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Top 11 places paid, we are currently 3/5 w/11bbs, 5/5 has 7bbs, 2/5 has 15bbs and 1/5 has 40bbs.

Chip leader wopn a pot onthe bubble agianst me KJvQQ aipf for 1/2 the chips in play with 11 left, on the final table, he is basially opening/shoving 80%+ of pots with no resistance against the fish who are trying to chip up. He has shown down bit hands alot, but honestly he is shoving 80% over a sample size of like 60/70 maybe? Short stacks are playing super nitty, folded 99 to a shove and the other folded a7 bvb.

Folds round to the big stack on the button who as expected shoves.

We are in the BB, what do we call with here?

Q7+

or better
any A
any broadways
any pair
any suited connector 67+

really?

well i read that the big stack has been open shipping any 2.

to lose to you makes zero difference to his stack

you are in the money, you are short, and it doesnt sound like you are going to be getting the opportunity to open a pot any time soon, and when you do the other shorties probs arent folding

you are just in a bad spot, double thru or go home.

I like this...much rather double up now than nit about for ages. (depending on the pay out structure obv)

I am calling pretty loose but not that loose. I dunno about top 25%, ICMaments mean we can't call ridic wide.

This is what pokerstove is for. Work out what price you're getting on a call and how much equity you need then play around with pokerstove until you find a range that has the right equity %age against the top 80%

You have to take into account ICM aswell so you can't call it off with a hand like 78s because you're still 3/5 and the other look like they're gunna be forced to be soon and if the big stack is just picking up a lot of playable hands you'll still get opportunities to shove and exploit the nits so I wouldn't be going too overboard with the calling range

asa a default would do this but thought because of the close stack sizes it would be different?

why not?

he is so unlikey to have us crushed - im happy to take 35% here an bink. Even if you have AK you gotta dodge 5 cards

OP is just in a bad spot at the table - get em in

guy's range (the 2nd one, not the Q7+) is only about 1% wider than yours surely?

OP didn't give a list of payouts but it is pretty safe to assume there is some advantage in laddering (ICM stuff) and calling as a slight dog/fave against his range is never going to be mathematically correct.

Even if we double up, we haven't gained the chip lead and are going to get put in a spot where we probs have to take a stand against the chip leader. The effect of doubling of our chips here certainly doesn't double our expectation in the terms of money.

The bolded bit is just ridic and I can only presume you are levelling.

i think my range is top 29%

if you add in all Kx hands which I am def calling that is top 38% - id be happy with that

Well we agree then, lol. The q7+, I disagree with a lot.

first place is around 4.5x 5th place.

longy

im happy with my revised range to include all Kings (the point about having AK was spurious)

We may not get the CL here - but the CL isnt going to be open shipping ATC if we in, so the table dynamic will change dramitically.

Cl currently has a max exposure of like 7bbs off a 40 bbs stack, and is picking up 2.5bbs everytime he shoves. You just need to put a stop to this in these spots - or go home - no point in getting AA when sat with 1bb

Guy, calling it off with 67s here would be really bad. Just because we're short doesn't mean that we can throw 'em in and see what happens. We still have decent equity in this tournament. Just because the big stack is good and is keeping up the pressure and shoving wide doesn't mean that we have to make bad calls even vs his super wide range.

I'm calling 22+, A2+, K9o+, K7s+, QJo+, Q9s+

nah, he's thrown in a load of Kx hands now so you disagree again

what's 3rd and 4th? It's the laddering part that would mainly decide what to call with here or not. the win part would only make me more tempted to call.

Obv 1st being 4.5x what we already have locked up makes me think it's a rather flat structure.

At work so can't really remember

prob something like

1.850
2.500
3.325
4.250
5.200

i guess.

Lets put villain at top of his range holding KT vs 30%

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    47.182%     44.99%    02.20%        3235321452    157867758.00   { KTo }
Hand 1:    52.818%     50.62%    02.20%        3640619832    157867758.00   { 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A7o+, A5o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }




KT vs 76s


   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    59.421%     59.11%    00.31%          48584400       254472.00   { KTo }
Hand 1:    40.579%     40.27%    00.31%          33097248       254472.00   { 76s }


doesnt look bad to me dan

67s vs 80%



   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    57.718%     55.73%    01.99%        3740909048    133288110.00   { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 73s+, 62s+, 52s+, 43s, A2o+, K2o+, Q2o+, J3o+, T5o+, 95o+, 85o+, 75o+, 65o, 54o }
Hand 1:    42.282%     40.30%    01.99%        2704746412    133288110.00   { 76s }


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Getting it in, in this spot as an underdog against villains range is pure madness. Might as well go and set light to £50 notes in the car park.

sng player imo

we have 5 bigs - our tourney is over. we are 5 handed - you will blink and pay the blinds and antes and you will then have 2.5bbs! gg

in a way him shoving 80% becomes an advantage - because we can call against him with K high and know we are good most of the time. We then have 10bbs and we have a shot at 2nd place, maybe luckbox a win. We fold 3 more hands to this clown and its gg. 

Don't we have 11 bb's? 

ya bra

ah ok - erm maybe not all kings then K9+ and 9Ts+ 66+

still looking to get going thou

OK, in that case I wouldn't call as wide. The money jump is significant and makes it work hanging around for a little while longer.


In a tenner rebuy where the next jump would be £30 or £40 I would call wide, like guy.

i called with kq, he had a3.

hope you didnt slow roll him  ;)

i just took a second to see if BB was excited or not. sigh being at close to the top of his range!