Title: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: George2Loose on September 27, 2010, 04:29:12 AM mycraft is pretty loose and quite bad. Making really thin calls and gettign there.
Allofit has been solid- not seen him do anythign out of line. Assuming allofit isn't bluffing- what hand combo's do I beat? Is this a fold against his range? Cant see allofit having an overpair here too often considering he overcalled pre PokerStars Game #50230967336: Tournament #2010090062, $5000+$200 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (250/500) - 2010/09/27 4:19:44 WET [2010/09/26 23:19:44 ET] Table '2010090062 246' 9-max Seat #7 is the button Seat 1: flpro157 (55058 in chips) Seat 2: amrasaralond (13818 in chips) Seat 3: Mycraft (120373 in chips) Seat 4: sakpoker (39077 in chips) Seat 5: ChAtBan (37177 in chips) Seat 6: _R4PEL4DOR_ (36928 in chips) Seat 7: allofit29 (18594 in chips) Seat 8: Pete9910 (19950 in chips) Seat 9: George2Loose (25810 in chips) flpro157: posts the ante 60 amrasaralond: posts the ante 60 Mycraft: posts the ante 60 sakpoker: posts the ante 60 ChAtBan: posts the ante 60 _R4PEL4DOR_: posts the ante 60 allofit29: posts the ante 60 Pete9910: posts the ante 60 George2Loose: posts the ante 60 Pete9910: posts small blind 250 George2Loose: posts big blind 500 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to George2Loose [7c 6c] flpro157: folds amrasaralond: folds Mycraft: raises 1000 to 1500 sakpoker: folds ChAtBan: calls 1500 _R4PEL4DOR_: folds allofit29: calls 1500 Pete9910: folds George2Loose: calls 1000 *** FLOP *** [6s 7d 9h] George2Loose: checks Mycraft: bets 4000 ChAtBan: folds allofit29: raises 13034 to 17034 and is all-in George2Loose Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: Rupert on September 27, 2010, 04:43:49 AM i'd fold pre call now
Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: LeKnave on September 27, 2010, 04:49:55 AM loool this aint gross at all. snap get it in.
Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: George2Loose on September 27, 2010, 04:51:13 AM o rly? What hands is he realistically shoving here with? Maybe I've turned into a nitnitnintnitnitint
Pre HU or even 3 way I may fold but 4 way I think a call is ok? Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: Rupert on September 27, 2010, 04:51:58 AM what do u lose to
Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: LeKnave on September 27, 2010, 04:53:36 AM TT+, 88, 8x
Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: George2Loose on September 27, 2010, 04:56:37 AM TT+, 88, 8x so he just peels pre with an over pair and then jams on a 9 high board??? I deffo see 88 in his range. Was the only hand I could see myself being in good shape against Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: The Camel on September 27, 2010, 05:05:09 AM TT+, 88, 8x so he just peels pre with an over pair and then jams on a 9 high board??? I deffo see 88 in his range. Was the only hand I could see myself being in good shape against George, you need to take from poker if you think 88 is the only hand he can have that you are in good shape against. Absolutely easy call. If you are beat, nh him. You cannot possibly fold here. Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: George2Loose on September 27, 2010, 05:09:24 AM TT+, 88, 8x so he just peels pre with an over pair and then jams on a 9 high board??? I deffo see 88 in his range. Was the only hand I could see myself being in good shape against George, you need to take from poker if you think 88 is the only hand he can have that you are in good shape against. Absolutely easy call. If you are beat, nh him. You cannot possibly fold here. Not saying it's the only hand in his range. Do you agree with Dave's range here ie 88 and tens plus? I just cant see why he would flat tens or jacks and then just jam flop against an ep raiser betting into 3 people (admittedly a loose player). QQ+ raises pre no? So what does that realistically leave? Maybe I'm tightening up cos I don't play 5k buy ins everyday or maybe assigning villian a tighter range due to it being a 5k buy. IDK Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: Rupert on September 27, 2010, 05:14:05 AM sure there isn't a ton he jams with, but you have blockers to half the hands that beat you and T8 is fairly unlikely cos he might not peel pre/probs wont jam the flop with it etc and theres not really any two pairs you can expect him to call pre
Quote so he just peels pre with an over pair and then jams on a 9 high board??? so ya pretty much Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: Horneris on September 27, 2010, 05:21:25 AM Scared money don't make money!!!
Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: pleno1 on September 27, 2010, 05:55:02 AM Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
36,630 games 0.001 secs 36,630,000 games/sec Board: 6s 7h 9d Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 53.593% 51.04% 02.55% 18696 935.00 { 7c6c } Hand 1: 46.407% 43.85% 02.55% 16064 935.00 { QQ-66, 98s, 86s+, 76s } --- Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: outragous76 on September 27, 2010, 08:51:24 AM I think he shows up with 88 or 89 alot of the time here. Don't think I'm ever folding. Just win the flip, you are g2l
Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: NigDawG on September 27, 2010, 09:49:03 AM never ever folding here this shallow george. even if you put like 97s and T8s into his range he still gonna have 87s,98s,T9s,88,TT,JJ enough (they quite feasibly all flat pre) imo.
spot becomes awkward if you're all 100bb deep Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: GreekStein on September 27, 2010, 11:03:22 AM Fold pre. Should defo fold pre if you flop as big as this and still wanna fold.
