Title: A Golden Era? Post by: TightEnd on September 03, 2010, 10:10:49 AM This list is not meant to be exhaustive, if you think you should be on it and aren't, it's not personal
but look at the number of 19-25+ year olds tearing it up in live biggies for UK Poker In no order Toby Lewis Jake Cody Matt Perrins J P Kelly James Keys The Hit Squad of Akenhead, Carl, Praz etc Sam Trickett (Flushy is too old :-* ) Is the emergence of all of these players and more (lets include Middleton and Eames and Houghton and Brammer who surely must be amongst the next ones...) in one period of less than three years coincidence? Could we have said the same of one era throwing up Channing, Thew etc 10-15 years ago? If it isn't coincidence, what factors are at play here? I would suggest - quick and thorough groundings online, that give them experience way beyond the years it would take to get such, live alone that previous talented generations did not have - Generally mathematical/Professional backgrounds. By and large these lads don't come from gambling/betting backgrounds - This gives them, generalising, level heads and bankroll skills. Anything else? Your thoughts please. Title: Re: A Golden Era? Post by: DaveShoelace on September 03, 2010, 10:29:20 AM Isnt Liv in that age bracket too?
Also, Im sure I read Karl and Praz are closer to 30 Title: Re: A Golden Era? Post by: TightEnd on September 03, 2010, 10:30:53 AM Isnt Liv in that age bracket too? Also, Im sure I read Karl and Praz are closer to 30 they can't be, that would mean I have to include Flushy. Anyway, Liv yes, Pab too You know the sort of names....I'm asking "why?" Title: Re: A Golden Era? Post by: DaveShoelace on September 03, 2010, 10:31:42 AM I would say there is certainly a community aspect to this, all these lads are friends with each other and presumably discuss strategy non stop with each other. Plus you have blonde/blackbelt etc Everyone is the M1 away from each other and the big fessies, its easy for everyone to travel round together etc.
Then you have all the affordable deepstack events in the Uk which are a good proving ground Also you dont pay tax on gambling in the UK, which must make it easier for young wippersnappers to turn pro. But mainly I would say its Tikays advice on Sky Poker, and the Deans books. Title: Re: A Golden Era? Post by: ripple11 on September 03, 2010, 10:48:09 AM Oh to be 20 again.... It certainly helps being young free and single. Once you score big/get some backing, there nothing to stop you travelling the live big event circuit.....the ball has started to roll. Plus nowadays playing online anywhere anytime, practicing your skills, making more money, qualifing for events.....all with no fear. Good luck to them. Title: Re: A Golden Era? Post by: Mitchell on September 03, 2010, 11:29:58 AM Team Bocce imo
Title: Re: A Golden Era? Post by: Royal Flush on September 03, 2010, 11:53:18 AM Title: Re: A Golden Era? Post by: LeKnave on September 03, 2010, 05:34:23 PM your forgetting the champion of ireland tighty! this thread is bullshit without him!
Title: Re: A Golden Era? Post by: The Camel on September 03, 2010, 05:47:37 PM The main quality all those guys posess is fearlessness. They don't mind bubbling or going bust holding pestes as long they make the correct play.
They don't even consider laddering, they just make the best EV decision at all times. Very impressive. Title: Re: A Golden Era? Post by: TightEnd on September 03, 2010, 06:01:09 PM your forgetting the champion of ireland tighty! this thread is bullshit without him! I am sure I have forgotten plenty you are referring to james mitchell? Title: Re: A Golden Era? Post by: George2Loose on September 03, 2010, 06:33:26 PM One thing I will say about all these "kids" is they really have a good head on their shoulders.
Jake, Toby, Pez, eames, Flushy, Bas, Middy etc- all top blokes. not really leading a "balla" lifestyle but having fun and all really nice guys. also incred tekkers (whatever the fuck they are) Title: Re: A Golden Era? Post by: LeKnave on September 03, 2010, 06:54:02 PM your forgetting the champion of ireland tighty! this thread is bullshit without him! I am sure I have forgotten plenty you are referring to james mitchell? yeah, can understand if you thought he was 35 though! Title: Re: A Golden Era? Post by: NoflopsHomer on September 03, 2010, 06:59:01 PM your forgetting the champion of ireland tighty! this thread is bullshit without him! I am sure I have forgotten plenty you are referring to james mitchell? yeah, can understand if you thought he was 35 though! He had a shave and a haircut, looks more like a geography student than teacher again. Title: Re: A Golden Era? Post by: TightEnd on September 09, 2010, 02:22:35 PM Hopefully he won't mind
but I enjoyed NoFlops guest article on Dr Pauly's blog today http://taopoker.blogspot.com/2010/09/brit-watch-new-golden-age.html Title: Re: A Golden Era? Post by: NoflopsHomer on September 09, 2010, 02:25:16 PM ty sir.
Title: Re: A Golden Era? Post by: AndrewT on September 09, 2010, 02:37:08 PM Could be all of the things mentioned so far. Could be the fact there have been fewer Scandies playing internationally recently because of exchange rate issues.
Could also just be an example of the Texas sharpshooter fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy). There are a load of poker tournaments played. Some people win them. A group of these people happen to be similar/come from a similar place. Not necessarily a trend. Title: Re: A Golden Era? Post by: NoflopsHomer on September 09, 2010, 03:02:30 PM Could be all of the things mentioned so far. Could be the fact there have been fewer Scandies playing internationally recently because of exchange rate issues. Could also just be an example of the Texas sharpshooter fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy). There are a load of poker tournaments played. Some people win them. A group of these people happen to be similar/come from a similar place. Not necessarily a trend. I think the US and British players now play against the Scandies with an optimum line in many respects which is another reason along with the tax one. But yeah, as I say in the post, there's no golden age, just a conveyor belt of very talented players coming from online, country unimportant, who are all maybe within a percentage point or two of each other in terms of talent. Title: Re: A Golden Era? Post by: mondatoo on September 09, 2010, 03:11:59 PM Variance,ldo!!
Title: Re: A Golden Era? Post by: JaffaCake on September 10, 2010, 01:59:16 PM interesting that your thread's about the golden era of 18-25 year old players when we just had our best ever WSOP and yet none of those players who won bracelets would fit into your age bracket. Some guess work here but I think the rough ages of our bracelet five are....Flushy 27, Praz 32, Chufty 37, Steve Jelinek 39, Mike Ellis 45....so where's the golden era?!
And I don't think any of the Hit Squad are young enough to fit into your age bracket...perhaps it's correct to say English poker is on the up and up and the standard and players are better than ever, not sure it's that connected to a new breed of players coming into the game particularly tho. Who would believe Praz is five years older than Flushy, maybe wearing a cap all the time protects your hair Title: Re: A Golden Era? Post by: EvilPie on September 10, 2010, 02:08:10 PM OP clearly states:
"but look at the number of 19-25+ year olds tearing it up in live biggies for UK Poker" 19-25+ even includes TK. The "Golden era" must include all 19+ year olds from the UK. Title: Re: A Golden Era? Post by: tikay on September 10, 2010, 05:55:39 PM Flushy 27? WTF? He must have had a fair few late nights. Title: Re: A Golden Era? Post by: Bad Beat on September 10, 2010, 09:28:45 PM I wasn't thrown-up fifteen years ago. I only started playing more than ten events a year in 2005 and I was busy being seriously ill in 2006.
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