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$100 rebuy on stars- rebuy period just finished so all reads previously should probably be discarded although im sure he will just see me as random with chips that has shown a bit of gamble and he if he OPR'd me its a small sample but a $330 avg buyin

Villain is DJK- He has 26k, i have 19k and we actually are 1st and 2nd overall at this stage.

Blinds 75-150

Fish limps UTG+2 with a 6700 stack- DJK isolates to 600 in the cutoff, Im in the bb and make it 1650. Fish folds DJK calls.

Pot is 3675 and the flop is  Ahrt Kc 4h

I bet 2250 he calls. Pot is now 8175 and we have 15100 behind

Turn is Kh. We bet 4450- he calls. Pot is 17075- we have 10650 behind

River is  6s. How often should we be bluffing here if we shove? what sort of range is he calling with? If we are strong is he calling more hands that that he doesnt bet compared to hands he is shoving when checked to that he doesnt call a shove with? Ie if we are strong should we be checking or shoving and if we are weak should we be shoving or checking.

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i think you should be getting your strong hands in against DJK - (although your definition of strong and mine could differ)

I think he is capable of calling light, as it is a weird board to bet 3 streets on, so it could look bluffy - esp if you were spazzing in the rebuy

as for your weak hands...................................

do what dubai would do

But what can he actually have to call a shove with? I literally have no idea what he has

he is gettign 2.7:1 to the call, so by the time he calls the turn, he kinda has to call the river - even with AJ AQ type hands

dunno its really weid, but i dont think he plays a big flush this way ( on flop).

I mean if he doesnt put you on a K is his A that bad?

he has aces full right?

But pre antes and deep its not like people get out of line very often

Its actually one of the most likely hands. In the actual hand i have AK tho. So obviously blockers. So given i have AK what on earth can he have?

44 if your feeling optomistic

Basically i was interested in the expected ratio of double float hands that he shoves if checked to in relation to the number of hands he checks behind that he would call a shove with. If a>b then i should check and if b<a i should shove

i dont think we can have many hands that it would be profitable to bet with on river here, wether we are value betting or bluffin.

Surely we cant pick up a call from AQ and worse,not after we fire another barrel.

Calling a 3 bet with Kx would be prety bad, also quite unlikely if we hold AK.

I guess he may play 44 like this, try and gets heads up with fish, and he can +ev'ly call a 3 bet being so deep.

If he has 44 he jams the river for value, i guess we pick up value from from when he has this hand, and also if he has randomly floated 2 streets. But then again we can let him check back some hands, maybe even flushes.

haha i literaly have no clue

how does he play KQdd

Flat pre, thank me later.

Its ok kid. I can play oop.

Without reads I can't think of anything I'd call your shove with here other than AA or the other AK.

If you've got a bit of history then you can factor in an extra bluffing percentage depending on how often you value bet / bluff rivers.

Given all this I think you have to check this one to give him a chance to bluff or value bet himself.

Problem here is that what the f**k does he have that he actually bluffs with? All the under pairs just check back as do the flushes. 44 probably also checks.

So now I guess we can reverse the question on to him to see what he can put you on to value shove a weaker hand himself.

If he can put you on anything that will call his bluff then I guess you can check to him to let him value shove.

So I guess my answer to the question is to just flip a coin. Shove or check seem very similar to me here. Depends much more on what he thinks of your ability to call a bluff than your ability to triple barrell bluff imo. If he thinks you'll call a bet light then check. If he thinks you fold everything he beats then you might as well just shove.

Quite a tough spot really when you think about it.

yeh tough life.

Jam if he has AA surely this is what they call a cooler. Or do you really check call here?

Really tough/interesting hand.  I think rivers a pretty clear check/call because even though he has very few floats in his range I don't think he's calling a king and he might even fold a flush but I think he can turn Ax into a bluff and I think will def value jam all boats and possibly some flushes too if thinks you will call Kx which is kinda what your hand looks like since he will probably think you jam boats on the river.

I expect our turn betting range is pretty polarized w Ax as clear checks and most kings probably betting and some checking.  I guess the bottom of our river range is QJ QT JT usually with a heart and since we so infrequently have those hands i'd say jamming them all is fine.  Not sure if you arrive at the river with a ton more bluffs (expect you probs do) but have no idea if having a huge bluff to value ratio is good.  Although since you're unknown i'd say the first time you can bluff all your bluffs and c/c all your boats.  No idea what i'd do with a flush on the river, probably check/fold and chunder everywhere

Take u never bluff here against this opponent?

I read Rupert's post and thought yeah check call is best line then thought I sure don't just jam the river lol.

It's DJK, the guy wears a cape all the time, shovel them in.

I would definiitely flat preflop.

As played against almost all oppos I would check the river, against this geezer I can see why you'd shove it in but I still prolly check.

Really interesting hand though.

AQs/KQs

I normally flat pre here but with the fishes stack it would make it really hard to play oop 3 way. If it was headsup with DJK id definitely just flat pre

this must be right - surely he hero calls much more than he bluffs.

It's easy to say he has more hero hands than bluffs, but what hero hands?? I can think of 2/3 max

i think he hero folds here more than he hero calls personally

This is such a brilliant phrase.

he's the 6max champion of the world, gg

The highest of all compliments, life is complete!

i think its a shove because i would expect him to want to showdown more hands than bluff after floating twice on this board. esp as he can raise flop some% of the time if bluffing/semibluffing.

[if you want to level yourself:
this makes you unable to check call most hands, but i don't think one needs to worry too much about metagame, esp if you haven't played with each other much. of course if he thinks you think like this then he can bluff every river you check even if he thinks he has the best hand cos you can't call]

reults??

Shoved Ak, timebank 20seconds fold

Shoulda checked you fool!!!!

As much as i agree that c/calling is the better line given that his range includes very few hands that can call a shove, but given that this always means the vast majority of his range will check back surely in this particular vacuum its the best play to just shove the river, then when he folds as he will 9/10 instead fo checking back say 8/10 at least wizard boy hasnt seen your cards?

its awesome when you 3ball AK and flop a pair.