Shortie can have 88, 98, overpairs, 910, 78 etc. Hard for him to have set of 6's or 7's and 9's up, which means by not wanting to call you're putting his range on 99, 108 and 85? Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: maldini32 on September 27, 2010, 12:21:26 PM Scared money don't make money!!! Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: Whollyflush on September 27, 2010, 03:11:24 PM lol at peeling 67s with just over 20bb stacks, flopping 2 pair and debating whether to get it in.
Pre peel is tez. Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: George2Loose on September 27, 2010, 05:06:55 PM I folded- utg snapped with K6 lol. Shover had 88. King on river......
I spose I was trying to be a bit of a hero maybe but board was so dry that I thought 88 was the only hand I beat when he jammed and I was crushed by the rest of his range. Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: George2Loose on September 27, 2010, 05:10:46 PM lol at peeling 67s with just over 20bb stacks, flopping 2 pair and debating whether to get it in. Pre peel is tez. Nice read JP sure have just over 20 bigs. Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: DMorgan on September 27, 2010, 08:44:13 PM The peel pre isn't a snapcall but I don't think its a mistake at all. Snap getting this in though.
Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: Whollyflush on September 27, 2010, 09:20:47 PM lol at peeling 67s with just over 20bb stacks, flopping 2 pair and debating whether to get it in. Pre peel is tez. He has 50bbs and is nearly 40bb effective with everyone in the hand. Peel pre is fine imo. Thread is also worth having I think, although I agree we're up against 98 87 mostly and may get ridic price from donko trailing in with TT+, so I do a call. my bad misread mycraft for 12k instead of 120k :S Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: the sicilian on September 27, 2010, 10:00:16 PM dont mind the call pre... but if u r gonna peel with this hand exactly wot flop do you want to see...? snap call for me post im afraid
Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: Bas on September 28, 2010, 12:20:51 AM Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 36,630 games 0.001 secs 36,630,000 games/sec Board: 6s 7h 9d Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 53.593% 51.04% 02.55% 18696 935.00 { 7c6c } Hand 1: 46.407% 43.85% 02.55% 16064 935.00 { QQ-66, 98s, 86s+, 76s } --- I'd say this stove is pretty far off, here's what I have: Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 26,730 games 0.001 secs 26,730,000 games/sec Board: 6s 7d 9h Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 37.123% 34.06% 03.06% 9105 818.00 { 7c6c } Hand 1: 62.877% 59.82% 03.06% 15989 818.00 { 99-66, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s } allofit is pretty nitty in my experience and i'm fairly certain he 3 bet/calls off JJ+ vs the fish opener at least, most of time TT too and 99 he probs mixes it up so 37% equity just vs him, you need 40% for a call when its just vs him, then with the fish maybe getting it in to that makes things even moreeeeee complicated I can't be bothered to do exact calcs but it's something like 30% I imagine you need (although there's a 18k side pot) even trying to be incredibly optimistic and overdoing his range just to show how bad it is, you get this: Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 126,720 games 0.001 secs 126,720,000 games/sec Board: 6s 7d 9h Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 53.155% 51.46% 01.70% 65210 2148.00 { 7c6c } Hand 1: 46.845% 45.15% 01.70% 57214 2148.00 { 66+, A9s-A8s, K9s-K8s, K6s, Q9s-Q8s, J9s-J8s, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, T8o+, 97o+, 87o } and 3 way: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 31.036% 29.55% 01.48% 910031 45632.50 { 7c6c } Hand 1: 40.413% 36.49% 03.93% 1123508 120886.00 { TT-66, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s } Hand 2: 28.552% 25.30% 03.25% 779184 99988.50 { 66+, A9s-A8s, K9s-K8s, K6s, Q9s-Q8s, J9s-J8s, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, T8o+, 97o+, 87o } so 31% at absolute best 3 way, factoring in its the WCOOP main event and there's an absolute ton of soft spots and a sick structure, i'd say it's a pretty easy fold Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: Rupert on September 28, 2010, 01:08:20 AM i'd say hes a fave to flat jj over 3 betting maybe even qq
Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: Skgv on September 28, 2010, 01:09:38 AM lol at peeling 67s with just over 20bb stacks, flopping 2 pair and debating whether to get it in. Pre peel is tez. He has 50bbs and is nearly 40bb effective with everyone in the hand. Peel pre is fine imo. Thread is also worth having I think, although I agree we're up against 98 87 mostly and may get ridic price from donko trailing in with TT+, so I do a call. Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: EvilPie on September 28, 2010, 01:18:29 AM lol at peeling 67s with just over 20bb stacks, flopping 2 pair and debating whether to get it in. Pre peel is tez. He has 50bbs and is nearly 40bb effective with everyone in the hand. Peel pre is fine imo. Thread is also worth having I think, although I agree we're up against 98 87 mostly and may get ridic price from donko trailing in with TT+, so I do a call. Sigh. I thought I was your drinking buddy. /life Title: Re: Gross spot WCOOP main Post by: Skgv on September 28, 2010, 06:18:32 AM lol at peeling 67s with just over 20bb stacks, flopping 2 pair and debating whether to get it in. Pre peel is tez. He has 50bbs and is nearly 40bb effective with everyone in the hand. Peel pre is fine imo. Thread is also worth having I think, although I agree we're up against 98 87 mostly and may get ridic price from donko trailing in with TT+, so I do a call. Sigh. I thought I was your drinking buddy. /life |