Last 3 with one very shortstack.. shove any 2?

[T_Mar]

40buck turbo, payouts roughly 1900, 1300, 1000

Should I be shoving 100% of hands here???


PokerStars Game #46898843347: Tournament #290502161, $40+$4 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVIII (4000/8000) - 2010/07/17 20:47:51 WET [2010/07/17 15:47:51 ET]
Table '290502161 14' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 5: MARDI BARDI (24690 in chips)
Seat 8: T_Mar79 (108416 in chips)
Seat 9: Eenuk233 (214894 in chips)
MARDI BARDI: posts the ante 1000
T_Mar79: posts the ante 1000
Eenuk233: posts the ante 1000
T_Mar79: posts small blind 4000
Eenuk233: posts big blind 8000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to T_Mar79 X X
MARDI BARDI: folds
T_Mar79: 

[MC]

Definitely not

[T_Mar]

Definitely not

Reason?

[MC]

Definitely not

Reason?

ICMaments

Shortie has 3 big blinds and is in the big blind next hand.

Big stack can call us knowing he's still highly likely to finish at least 2nd. We're risking a very likely 2nd to risk busting out in third...

[gatso]

could probs argue that passing 100%>>>shoving 100%

[T_Mar]

Definitely not

Reason?

ICMaments

Shortie has 3 big blinds and is in the big blind next hand.

Big stack can call us knowing he's still highly likely to finish at least 2nd. We're risking a very likely 2nd to risk busting out in third...

Doesn't he fold ridic high % of time though, given shortstack.... i prob way off here tbh, sigh

would it make a difference if our stacks were equal ?

[T_Mar]

so how wide (or narrow as its looking like it should be) should i be shoving??? range pls?

[MC]

Definitely not

Reason?

ICMaments

Shortie has 3 big blinds and is in the big blind next hand.

Big stack can call us knowing he's still highly likely to finish at least 2nd. We're risking a very likely 2nd to risk busting out in third...

Doesn't he fold ridic high % of time though, given shortstack.... i prob way off here tbh, sigh

would it make a difference if our stacks were equal ?

Yeah def makes a difference if his stack is same as ours and less than 15bbs deep

SNG Wiz will give you a decent range in this spot. It's gonna depend on your perception of villain how wide you can shove.

[Turophile]

Walk him 95% of the time here I feel.

The payouts are worth working together (or rather dictate that you should) strand the shorty.
 
I admire your agressive thinking, it's the just wrong spot. Situational blah de blah...

I would guess you shoved your 13 bigs light and got called light, & then felt sad.

[T_Mar]

Walk him 95% of the time here I feel.

The payouts are worth working together (or rather dictate that you should) strand the shorty.
 
I admire your agressive thinking, it's the just wrong spot. Situational blah de blah...

I would guess you shoved your 13 bigs light and got called light, & then felt sad.

[  ]  Felt sad

[thetank]

[ x ] binked and got called names?

[Longy]

Reads on the bb are crucial here as the ICM effect of getting called with the shortie are pretty big.

As a default I would probably be shipping about top 30% here but would happily ship wider with a read.

[T_Mar]

[ x ] binked and got called names?

sadly not

[T_Mar]

Looks like I made pretty big mistake, sigh

Note to self, stop being a lazy fecker and learn ICM properly

[DMorgan]

Totally player dependant. If you think that you're gunna get snapped off by 44 and K9 then you should be shoving pretty tight.

I much prefer raise/folding than shoving in this spot, assuming that the guy isn't good enough to just jam 100% over our raise or bad enough to flat us a lot.