Back to back hands vs JaffaCake in WSOP satty

[Dubai]

It's not exploitable because no-one exploits it!

Our river bet sizing and the fact he still raises is reason why hand 1 is always a snap fold

[outragous76]

It's not exploitable because no-one exploits it!

Our river bet sizing and the fact he still raises is reason why hand 1 is always a snap fold

but if i am in a pot with you its a good play thou (to bluff jam)?

[GreekStein]

It's not exploitable because no-one exploits it!

Our river bet sizing and the fact he still raises is reason why hand 1 is always a snap fold

but if i am in a pot with you its a good play thou (to bluff jam)?

yeah try and bluff dubai when he has more than 1 pair. Let me know how that one works out for you

[EvilPie]

Chris edit this imo because we know from the first hand you called and lost which will affect people's thinking imo.

Hand 2 I check/call the river.

Cos. Edit this imo because we know from this post that even if Chris edited the HH that he actually lost which will affect people's thinking.

[TheChipPrince]

Much more inclined to call hand 1, dont think im good enough to fold this.

Hand 2 is pretty easy fold I would say, even calling a bet if we check is not certain.

[JaffaCake]

Chris I'm confused, when u said u put some hands up I certainly didn't think hand 2 would be one, pretty standard I got lucky on river and didn't have u on such a big hand so would probs pay u off if river doesn't come...surely the 77 hand would be far more interesting?

[NigDawG]

Chris I'm confused, when u said u put some hands up I certainly didn't think hand 2 would be one, pretty standard I got lucky on river and didn't have u on such a big hand so would probs pay u off if river doesn't come...surely the 77 hand would be far more interesting?

ya if you noted op time of posting we were mid game and the 77 hand hadn't even happened yet!

[AlexMartin]

hand 1, call, he can be vraising worse and it looks trivial. hand 2 is one of the most interesting iv seen for a while and although i like bet folding in principle, this exact board runout has me worrying about having a wide vbetting range, given our bet calling range is pathetic in combos compared to our betfolding range.

[Skgv]

hand 1, call, he can be vraising worse and it looks trivial. hand 2 is one of the most interesting iv seen for a while and although i like bet folding in principle, this exact board runout has me worrying about having a wide vbetting range, given our bet calling range is pathetic in combos compared to our betfolding range.

Speak ______ english for the old school Numpty.........

[AlexMartin]

hand 1, call, he can be vraising worse and it looks trivial. hand 2 is one of the most interesting iv seen for a while and although i like bet folding in principle, this exact board runout has me worrying about having a wide vbetting range, given our bet calling range is pathetic in combos compared to our betfolding range.

Speak ______ english for the old school Numpty.........

we bet fold a lot of hands.

we bet call very few.

[Skgv]

hand 1, call, he can be vraising worse and it looks trivial. hand 2 is one of the most interesting iv seen for a while and although i like bet folding in principle, this exact board runout has me worrying about having a wide vbetting range, given our bet calling range is pathetic in combos compared to our betfolding range.

Speak ______ english for the old school Numpty.........

we bet fold a lot of hands.

we bet call very few.


[/quoterofl u was suppose to bite ! Not be all sincere !

[Dubai]

hand 1, call, he can be vraising worse and it looks trivial. hand 2 is one of the most interesting iv seen for a while and although i like bet folding in principle, this exact board runout has me worrying about having a wide vbetting range, given our bet calling range is pathetic in combos compared to our betfolding range.

This isnt cash. Basically the theory is sound but none of it applies to this hand. You are WAY WAY WAY overestimating how many hands he value raises with given our bet size on the river in a SATELLITE MTT.

And worrying about balancing our range on the river etc is just a waste of thought in hand 2. People DONT exploit unbalanced ranges here.

So nice post Alex in theory but its just simply not applicable

[Dry em]

Pretty confused by a couple of statements on here - Dubai saying fold the 1st one and it not even being close? and Alex saying the 2nd hand is by far the most interesting hand he's seen in ages?

I know Jeff's game fairly well and can't see what he can have that beats us in 1 (even though I assume we lost), I would definitely be calling, and 2 just seems standard (although could argue that check call may be better in some circumstances than bet fold)

[Dubai]

I still dont think its close for the reasons stated. He has a near 0 bluffing range, and if you could give me a realistic raising for value range that we beat then go for it.. but i cant believe given our betsizing it contains much if anything at all!

[DMorgan]

Hand 1 I think whether to lead or not depends how comfortable you are playing a big pot with second pair. This is obv a great flop to cbet all of your air and he knows that, so if you get check raised you're gunna have to at least peel out of position or maybe 3bet. As played I personally prefer leading this flop but I don't think c/c is necessarily a mistake.

Once you c/c the flop you're kinda forced to check the turn. Leading kinda turns your hand into a bluff really. Can't see much that you're getting value from and if you're ahead he probably only has 5 or 6 outs so protection isn't really an issue.

River I'm not sure why you lead so big when given his line his range looks pretty weak. I guess this betsize could induce some bluffs and we're obv never folding so your river betsize depends largely on how often you think he'll bluff raise the river imo. I probably just bet 680ish to try and get a crying call out of 9x and maybe some ace highs. I haven't really played with the guy so I'm readless but I assume he's pretty good.


Second hand I like your sizing every street, but I think the river is another 100% read-dependant spot. Do you think he's capable of bluff shoving the river thinking that you were just tilt barelling every street and that you obv can't have a J because it paired up the river. It really does look like a sweet spot to bluff because the only hand you're really happy about calling with is Jx but I don't give many people enough credit to pull  the bluff like that here. Again I don't know the guy but he's gunna have to be pretty creative for me to want to look him up here.