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Title: Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2? Post by: T_Mar on July 17, 2010, 10:06:18 PM 40buck turbo, payouts roughly 1900, 1300, 1000
Should I be shoving 100% of hands here??? PokerStars Game #46898843347: Tournament #290502161, $40+$4 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVIII (4000/8000) - 2010/07/17 20:47:51 WET [2010/07/17 15:47:51 ET] Table '290502161 14' 9-max Seat #5 is the button Seat 5: MARDI BARDI (24690 in chips) Seat 8: T_Mar79 (108416 in chips) Seat 9: Eenuk233 (214894 in chips) MARDI BARDI: posts the ante 1000 T_Mar79: posts the ante 1000 Eenuk233: posts the ante 1000 T_Mar79: posts small blind 4000 Eenuk233: posts big blind 8000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to T_Mar79 X X MARDI BARDI: folds T_Mar79: ??? Title: Re: Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2? Post by: MC on July 17, 2010, 10:09:06 PM Definitely not
Title: Re: Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2? Post by: T_Mar on July 17, 2010, 10:11:11 PM Title: Re: Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2? Post by: MC on July 17, 2010, 10:14:40 PM ICMaments Shortie has 3 big blinds and is in the big blind next hand. Big stack can call us knowing he's still highly likely to finish at least 2nd. We're risking a very likely 2nd to risk busting out in third... Title: Re: Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2? Post by: gatso on July 17, 2010, 10:19:28 PM could probs argue that passing 100%>>>shoving 100%
Title: Re: Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2? Post by: T_Mar on July 17, 2010, 10:19:39 PM ICMaments Shortie has 3 big blinds and is in the big blind next hand. Big stack can call us knowing he's still highly likely to finish at least 2nd. We're risking a very likely 2nd to risk busting out in third... Doesn't he fold ridic high % of time though, given shortstack.... i prob way off here tbh, sigh would it make a difference if our stacks were equal ? Title: Re: Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2? Post by: T_Mar on July 17, 2010, 10:24:28 PM so how wide (or narrow as its looking like it should be) should i be shoving??? range pls?
Title: Re: Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2? Post by: MC on July 17, 2010, 10:29:31 PM ICMaments Shortie has 3 big blinds and is in the big blind next hand. Big stack can call us knowing he's still highly likely to finish at least 2nd. We're risking a very likely 2nd to risk busting out in third... Doesn't he fold ridic high % of time though, given shortstack.... i prob way off here tbh, sigh would it make a difference if our stacks were equal ? Yeah def makes a difference if his stack is same as ours and less than 15bbs deep SNG Wiz will give you a decent range in this spot. It's gonna depend on your perception of villain how wide you can shove. Title: Re: Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2? Post by: Turophile on July 18, 2010, 03:42:42 AM Walk him 95% of the time here I feel.
The payouts are worth working together (or rather dictate that you should) strand the shorty. I admire your agressive thinking, it's the just wrong spot. Situational blah de blah... I would guess you shoved your 13 bigs light and got called light, & then felt sad. Title: Re: Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2? Post by: T_Mar on July 18, 2010, 07:11:50 AM Walk him 95% of the time here I feel. The payouts are worth working together (or rather dictate that you should) strand the shorty. I admire your agressive thinking, it's the just wrong spot. Situational blah de blah... I would guess you shoved your 13 bigs light and got called light, & then felt sad. [ ] Felt sad Title: Re: Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2? Post by: thetank on July 18, 2010, 11:15:25 AM [ x ] binked and got called names?
Title: Re: Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2? Post by: Longy on July 18, 2010, 01:12:59 PM Reads on the bb are crucial here as the ICM effect of getting called with the shortie are pretty big.
As a default I would probably be shipping about top 30% here but would happily ship wider with a read. Title: Re: Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2? Post by: T_Mar on July 18, 2010, 06:36:09 PM Title: Re: Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2? Post by: T_Mar on July 18, 2010, 06:40:10 PM Looks like I made pretty big mistake, sigh
Note to self, stop being a lazy fecker and learn ICM properly Title: Re: Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2? Post by: DMorgan on July 18, 2010, 08:21:30 PM Totally player dependant. If you think that you're gunna get snapped off by 44 and K9 then you should be shoving pretty tight.
I much prefer raise/folding than shoving in this spot, assuming that the guy isn't good enough to just jam 100% over our raise or bad enough to flat us a lot. Title: Re: Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2? Post by: George2Loose on July 18, 2010, 08:26:27 PM Totally player dependant. If you think that you're gunna get snapped off by 44 and K9 then you should be shoving pretty tight. I much prefer raise/folding than shoving in this spot, assuming that the guy isn't good enough to just jam 100% over our raise or bad enough to flat us a lot. Don't like raise folding for the reason you gave- if he is competent he is sticking it in our eye Title: Re: Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2? Post by: DMorgan on July 19, 2010, 02:15:10 AM We can't auto assume that a random in a $40 turbo is decent imo. obv by this stage, OP should know either way
Title: Re: Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2? Post by: piestack on July 19, 2010, 01:31:47 PM anyone who knows how to do this icm malarky, can you look at what range bb should be calling with if sb ships (as it varies from maybe top 10%, 30%, 50% and 100%)?
i would guess it's close to 100% but i may be very wrong. Title: Re: Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2? Post by: MC on July 19, 2010, 02:02:35 PM anyone who knows how to do this icm malarky, can you look at what range bb should be calling with if sb ships (as it varies from maybe top 10%, 30%, 50% and 100%)? i would guess it's close to 100% but i may be very wrong. Level? Title: Re: Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2? Post by: EvilPie on July 19, 2010, 02:19:35 PM anyone who knows how to do this icm malarky, can you look at what range bb should be calling with if sb ships (as it varies from maybe top 10%, 30%, 50% and 100%)? i would guess it's close to 100% but i may be very wrong. Level? Don't see why. Surely it's a snap with 45 sooooted. Title: Re: Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2? Post by: DMorgan on July 19, 2010, 06:06:45 PM obv a pretty gross metagame spot....
Title: Re: Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2? Post by: SuuPRlim on July 23, 2010, 07:04:29 PM Totally player dependant. If you think that you're gunna get snapped off by 44 and K9 then you should be shoving pretty tight. I much prefer raise/folding than shoving in this spot, assuming that the guy isn't good enough to just jam 100% over our raise or bad enough to flat us a lot. make it 16000 and fold if he shoves. Chances are he will shove or fold incorrectly and you auto-profit. |