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« on: August 06, 2010, 02:50:40 PM »

Playing in a live tournament last night. Final table. Six handed. Five get paid. First prize is £600. Fith prize is £60.
UTG=48K
Hijack=42k
Cutoff=100k
Button=15K
SB=15k
BB=30K

The blind are 1500 / 3000 no ante.
The button appears to be happy to try and fold his way into fith spot.
The small blind is an experienced, very competent TAG player.

It folds to the small blind who shoves all in for 15k
I'm on the BB with approx 30k.

I have  three clubs

Should i call or fold?
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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2010, 02:52:44 PM »

Easy call for me.

He should shove about 102% of his range there, so there is a chance your  will be good enough, you can muck the other card now.
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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2010, 02:54:24 PM »

snap
fist pump
high five the rest of table.............. you just cashed
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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2010, 02:56:26 PM »

Villain wouldn't have finished saying all in, by the time my chips were in the middle.
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2010, 02:58:16 PM »

It's a call but I think it's close. SB should be shoving 100% but you describe him as TAG so he might only be doing it with something half decent. The lack of antes too might tighten his range too.
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2010, 03:11:07 PM »

hu shootout on saturday. women nit limps btn with 5bbs effective, i shove bb with KQcc, she open folds a10o
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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2010, 03:13:39 PM »

Can't be that competent if they have 5 bbs

But call u hav an ace
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2010, 03:46:51 PM »

Can't be that competent if they have 5 bbs

They might have been chip leader the hand before and lost a big pot to the now chip leader?

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But call u hav an ace

Agree with this bit.  You're well ahead of their range here.
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2010, 03:56:52 PM »

Can't be that competent if they have 5 bbs

They might have been chip leader the hand before and lost a big pot to the now chip leader?

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But call u hav an ace

Agree with this bit.  You're well ahead of their range here.

Are we really "well ahead"? Not on a windows machine atm so don't have pokerstove but some random online calc says A3s is 57% against 2 random cards. I'm not convinced that in the spot described villain is shoving any two. I'm not saying it's not a call, but I think it's closer than people think. I certainly don't think it's a fistpump call.
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2010, 05:14:44 PM »

Can't be that competent if they have 5 bbs

They might have been chip leader the hand before and lost a big pot to the now chip leader?

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But call u hav an ace

Agree with this bit.  You're well ahead of their range here.

Are we really "well ahead"? Not on a windows machine atm so don't have pokerstove but some random online calc says A3s is 57% against 2 random cards. I'm not convinced that in the spot described villain is shoving any two. I'm not saying it's not a call, but I think it's closer than people think. I certainly don't think it's a fistpump call.

Sorry, probably should have written - "well ahead of a lot of their range".

As for the easy/insta-ness of it, well I don't think any decision should be made like that - although many seem reluctant to take a second to think a decision over, even if it first appears obvious.
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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2010, 05:41:41 PM »

no antes in play which makes it a little closer but still its a call
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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2010, 09:11:41 PM »

If he's good he shouldn't really be this short unless he just lost a big pot but this is definitely a call because he should be shoving any 2 and if he's good he will be.
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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2010, 09:34:03 PM »

who cares if we're well ahead of his range or not, look at the pot odds!
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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2010, 09:46:34 PM »

who cares if we're well ahead of his range or not, look at the pot odds!

yeah this

not really too bothered about his range as A3s plays almost as well aipf against someone only shoving top 50% as it does against atc

he needs to be very tight for me to be worrying about what he's actually got
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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2010, 10:42:05 PM »

I've been doing some pokerstove work around calling ranges as I was clueless.  If he pushes 33% of his hands A2s+ is a call as far as chip equity is concerned.
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