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Hi guys.....

Cropped up last night. Blinds 5k-10k....1st to act goes allin for 17k.....2nd to act wants to min raise....is the min. raise 27k (10 +7+10) or 24k (10+7+7)  or 30K cos that is what a min. 3 bet would be????

Cheers

Mark

24k imo. Depend where you play though.

nah, you can t be raising less than a bb from a full stack

what if he d gone ai for 10,100. would you say a 3 bet to 10,200, 4b to 10,300 and 5b to 10,400 is fine? obv ridic

Well spotted.27k then?

Alternatively just shoot the person that wants to min raise?

His all in is an under-raise so doesn't count for the purposes of raising/re-opening action. It does however change the bet facing a player, and that bet is now 17k. The minimum raise is still 10k. 17k+10k = 27k.

+1

 use of a bazooka prefered :)

Also suitable for folk who post in blue. ;grr;

Wish id never read this thread, all thats happened is that Iv agreed with CF

pretty sure its 20K

People underestimate the power of the min raise

I was given to understand once that if the under raise is under 50% of a bb then the min raise stands to be 2x bb still, but if it isnt, then it has to be 1bb on top of the under raise?
leeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeel

that doesn`t really make sense as by definition an underraise is under the 50% mark. over 50% and it`s not an underraise, it`s a raise

That's what I think too.

yes it does.  under raise is raise by less than 100% of the bb.  less than 50% would be less than 15k in this instance.

Initial raise to 17k (10k+7k) is an under-raise, I was told (ages ago mind) that if the under-raise represented less than 50% of 1bb (e.g. in this case 14k) then the min re-raise would be to 20k, if however the under-raise was +50% of 1bb (i.e. the 17k in this example) then the minimum re-raise would be the total bet +1 bb(making it 27k here, 10k +7k +10k.

I wouldn't be at all suprised if it is 20k though cos most of the places I play are terribly run.

Just seen claw reply in much more simple terms, but iv written in now so fk it il post :)

This.

you what?

you what?

you what, you what, you what?

LOL

I saw Gatso's 'you what?'

Read what he put and thought what? So had my own 'you what?'

Pretty sure its an underraise even if its 99% of a raise?

Might be wrong though.

yeah it is, but someone was saying they thought the rule on raising an underraise was different if the underraise was for less than 50% of a bb (i.e less than a SB).  Gatso didn't see how that was possible.

My head hurts?

Does Gatso's post not say that if its over 50% of a of a raise then its not an underraise?

yes but Gatso is wrong.

I may have confused myself. not really sure what we`re talking about now, think I`m mixing limit and nl rules

my you what to claire and my questioning of suuprlim still stand though as underraises are definitely not measured relative to the bb except in unraised pots preflop, yeah you lucked out this time and that`s what we`re talking about right but you won`t be so lucky next time

pretty sure hopkin`s wrong about something too

well, it's simplified in this case because it's an unopened pot pre-flop and the shover has less than 2bbs.  In any case though, an underaise will be any raise that amounts to less than 100% of the amont required to mini raise, so the same logic applies.


 I still have no idea how much the minimum re-raise is though.

What the hell is a mini raise? Lol

Yeah I'm defo wrong about something you Gatsofarian

a mini raise is what happens when you type too quickly and can't remember if you were going to say 'minimum raise' or 'min raise'.  I like 'mini raise' though - gonna use that from now on.

Guys, what are you all talking about here. We're on about a NLHE game, not a LHE game. All this 50% of a raise talk is nonsense. You could shove for 99.9% of the raise requirement and it's still an underraise.

I've found the rule in RRs (don't I love them). Rather than c/p I'll just paste the example to show the point:

For example, if the minimum bet is $100, and a player goes all-in on the flop for $20, a player may fold, call $20, or raise to at least a total of $120.

It's not quite the same thing as our example but it illustrates the idea of the bet facing us changing. In the OP the bet facing us is 17k. The min raise is 10k. Making the total min raise bet size 27k.

nana

1) lose the bloody blue
2) stop aftertiming rulings. we've already settled this one

problem with a mini raise is it's open to interpretation

let's say the blinds are 100/200. obv 400 is a min raise but I'd say 410 was a mini raise, also 405, 408 and 412

so how do we decide if someone has put in 100% of an amount that's really a matter of personal taste

No. The blue is awesome. I just wish I could make it bluer :)

410 would be an ickle raise

The blue is as awesome as you are Charles.

My personal interpretation of the mini raise would be that Claire just raised my bet by a small car.

Why don't u put an elastic band tightly round ur bellend and write with that. be hard to get bluer imo.

Plank change the font, u aren't a 12 y/o girl

Is  this better?