would not have even tried to go through the train.

All you saying you would have given up the seat just lol - i'd like to see you really in that situation.

Given up MY seat, hell no.

Giving up the empty seat next to me, yes. Would choose the most needy though.

Have we give our seats to 2 hot chicks yet?

You would gain the extra space from not having people sit next to you.

Did they have a lot of luggage? Because that would have been really handy space to store it if they did.

They may have had severe claustrophobia and the friends who were going to travel may have been trained counsellors who could help them cope with being bottled up on the train - not only did they have to make do without the claustrophobia trained counselling, but people also wanted to crowd in on them even more. All those people standing - clearly selfish.

Of course I would have, I think anyone who done what these people have done is a massive douche.

Ahh, ty...

I'll be round your house tomorrow because I want to see what you've bought but haven't used and I will be expecting you to let me take it home.

Lol ok.

pretty sure no one sits beside you on a train if you knew that without extensive googling

 ;)

I would take the little reservation cards, make them into a small Millwall brick and then hurt them - at least I hope I would

I've no trouble sharing out the seats.  But if I've paid extra for them, I'm going to pick who gets the seats.  And I can promise you...it won't be the person who barks the loudest.

surely comfort gained from extra seats <<<< having to argue with randoms for the whole journey

seems pretty typical of our society in general at the moment

wow i may be a massive wanker but I'm glad my parents brought me up to not be a complete dousche towards others. I would definitely look to two people who looked like they most needed the seats and offered them at no cost.

Only circumstance I'd say no is if someone who looked like a tramp/smelt/was a weirdo came and asked.

This! As long as they had tight jeans and double d's!

you don't use public transport much do you giiiiiirdlestones...

Ive no need to mate! i have a motor vehicle.

So ridiculously selfish. I can't imagine anyone ever doing this in this situation, just unreal.

Pretty low to block seats when other people need to sit down imo. You have bought the right to offer them to who you want though. The most needy person might not be the most fun or interesting person, and that's something to consider on a long journey.

Each to their own, but its pretty poor ino.

It pisses me off when people are arsey and make people move because that's THERE reserved seat when there's loads of empty seats but this is just ridiculous,Sure wouldn't have kicked off if I had've had to stand and someone did this.

And this behaviour would be better than their behaviour?

so you're the dick that sits in my seat even though it says reserved and you can see all the other empty seats? that really annoys me.

when I get a reservation it's because I want forward facing with a table and power point near the luggage rack so I can keep an eye on my bag with all the thieving bastards nicking my bag. think I have every right to tell someone to gtfo of my seat

why should I take another random seat because you're in my one?

Were you there for the start of the debate Keith? It wouldn't take much of someone being a twat to start me off and make me say fuck off to anyone having the seats (if i was in the seats).

What a total couple of dousches, i would have of taken photos of them and done my best to irritate them the whole way.

What type of people were they? age group etc?

lol Seriously what kind of douche would do that? I think anyone with a shred of decency would let people have the seats.

I had a seat. I was about 3 groups of seats further down the carriage. It was only 5 minutes before the train left Kings X it suddenly got mega busy.

They were in their early 30's and the guy certainly looked like he might be a bit handy if it came down to it.

It just happened that noone in the vicinity lost their temper enough for it to kickoff.

I'm not sure I could have kept calm if I didn't have a seat.

I thought they were joking at first, but it soon became appaent they were serious. I think they were unbelieveably selfish.

lol, no. We decided that however hot these two chicks would be, we would still ultimately have zero percent chance of scoring them. We then mused that it would be much better entertainment EV to get a 30 year old bloke with a racingpost under his arm for a chat over crooked italian footy. or chompy's column.

as for OP im in team "let them sit down"

would u let them sit down if the had just the d cup?

chances of seeing this on TV at some point as part of a social experiment? I just can't imagine anyone doing that for real.

When i used to get the bus if there were only single seats left and someone had put there bag on the seat next to them i would specifically go for that one just to be awkward. You find all the decent people would pick their bag off the seat when you got on to indicate it was available, the not so decent would do their best to ignore you.

was they chinese and couldnt understand english

I'd go as low as an A cup tbh if there were fit!

Yep that tilts me so hard when people decide to use the other seat as a luggage rack. I notice that a lot, hate to say it (and by that I mean I don't) but more often that not its a young woman who is guilty of such a crime.

There, i said it.

I often use seats as luggage racks.

This is mainly because I can't actually reach the luggage racks tho :)

If you don't want someone to sit beside you the best thing to do is; look them straight in the eye as they approach, smile and pat the seat.

how about just double d's?

pretty much my first thoughts.

homeister any cup size is ok for me! I just love boobs!

fyp

Tip for you Girgy - if you stopped banging on about how much you like boobs like some kind of creepy perve you might actually be in with a slightly better chance of seeing some real ones at some point :D

this

sexual frustration ITT

Incred thread.

This is like the last time though when the Camel was on a bus, why are you using public transport?

lol QFT.

Driving home takes 5 hours.

Train takes 2 1/2 hours and I can play internet poker (and drink) all the way home (as long as I get a seat lol)

There sure is always reserved tickets on top of the seat,I said if there where loads of empty seats i.e you could just sit in the row behind so it would make no difference siiting there.

meh - I just came on to call Girgy a sick puppy (again) but the posts have gone!

FYP

did you really feel like i was bullying you? was just a bit of banter (hence the smilie :D) - sorry if I offended x

Twas a joke Claire ;)

phew. I never know anymore!

anyway, now that's cleared up, you are a sick, sick puppy!

why should I sit in the row behind when you're sat in my reserved seat?

FYP.

If I've booked a seat, I've booked that seat.  Why should someone else have the right to sit in it and make me hunt around for another similar seat?

As for the OP, I can't imagine any decent people not giving up unused seats to people who would otherwise have to stand.  That's just ridiculous.

this made me lolz

The "fuck everyone else" attitude of the persons on the train not giving up the seats is appalling IMO.

I'd give up the spare seats to people who I deemed most needy, ie someone old, pregnant person etc......it's all down to manners.  I don't know how they can fkin sleep at night the selfish fuckers.

Rant over.

Oh and before anyone says "what if the train was full of scumbags and chavs" etc...I'd still give up the spare seats....but to the persons who politely asked first!

What if nobody did, what if they all just demanded it?

Did The Camel get the quarter to rude train, from Rude Town, Rude County to Rudeville, Nomannershire?

London to Inverness EC train...probably.

sigh, I give up. Going back in my box now.

Situation ripe for fun and games imo. Truth be told I wouldn't care much about the seat thing, but whenever there is a common villain there is the oppurtunity to recruit fellow passengers and have them rally to the cause of juvenile antics.

You get people to enquire as to whether the seat is taken or not at strategic 2-4 minute intervals so Bono, his cap and the rest of the band have to spend the whole journey flpping their arms, waving their tickets in the air and saying "go ask the guard go ask the guard"

Meanwhile, your right hand man stands next to the table and repeats everything the villains say in the same way a 4 year old would trying to wind up an older sibling. Two of your leutenants stand pointing their mobile phones at the scene pretending to film (or actually filming, it matters not a lot)

After 60 miles of this, if Mrs Goggins isn't sitting down in the spare seat, I'd be very surprised.




 

wouldn't happen, as I believe that there's still 1 or 2 decent people left in society (but not many more!)

So, anyway, did the seats get taken in the end???

Can't wait for this one....or do we know already?

Meh i just drink and drive and put sky sports on the iphone/satnav

Incread thread!!

Film them ftw!!

Thinking on the train just now this is exploitable