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Title: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: GreekStein on July 28, 2010, 02:36:04 AM Full Tilt Poker Game #22642070754: Table Armel (6 max, shallow) - $2/$4 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 21:19:10 ET - 2010/07/27
Seat 1: paulee911 ($256.95) Seat 2: jum_jum1 ($497.70) Seat 3: bbangsangman ($0), is sitting out Seat 4: patthecat40 ($166.60) Seat 5: Auspicious ($189.60), is sitting out Seat 6: GreekStein ($285) paulee911 posts the small blind of $2 jum_jum1 posts the big blind of $4 The button is in seat #6 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to GreekStein [7h 6s Ac 8s] patthecat40 folds GreekStein raises to $14 paulee911 folds jum_jum1 calls $10 *** FLOP *** [4s Td 3c] jum_jum1 checks GreekStein has 15 seconds left to act GreekStein checks *** TURN *** [4s Td 3c] [9c] jum_jum1 bets $30 GreekStein has 15 seconds left to act GreekStein calls $30 *** RIVER *** [4s Td 3c 9c] [8c] jum_jum1 bets $90 GreekStein.................... Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: celtic on July 28, 2010, 02:38:14 AM I'm not very good at omaha, only been playing a week or two. I make a fold here.
Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: GreekStein on July 28, 2010, 02:39:52 AM he snap bet 90 too.
Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: Woodsey on July 28, 2010, 02:50:34 AM Fold, I need specific info that he is likely to fold to consider bluffing it, have done my bollocks in the past trying to ship with the bare Ace, imo you get called often enough when you have it to save it for those spots. Worst he has a bigger straight imo so you can't just call..........
I would actually fold on the turn tbh, hate calling a pot sized bet with the arse end of the draw with the flush draw out there. By the way I know damn well you shipped on the river, you can't help yourself......... :D Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: Amatay on July 28, 2010, 02:58:14 AM pot it on the river.
Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: Woodsey on July 28, 2010, 02:59:37 AM pot it on the river. Cos bluffs a lot, if he's played with those guys a lot they will know that.......... Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: Amatay on July 28, 2010, 03:04:25 AM in which case its a toughie. Does he snap v bet river. if he think cos is a bluffy player then why doesnt he check with a flush on the river to induce. maybe he missed some funky draw involving the 43 on the flop and saw the riv as a perfect bluffin card.
Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: Amatay on July 28, 2010, 03:10:02 AM i actually bet the flop alot on this board aswell
Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: DMorgan on July 28, 2010, 03:25:36 AM I definitely cbet the flop. You've only got a gutshot and ace high and its a pretty dry board so I think that firing the flop for 22 is your best option.
Turn is a fold for me. Drawing to non-nut straights on flush draw boards is pretty iffy, especially when he pots it As played I fold the river aswell. You're not deep enough to full pot it and have enough fold equity with the bare ace to get him off any flush imo Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: Amatay on July 28, 2010, 03:50:04 AM yeh, maybe potting the riv is iffy given stacks, didnt realise u were sooo shallow. if he does have a flush he prolly sigh calls. c betting the flop might get you a free card on turn then the hand dynamic changes alot
Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: SuuPRlim on July 28, 2010, 04:39:11 AM In this situation I call the river.
Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: EvilPie on July 28, 2010, 12:34:09 PM pot it on the river. Cos bluffs a lot, if he's played with those guys a lot they will know that.......... If that's the case this is a good spot for a value raise. Not saying I'd do this btw cus I wouldn't have got as far as the river. Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: EvilPie on July 28, 2010, 12:41:21 PM Fold turn you big f**king fish!!!!
Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: SuuPRlim on July 28, 2010, 12:51:33 PM Fold turn you big f**king fish!!!! O ye, this aswel, doubt id fold the river though as played Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: boldie on July 28, 2010, 12:57:28 PM wow, u really mangled this.
bet flop please. Fold turn as played. don't even think about the river, you shouldn't even be there. Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: ACE2M on July 28, 2010, 01:03:34 PM whats your image? whats your take on him?
terrible pre flop raise imo, ditch that junk, can't see how that flop is not damn near perfect for cbet assuming your not playing way too tight pre. only uber nit and non flush is folding to the raise here with 3/1 on the call Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: GreekStein on July 28, 2010, 01:25:04 PM I think betting flop is definitely a valid option. I would most of the time here but I'd been c-betting a lot of flops and didn't mind checking this back.
