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« on: September 03, 2010, 02:49:37 PM »

Top 11 places paid, we are currently 3/5 w/11bbs, 5/5 has 7bbs, 2/5 has 15bbs and 1/5 has 40bbs.

Chip leader wopn a pot onthe bubble agianst me KJvQQ aipf for 1/2 the chips in play with 11 left, on the final table, he is basially opening/shoving 80%+ of pots with no resistance against the fish who are trying to chip up. He has shown down bit hands alot, but honestly he is shoving 80% over a sample size of like 60/70 maybe? Short stacks are playing super nitty, folded 99 to a shove and the other folded a7 bvb.

Folds round to the big stack on the button who as expected shoves.

We are in the BB, what do we call with here?
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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2010, 02:53:02 PM »

Top 11 places paid, we are currently 3/5 w/11bbs, 5/5 has 7bbs, 2/5 has 15bbs and 1/5 has 40bbs.

Chip leader wopn a pot onthe bubble agianst me KJvQQ aipf for 1/2 the chips in play with 11 left, on the final table, he is basially opening/shoving 80%+ of pots with no resistance against the fish who are trying to chip up. He has shown down bit hands alot, but honestly he is shoving 80% over a sample size of like 60/70 maybe? Short stacks are playing super nitty, folded 99 to a shove and the other folded a7 bvb.

Folds round to the big stack on the button who as expected shoves.

We are in the BB, what do we call with here?

Q7+

or better
any A
any broadways
any pair
any suited connector 67+
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2010, 03:12:37 PM »

Top 11 places paid, we are currently 3/5 w/11bbs, 5/5 has 7bbs, 2/5 has 15bbs and 1/5 has 40bbs.

Chip leader wopn a pot onthe bubble agianst me KJvQQ aipf for 1/2 the chips in play with 11 left, on the final table, he is basially opening/shoving 80%+ of pots with no resistance against the fish who are trying to chip up. He has shown down bit hands alot, but honestly he is shoving 80% over a sample size of like 60/70 maybe? Short stacks are playing super nitty, folded 99 to a shove and the other folded a7 bvb.

Folds round to the big stack on the button who as expected shoves.

We are in the BB, what do we call with here?

Q7+

or better
any A
any broadways
any pair
any suited connector 67+


really?
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2010, 03:15:39 PM »

well i read that the big stack has been open shipping any 2.

to lose to you makes zero difference to his stack

you are in the money, you are short, and it doesnt sound like you are going to be getting the opportunity to open a pot any time soon, and when you do the other shorties probs arent folding

you are just in a bad spot, double thru or go home.
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2010, 03:21:15 PM »

well i read that the big stack has been open shipping any 2.

to lose to you makes zero difference to his stack

you are in the money, you are short, and it doesnt sound like you are going to be getting the opportunity to pen a pot any time soon, and when you do the other shorties probs arent folding

you are just in a bad spot, double thru or go home.

I like this...much rather double up now than nit about for ages. (depending on the pay out structure obv)
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2010, 03:22:39 PM »

I am calling pretty loose but not that loose. I dunno about top 25%, ICMaments mean we can't call ridic wide.

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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2010, 03:23:48 PM »

This is what pokerstove is for. Work out what price you're getting on a call and how much equity you need then play around with pokerstove until you find a range that has the right equity %age against the top 80%

You have to take into account ICM aswell so you can't call it off with a hand like 78s because you're still 3/5 and the other look like they're gunna be forced to be soon and if the big stack is just picking up a lot of playable hands you'll still get opportunities to shove and exploit the nits so I wouldn't be going too overboard with the calling range
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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2010, 03:25:09 PM »

This is what pokerstove is for. Work out what price you're getting on a call and how much equity you need then play around with pokerstove until you find a range that has the right equity %age against the top 80%

asa a default would do this but thought because of the close stack sizes it would be different?
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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2010, 03:27:51 PM »

I am calling pretty loose but not that loose. I dunno about top 25%, ICMaments mean we can't call ridic wide.



why not?

he is so unlikey to have us crushed - im happy to take 35% here an bink. Even if you have AK you gotta dodge 5 cards

OP is just in a bad spot at the table - get em in

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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2010, 03:32:40 PM »

I am calling pretty loose but not that loose. I dunno about top 25%, ICMaments mean we can't call ridic wide.



guy's range (the 2nd one, not the Q7+) is only about 1% wider than yours surely?
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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2010, 03:36:36 PM »

I am calling pretty loose but not that loose. I dunno about top 25%, ICMaments mean we can't call ridic wide.



why not?

he is so unlikey to have us crushed - im happy to take 35% here an bink. Even if you have AK you gotta dodge 5 cards

OP is just in a bad spot at the table - get em in



OP didn't give a list of payouts but it is pretty safe to assume there is some advantage in laddering (ICM stuff) and calling as a slight dog/fave against his range is never going to be mathematically correct.

Even if we double up, we haven't gained the chip lead and are going to get put in a spot where we probs have to take a stand against the chip leader. The effect of doubling of our chips here certainly doesn't double our expectation in the terms of money.

The bolded bit is just ridic and I can only presume you are levelling.
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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2010, 03:37:28 PM »

I am calling pretty loose but not that loose. I dunno about top 25%, ICMaments mean we can't call ridic wide.



guy's range (the 2nd one, not the Q7+) is only about 1% wider than yours surely?

i think my range is top 29%

if you add in all Kx hands which I am def calling that is top 38% - id be happy with that
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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2010, 03:37:39 PM »

I am calling pretty loose but not that loose. I dunno about top 25%, ICMaments mean we can't call ridic wide.



guy's range (the 2nd one, not the Q7+) is only about 1% wider than yours surely?

Well we agree then, lol. The q7+, I disagree with a lot.
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2010, 03:37:44 PM »

first place is around 4.5x 5th place.
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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2010, 03:40:47 PM »

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im happy with my revised range to include all Kings (the point about having AK was spurious)

We may not get the CL here - but the CL isnt going to be open shipping ATC if we in, so the table dynamic will change dramitically.

Cl currently has a max exposure of like 7bbs off a 40 bbs stack, and is picking up 2.5bbs everytime he shoves. You just need to put a stop to this in these spots - or go home - no point in getting AA when sat with 1bb
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