Title: Line check Post by: david3103 on April 26, 2010, 11:31:12 AM £40+£20+£20 at Casino - only 10 runners, 2 of whom joined late
It's not the highest standard (which explains me playing it) and there's a lot of limping going on. 100/200, 8 at the table at this point. I have c24,000 chips having been the beneficiary of a first hand shove by Villain here when he called my preflop raise with AQ and got it all in on a Q high flop v my AA and moved on nicely from there anyway... Villain has c7,000 4 Limpers round to my BB and I make it 1200 with Kc Ks Villain and one other calls Flop is Td Qd 8h I lead out for 3900.... Villain calls leaving himself about 1,700 back Non diamond non straight card on turn, can't recall what iit was, but it didn't connect with anything I put him all in 50p? Is this just a bad beat or should I be shoving the flop? I can't put him on any hand that's beating me on the flop. Title: Re: Line check Post by: MC on April 26, 2010, 11:52:48 AM (http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:RoXznAwwLiuWAM:http://www.samknows.com/broadband/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/50p.jpg)
I don't really understand what you're asking. You think we can check fold the turn? Our 3900 flop bet is effectively putting him all-in. The turn card is irrelevant, unless it's the queen of diamonds or something. Title: Re: Line check Post by: david3103 on April 26, 2010, 12:53:33 PM Too much on flop?
The other caller folded, i'm in front of him too so do I want him in maybe having hit a small part of the flop? Title: Re: Line check Post by: kinboshi on April 26, 2010, 01:53:12 PM The flop bet's fine, you're making sure you get him to commit to his whole stack.
If he hits, then unlucky. Title: Re: Line check Post by: kinboshi on April 26, 2010, 01:53:37 PM (http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:RoXznAwwLiuWAM:http://www.samknows.com/broadband/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/50p.jpg) I don't really understand what you're asking. You think we can check fold the turn? Our 3900 flop bet is effectively putting him all-in. The turn card is irrelevant, unless it's the queen of diamonds or something. I hate these decks with two Qd - always makes things difficult. Title: Re: Line check Post by: MC on April 26, 2010, 02:36:16 PM The flop bet's fine, you're making sure you get him to commit to his whole stack. If he hits, then unlucky. Exactly. Actually Kin, the King of clubs on the turn would be more troublesome. Lolz. Title: Re: Line check Post by: Cf on April 26, 2010, 02:41:23 PM (http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:RoXznAwwLiuWAM:http://www.samknows.com/broadband/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/50p.jpg) I don't really understand what you're asking. You think we can check fold the turn? Our 3900 flop bet is effectively putting him all-in. The turn card is irrelevant, unless it's the queen of diamonds or something. I hate these decks with two Qd - always makes things difficult. Nah. If the other guy has better than us on the flop then we get our monies back. Title: Re: Line check Post by: GreekStein on April 26, 2010, 02:47:22 PM The flop bet's fine, you're making sure you get him to commit to his whole stack. If he hits, then unlucky. No, the flop bet is too much. Title: Re: Line check Post by: EvilPie on April 26, 2010, 03:27:02 PM The flop bet's fine, you're making sure you get him to commit to his whole stack. If he hits, then unlucky. No, the flop bet is too much. Pot is 4300 so it's not too bad. Personally though in multi way pots as oppo has only committed 1200 so far I like to go 2200 to induce a shove from the drawing hands or random heroes bluffing. Doesn't matter what the turn brings we're never passing given our stack and oppos so we're looking to suck him in rather than price him out. Oh and you didn't put him all in on the turn. Only he can put himself all in. You bet sufficient to cover his stack. He put himself all in. Title: Re: Line check Post by: kinboshi on April 26, 2010, 05:06:04 PM The flop bet's fine, you're making sure you get him to commit to his whole stack. If he hits, then unlucky. No, the flop bet is too much. Pot is 4300 so it's not too bad. Personally though in multi way pots as oppo has only committed 1200 so far I like to go 2200 to induce a shove from the drawing hands or random heroes bluffing. Doesn't matter what the turn brings we're never passing given our stack and oppos so we're looking to suck him in rather than price him out. Oh and you didn't put him all in on the turn. Only he can put himself all in. You bet sufficient to cover his stack. He put himself all in. Even if you say "I put you all-in"? Title: Re: Line check Post by: kinboshi on April 26, 2010, 05:07:25 PM The flop bet's fine, you're making sure you get him to commit to his whole stack. If he hits, then unlucky. No, the flop bet is too much. With two others in the hand, I'd probably go for about 3K here, but don't think 3.9K here is massively too much. Title: Re: Line check Post by: gatso on April 26, 2010, 05:10:30 PM fml agreeing with kin twice in a day. of course we can put the villain all in
strange thread this one Title: Re: Line check Post by: GreekStein on April 26, 2010, 05:22:13 PM I like to bet about 1900 here :)
Title: Re: Line check Post by: EvilPie on April 26, 2010, 05:29:21 PM How can you put me all in?
That's my decision surely? It's terrible use of the English language and a poorly structured sentence. Title: Re: Line check Post by: EvilPie on April 26, 2010, 05:31:44 PM I like to bet about 1900 here :) Beautiful bet size. Force them to come along because you're betting less than half pot. It tilts people because they think you're trying to nick the pot on the cheap and is great for inducing a shove. Betting 3700 tells your opponents that you're going nowhere because you have a big hand and stops them making a mistake by bluff shoving. Title: Re: Line check Post by: kinboshi on April 26, 2010, 05:48:10 PM How can you put me all in? That's my decision surely? It's terrible use of the English language and a poorly structured sentence. I put you all-in. Title: Re: Line check Post by: George2Loose on April 26, 2010, 05:48:17 PM fold pre
Title: Re: Line check Post by: outragous76 on April 26, 2010, 05:52:35 PM Even if you say "I put you all-in"? live tell apparently Title: Re: Line check Post by: david3103 on April 26, 2010, 06:19:42 PM Interesting though the debate about who puts who all in may be. . .
I bet 3,000 on the turn and expected the call. It was the flop action I was most interested in and am waiting for a consensus opinion to emerge :) Title: Re: Line check Post by: nirvana on April 26, 2010, 06:49:12 PM On the flop I would say to villain
I put you half in Title: Re: Line check Post by: EvilPie on April 26, 2010, 06:55:04 PM On the flop I would say to villain I put you half in I like this line. Rather than bet ourselves let's just say to oppo "I'll bet 2200 of your chips" Could make significant savings by using his chips instead of ours. Title: Re: Line check Post by: kinboshi on April 26, 2010, 06:56:05 PM On the flop I would say to villain I put you half in ...or, I half put you in. As for the flop bet, I don't mind it too much. I'd probably go for around the 3K mark myself, and be happy to get one caller (and put him all-in). Title: Re: Line check Post by: nirvana on April 26, 2010, 07:04:37 PM On the flop I would say to villain I put you half in I like this line. Rather than bet ourselves let's just say to oppo "I'll bet 2200 of your chips" Could make significant savings by using his chips instead of ours. lol |