With the stack sizes behind, any 5,6 making me the nuts and 7 or 8 making straights too as well as the Ac in my hand I strongly disagree that calling turn is bad here.There aren't many great cards for villain on the river so I can take him off several hands i/p. Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: GreekStein on July 28, 2010, 01:26:10 PM wow, u really mangled this. bet flop please. Fold turn as played. don't even think about the river, you shouldn't even be there. [ ] useful comment. Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: Bas on July 28, 2010, 01:31:22 PM I do think you have to bet the flop just because he's folding a ton and there are quite a few nice barrel cards on turn, as played I like the turn call
as played you have to ship the river I think but it's really close, I mean he's never snap betting river that big for value (weak flushes he's more likely to c/c with, medium to strong flushes he's just gonna bet smaller most of time I imagine), it's what % of time he folds any flush/straights that matter, and I think it's going to be enough with which you can get away with jamming Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: GreekStein on July 28, 2010, 01:41:36 PM I do think you have to bet the flop just because he's folding a ton and there are quite a few nice barrel cards on turn, as played I like the turn call as played you have to ship the river I think but it's really close, I mean he's never snap betting river that big for value (weak flushes he's more likely to c/c with, medium to strong flushes he's just gonna bet smaller most of time I imagine), it's what % of time he folds any flush/straights that matter, and I think it's going to be enough with which you can get away with jamming Cheers Middy. Good post imo. Do you ever see any merit in calling? I don't see why he'd snap bet $90 on that river with a hand that has me beat when I've called in position and have the Ac. Just couldn't understand why he'd turn a made hand like even the nut straight into a bluff there. Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: Bas on July 28, 2010, 01:51:23 PM I do think you have to bet the flop just because he's folding a ton and there are quite a few nice barrel cards on turn, as played I like the turn call as played you have to ship the river I think but it's really close, I mean he's never snap betting river that big for value (weak flushes he's more likely to c/c with, medium to strong flushes he's just gonna bet smaller most of time I imagine), it's what % of time he folds any flush/straights that matter, and I think it's going to be enough with which you can get away with jamming Cheers Middy. Good post imo. Do you ever see any merit in calling? I don't see why he'd snap bet $90 on that river with a hand that has me beat when I've called in position and have the Ac. Just couldn't understand why he'd turn a made hand like even the nut straight into a bluff there. hmmm, I mean a lot of his hands are bluffs but I'm just scared that he could be bluffing with better and just mashing his head against the pot button for no reason anything but folding is fine! Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: GreekStein on July 28, 2010, 02:05:45 PM Full Tilt Poker Game #22642070754: Table Armel (6 max, shallow) - $2/$4 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 21:19:10 ET - 2010/07/27 Seat 1: paulee911 ($256.95) Seat 2: jum_jum1 ($497.70) Seat 3: bbangsangman ($0), is sitting out Seat 4: patthecat40 ($166.60) Seat 5: Auspicious ($189.60), is sitting out Seat 6: GreekStein ($285) paulee911 posts the small blind of $2 jum_jum1 posts the big blind of $4 The button is in seat #6 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to GreekStein [7h 6s Ac 8s] patthecat40 folds GreekStein raises to $14 paulee911 folds jum_jum1 calls $10 *** FLOP *** [4s Td 3c] jum_jum1 checks GreekStein has 15 seconds left to act GreekStein checks *** TURN *** [4s Td 3c] [9c] jum_jum1 bets $30 GreekStein has 15 seconds left to act GreekStein calls $30 *** RIVER *** [4s Td 3c 9c] [8c] jum_jum1 bets $90 GreekStein has 15 seconds left to act GreekStein has been disconnected GreekStein calls $90 GreekStein has reconnected *** SHOW DOWN *** jum_jum1 shows [Qs Qh 6c 7c] a flush, Nine high GreekStein mucks jum_jum1 wins the pot ($268) with a flush, Nine high *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $270 | Rake $2 Board: [4s Td 3c 9c 8c] Seat 1: paulee911 (small blind) folded before the Flop Seat 2: jum_jum1 (big blind) showed [Qs Qh 6c 7c] and won ($268) with a flush, Nine high Seat 3: bbangsangman is sitting out Seat 4: patthecat40 didn't bet (folded) Seat 5: Auspicious is sitting out Seat 6: GreekStein (button) mucked [7h 6s Ac 8s] - a straight, Ten high After this I learned the guy must have been a hold em monkey and eventually stacked him twice. Once where I made a boat on a J8854 board and he wanted to pot pot pot pot pot with 67. The other where I called his raise pre from the bb with AKQ5ss and the flop is 710Jhh. I check he bets pot I call. Turn offsuit K. (Hi der nuts). I check he checks. River is a brick 4. I bet $78, he makes it like $190 and folds when I shove. Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: ACE2M on July 28, 2010, 02:14:04 PM I almost always barrel into a flop check form a pf raisor and you're pretty much oblidged to go for the river also, so many people play AA KK like this and don't want to rollover on the turn.
