Title: Is this an easy call or an insta fold ? Post by: the rage on August 06, 2010, 02:50:40 PM Playing in a live tournament last night. Final table. Six handed. Five get paid. First prize is £600. Fith prize is £60.
UTG=48K Hijack=42k Cutoff=100k Button=15K SB=15k BB=30K The blind are 1500 / 3000 no ante. The button appears to be happy to try and fold his way into fith spot. The small blind is an experienced, very competent TAG player. It folds to the small blind who shoves all in for 15k I'm on the BB with approx 30k. I have Ac 3c Should i call or fold? Title: Re: Is this an easy call or an insta fold ? Post by: StuartHopkin on August 06, 2010, 02:52:44 PM Easy call for me.
He should shove about 102% of his range there, so there is a chance your Ac will be good enough, you can muck the other card now. Title: Re: Is this an easy call or an insta fold ? Post by: outragous76 on August 06, 2010, 02:54:24 PM snap
fist pump high five the rest of table.............. you just cashed Title: Re: Is this an easy call or an insta fold ? Post by: Longy on August 06, 2010, 02:56:26 PM Villain wouldn't have finished saying all in, by the time my chips were in the middle.
Title: Re: Is this an easy call or an insta fold ? Post by: Cf on August 06, 2010, 02:58:16 PM It's a call but I think it's close. SB should be shoving 100% but you describe him as TAG so he might only be doing it with something half decent. The lack of antes too might tighten his range too.
Title: Re: Is this an easy call or an insta fold ? Post by: pleno1 on August 06, 2010, 03:11:07 PM hu shootout on saturday. women nit limps btn with 5bbs effective, i shove bb with KQcc, she open folds a10o
Title: Re: Is this an easy call or an insta fold ? Post by: paulhouk03 on August 06, 2010, 03:13:39 PM Can't be that competent if they have 5 bbs
But call u hav an ace Title: Re: Is this an easy call or an insta fold ? Post by: kinboshi on August 06, 2010, 03:46:51 PM Can't be that competent if they have 5 bbs They might have been chip leader the hand before and lost a big pot to the now chip leader? Quote But call u hav an ace Agree with this bit. You're well ahead of their range here. Title: Re: Is this an easy call or an insta fold ? Post by: Cf on August 06, 2010, 03:56:52 PM Can't be that competent if they have 5 bbs They might have been chip leader the hand before and lost a big pot to the now chip leader? Quote But call u hav an ace Agree with this bit. You're well ahead of their range here. Are we really "well ahead"? Not on a windows machine atm so don't have pokerstove but some random online calc says A3s is 57% against 2 random cards. I'm not convinced that in the spot described villain is shoving any two. I'm not saying it's not a call, but I think it's closer than people think. I certainly don't think it's a fistpump call. Title: Re: Is this an easy call or an insta fold ? Post by: kinboshi on August 06, 2010, 05:14:44 PM Can't be that competent if they have 5 bbs They might have been chip leader the hand before and lost a big pot to the now chip leader? Quote But call u hav an ace Agree with this bit. You're well ahead of their range here. Are we really "well ahead"? Not on a windows machine atm so don't have pokerstove but some random online calc says A3s is 57% against 2 random cards. I'm not convinced that in the spot described villain is shoving any two. I'm not saying it's not a call, but I think it's closer than people think. I certainly don't think it's a fistpump call. Sorry, probably should have written - "well ahead of a lot of their range". As for the easy/insta-ness of it, well I don't think any decision should be made like that - although many seem reluctant to take a second to think a decision over, even if it first appears obvious. Title: Re: Is this an easy call or an insta fold ? Post by: buzzharvey22 on August 06, 2010, 05:41:41 PM no antes in play which makes it a little closer but still its a call
Title: Re: Is this an easy call or an insta fold ? Post by: DMorgan on August 06, 2010, 09:11:41 PM If he's good he shouldn't really be this short unless he just lost a big pot but this is definitely a call because he should be shoving any 2 and if he's good he will be.
Title: Re: Is this an easy call or an insta fold ? Post by: Rupert on August 06, 2010, 09:34:03 PM who cares if we're well ahead of his range or not, look at the pot odds!
Title: Re: Is this an easy call or an insta fold ? Post by: gatso on August 06, 2010, 09:46:34 PM who cares if we're well ahead of his range or not, look at the pot odds! yeah this not really too bothered about his range as A3s plays almost as well aipf against someone only shoving top 50% as it does against atc he needs to be very tight for me to be worrying about what he's actually got Title: Re: Is this an easy call or an insta fold ? Post by: doubleup on August 06, 2010, 10:42:05 PM I've been doing some pokerstove work around calling ranges as I was clueless. If he pushes 33% of his hands A2s+ is a call as far as chip equity is concerned.
Title: Re: Is this an easy call or an insta fold ? Post by: Rupert on August 06, 2010, 11:45:06 PM breakeven point for chip EV is 77+,A8s+,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KJo+ or something similar. vs 33% it's an extremely +cEV call
Title: Re: Is this an easy call or an insta fold ? Post by: the rage on August 07, 2010, 09:55:37 AM Thanks for all of the replies. The villian who shoved on my BB was someone who i know well and respect. At the time i wasn't too thrilled to be calling with Ac 3c but looking at all of the factors, including my position at the table, (having the short stacks on my right and the big stacks on my left) i felt that, if i didn't take my chances here, i could quickly become the weakest dog for the rest of the pack to gang up on.
I agree that making snap decisions is usually not a good thing to do, but, i'd decided that, in this dog-eat-dog world of poker, my opponent would be shoving with a very wide range, so , i pretty much snap-called. He showed Ahrt Qs. I hit a 3 on the flop, which was enough to win the hand and send my poker buddy to the rails. He wasn't very impressed with my call, which is why i thought i'd ask for your thoughts on this board. I went on to win the comp. Which was nice. :) Title: Re: Is this an easy call or an insta fold ? Post by: SuuPRlim on August 07, 2010, 12:57:15 PM He wasn't very impressed with my call, which is why i thought i'd ask for your thoughts on this board. I went on to win the comp. Which was nice. :) Iv noticed when playing live poker people often fistpump when they get there money in ahead, and then berate you when you draw out....... Seems pretty stupid. Congrats ! I always just keep in my head and suited Ace has min 30% equity vs A TIGHT 3bet calling range, so for that reason id snap it off in this spot. Title: Re: Is this an easy call or an insta fold ? Post by: action man on August 08, 2010, 04:38:20 AM who cares if we're well ahead of his range or not, look at the pot odds! yeah this not really too bothered about his range as A3s plays almost as well aipf against someone only shoving top 50% as it does against atc he needs to be very tight for me to be worrying about what he's actually got he needs to be frantically wanking himself off for me to be worried about what he's got |