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this is from ipoker $100r satty, post rebuy stage. not many runners and a small overlay so only 1 seat. around 20 ppl left im 2/20. jaffa has only joined the table 2-3 hands ago neither of us have played a hand and but we've played quite abit before.

hand 1:

blinds 40/80. i open the co w/TT to 200 out of 13k stack. jeff peels the button out of 5k stack and blinds fold.

flop  Qc 5d 2h i elect to check. villain bets 320, i call.

turn  9d we both check

river  Ts i lead 960 into 1.1k villain raises to 3520 leaving 1k back

pretty sure my line is shit on every street here. really disappointed with how i played it


hand 2:

very next hand. i open the hijack with KK to 200 and jeff calls the cutoff. the sb calls too covering both of us.

flop  Jh 3h 5d sb checks i bet 400 into 680, jeff insta calls sb folds.

turn  3d i bet 1200, he calls again pretty quickly.

river  Jd i bet 2640 into 3.8k, villain shoves for 7.4k

upto river this is obv std, at the time i was thinking i could get called really light here because of history, my reputation and what just happened the last hand. felt i could get looked up by Ax/5x/pp's. it's complicated because while he obv has Jx a fair bit i'm kicking myself when he checks back those hands i feel i can get value from :/

flame away

Chris edit this imo because we know from the first hand you called and lost which will affect people's thinking imo.

Hand 2 I check/call the river.

i guess he doubled up through you in hand 1, to be able to shove for 7.5k in hand two.

but i think just putting him in for extra 1k/calling is fine. could easily of flopped a set, checked turn to get 2 streets of value. if he bets 99 does he 100% bet turn?

meh uv both referred to it now so no point editing

people should try and think about hands regardless of the results anyway, any1 who doesn't is doing it wrong

welcome to blonde.

Mantis will now tell you to fold hand 1

I shove on hand 1. I played hand with him once where he VB 4 card Q high flush and folded to a shove obv knowing I don't shove with less than his hand. So based on the face I know he is perfectly capable of committing himself and folding I'm happy to think I'm always ahead

This is so true,the Tikay style of Hand Analysis' is by far the best way imo,unless your laptop breaks midway through then people get a bit tetchy :)

Hand 1 I call. If he has luckboxed KJ pretty much FYL you beat the rest of his entire range.

Hand 2 I'd just check fold. He surely folds hearts on the turn so you beat nothing on the river imo.

hand one i shove the only hand beating you is KJ (if he had qq i will eat my hat)
hand two check fold river they always have it here IMHO

hand 1-UL.
hand 2-i would check the river. As previous poster said, you are unlikely to be called by a hand that you are beating.

Hand 1 - I would cbet, not sure why you don't. Check turn with intention of calling. Check jam river.
Hand 2 - Check-call

sigh fold hand 1

sigh fold hand 2, love the line thou

i think ur line is fine in hand 2, bet folding river is best imooo. with ur aggro image ur gunna get flatted by any pair probs, but some of these he may just check behind, so ur getting more value by betting rather than checking i think.

Snap fold both. It's not close either, just annoying spots.

we get alot of these spots posted where the good players on here will bet fold a river (and I understanmd the logic). Does that not become really exploitable?

It's not exploitable because no-one exploits it!

Our river bet sizing and the fact he still raises is reason why hand 1 is always a snap fold

but if i am in a pot with you its a good play thou (to bluff jam)?

yeah try and bluff dubai when he has more than 1 pair. Let me know how that one works out for you

Cos. Edit this imo because we know from this post that even if Chris edited the HH that he actually lost which will affect people's thinking.

Much more inclined to call hand 1, dont think im good enough to fold this.

Hand 2 is pretty easy fold I would say, even calling a bet if we check is not certain.

Chris I'm confused, when u said u put some hands up I certainly didn't think hand 2 would be one, pretty standard I got lucky on river and didn't have u on such a big hand so would probs pay u off if river doesn't come...surely the 77 hand would be far more interesting?

ya if you noted op time of posting we were mid game and the 77 hand hadn't even happened yet!

hand 1, call, he can be vraising worse and it looks trivial. hand 2 is one of the most interesting iv seen for a while and although i like bet folding in principle, this exact board runout has me worrying about having a wide vbetting range, given our bet calling range is pathetic in combos compared to our betfolding range.

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we bet fold a lot of hands.

we bet call very few.

This isnt cash. Basically the theory is sound but none of it applies to this hand. You are WAY WAY WAY overestimating how many hands he value raises with given our bet size on the river in a SATELLITE MTT.

And worrying about balancing our range on the river etc is just a waste of thought in hand 2. People DONT exploit unbalanced ranges here.

So nice post Alex in theory but its just simply not applicable

Pretty confused by a couple of statements on here - Dubai saying fold the 1st one and it not even being close? and Alex saying the 2nd hand is by far the most interesting hand he's seen in ages?

I know Jeff's game fairly well and can't see what he can have that beats us in 1 (even though I assume we lost), I would definitely be calling, and 2 just seems standard (although could argue that check call may be better in some circumstances than bet fold)

I still dont think its close for the reasons stated. He has a near 0 bluffing range, and if you could give me a realistic raising for value range that we beat then go for it.. but i cant believe given our betsizing it contains much if anything at all!

Hand 1 I think whether to lead or not depends how comfortable you are playing a big pot with second pair. This is obv a great flop to cbet all of your air and he knows that, so if you get check raised you're gunna have to at least peel out of position or maybe 3bet. As played I personally prefer leading this flop but I don't think c/c is necessarily a mistake.

Once you c/c the flop you're kinda forced to check the turn. Leading kinda turns your hand into a bluff really. Can't see much that you're getting value from and if you're ahead he probably only has 5 or 6 outs so protection isn't really an issue.

River I'm not sure why you lead so big when given his line his range looks pretty weak. I guess this betsize could induce some bluffs and we're obv never folding so your river betsize depends largely on how often you think he'll bluff raise the river imo. I probably just bet 680ish to try and get a crying call out of 9x and maybe some ace highs. I haven't really played with the guy so I'm readless but I assume he's pretty good.


Second hand I like your sizing every street, but I think the river is another 100% read-dependant spot. Do you think he's capable of bluff shoving the river thinking that you were just tilt barelling every street and that you obv can't have a J because it paired up the river. It really does look like a sweet spot to bluff because the only hand you're really happy about calling with is Jx but I don't give many people enough credit to pull  the bluff like that here. Again I don't know the guy but he's gunna have to be pretty creative for me to want to look him up here.

" I guess this betsize could induce some bluffs "

Er what???

Chris' line looks pretty weak, his value range is really really narrow on this river. We know that villain is a thinking player so should be bluffing some % of the time in this spot

If some % means almost 0 then I agree

didn't mean that to sound rude but you are just wrong. Being exploitable and being exploited are two way different things.

You only need to look back in this thread and see how many people want to second set to tell you that you should be bluffing a non-zero %age of the time here

No one folds in reality. Theory and reality are also way different and it's because no one folds that he is never ever ever bluffing especially given the raise size. Trust me, you are wrong.

Yeah this - no one folds.

But equally nobody really bluffs here in reality, so in reality its a fold. But you would agree that just as a theoretical point, when hero is folding TT some %age of the time then villain should be bluffing a %age of the time, no?