I like the call here, i don't think he folds many hands you beat unless a complete nit, he's up 2 buyins as well so the hero call is more likely. I think bare ace bluff must be set up on the turn with enough back to pot the river or it tends not to get through. wrote that before you posted the receal. Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: SuuPRlim on July 28, 2010, 03:36:57 PM I do think you have to bet the flop just because he's folding a ton and there are quite a few nice barrel cards on turn, as played I like the turn call as played you have to ship the river I think but it's really close, I mean he's never snap betting river that big for value (weak flushes he's more likely to c/c with, medium to strong flushes he's just gonna bet smaller most of time I imagine), it's what % of time he folds any flush/straights that matter, and I think it's going to be enough with which you can get away with jamming Cheers Middy. Good post imo. Do you ever see any merit in calling? I don't see why he'd snap bet $90 on that river with a hand that has me beat when I've called in position and have the Ac. Just couldn't understand why he'd turn a made hand like even the nut straight into a bluff there. hmmm, I mean a lot of his hands are bluffs but I'm just scared that he could be bluffing with better and just mashing his head against the pot button for no reason anything but folding is fine! I agree. but i dont think he is betting better as a bluff or a merge often enough, compared to the times he snaps u off with the 7flush. Id just call river - wouldnt consider folding. I would imagine it is one of those spots where he make T9 or 999 and doesnt know wat to do so just pots it. I spose tho he could have the same hand as us every once in a while. In which case shoving is defo better.... Actually haveing thought about it, he has so few flush combo's as played, it seems daft to shove, its great for a balance perspective as well that you're not just shoving flushes there + as brunny says he folds weak flushes just about often enough, although i doubt he bet folds a flush all that often, doesnt strike me as that kind of guy. Title: Re: $2/4 Shallow PLO table. What do you do on river? Post by: Skgv on July 28, 2010, 04:32:54 PM Full Tilt Poker Game #22642070754: Table Armel (6 max, shallow) - $2/$4 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 21:19:10 ET - 2010/07/27 Can u stop asking stupid questions u should know the answer to ?Seat 1: paulee911 ($256.95) Seat 2: jum_jum1 ($497.70) Seat 3: bbangsangman ($0), is sitting out Seat 4: patthecat40 ($166.60) Seat 5: Auspicious ($189.60), is sitting out Seat 6: GreekStein ($285) paulee911 posts the small blind of $2 jum_jum1 posts the big blind of $4 The button is in seat #6 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to GreekStein [7h 6s Ac 8s] patthecat40 folds GreekStein raises to $14 paulee911 folds jum_jum1 calls $10 *** FLOP *** [4s Td 3c] jum_jum1 checks GreekStein has 15 seconds left to act GreekStein checks *** TURN *** [4s Td 3c] [9c] jum_jum1 bets $30 GreekStein has 15 seconds left to act GreekStein calls $30 *** RIVER *** [4s Td 3c 9c] [8c] jum_jum1 bets $90 GreekStein.................... |