Title: Horrible Level Spot Post by: SuuPRlim on October 05, 2010, 07:30:56 AM Villain is a really solid Reg at these stakes and we have a reasonable amount of history from playing HU, although havent played heads up for about 8-12 months
Full Tilt Poker Game #24432673262: Table Lost (6 max) - $1/$2 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 16:05:52 ET - 2010/10/04 Seat 1: Dzunglipoiss ($687.45) Seat 2: BadPete_1 ($502.85) Seat 3: JohnyBlaze ($266) Seat 4: yayabigidiot ($922.85) Seat 5: PeterPan0405 ($326.80) Seat 6: lildavefish ($388.15) JohnyBlaze posts the small blind of $1 yayabigidiot posts the big blind of $2 The button is in seat #2 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to lildavefish [Ts Ks Kc Tc] PeterPan0405 folds lildavefish has 15 seconds left to act lildavefish raises to $7 Dzunglipoiss has 15 seconds left to act Dzunglipoiss folds BadPete_1 raises to $24 JohnyBlaze folds yayabigidiot folds lildavefish calls $17 *** FLOP *** [Ac Th 7h] lildavefish has 15 seconds left to act PeterPan0405 stands up lildavefish checks BadPete_1 bets $40 lildavefish calls $40 *** TURN *** [Ac Th 7h] [3h] lildavefish has 15 seconds left to act lildavefish checks BadPete_1 checks *** RIVER *** [Ac Th 7h 3h] [6s] lildavefish has 15 seconds left to act lildavefish checks BadPete_1 has 15 seconds left to act BadPete_1 bets $88 lildavefish ? ? ? Have 3400 hands of 6max on him and his 3bet from the blinds % is 4 so his range is tight for sure - but he knows how loose I open the btn/co. Thoughts on River, and thoughts on all streets? Title: Re: Horrible Level Spot Post by: DMorgan on October 05, 2010, 12:48:06 PM Meh, super close spot. I wanna call 'cos he can be completely FOS but I also wanna fold 'cos your hand looks a lot like a medium strength hand that didn't wanna get c/red off on the turn and is gunna snap the river.
You have blockers to KQJx type hands aswell so its harder for him to have bluffs, I dunno I probably just fold Would have def c/red the flop though fwiw Title: Re: Horrible Level Spot Post by: scotty2hatty on October 05, 2010, 05:35:04 PM call
Title: Re: Horrible Level Spot Post by: GreekStein on October 05, 2010, 05:41:51 PM fold
Title: Re: Horrible Level Spot Post by: SuuPRlim on October 05, 2010, 06:02:58 PM Do you think he is more likely to have AAxx or hearts if he is beating me?
Title: Re: Horrible Level Spot Post by: Patonius2000 on October 05, 2010, 07:49:49 PM I would definitely c/c flop. You can't cr/jam vs someone who 3bs this infrequently and you just need this hand in your c/c range. River you can probably check jam anything that is a set or worse and just call all your small flushes and jam Jx+flushes. 89xx 45xx/nut low flushes are interesting, if he never bets AAxx on the river and checks back the turn with a lot of medium flushes then you want to be folding or shoving but if he can vbet worse and doenst have many flushes in his range and a bunch of air then call will be better.
Title: Re: Horrible Level Spot Post by: AlexMartin on October 06, 2010, 01:21:01 AM I would definitely c/c flop. You can't cr/jam vs someone who 3bs this infrequently and you just need this hand in your c/c range. River you can probably check jam anything that is a set or worse and just call all your small flushes and jam Jx+flushes. 89xx 45xx/nut low flushes are interesting, if he never bets AAxx on the river and checks back the turn with a lot of medium flushes then you want to be folding or shoving but if he can vbet worse and doenst have many flushes in his range and a bunch of air then call will be better. re-read HH. this is geniuinely tough, depends if he thinks we can reach the river with a high flush. Title: Re: Horrible Level Spot Post by: Patonius2000 on October 06, 2010, 01:49:59 PM I would definitely c/c flop. You can't cr/jam vs someone who 3bs this infrequently and you just need this hand in your c/c range. River you can probably check jam anything that is a set or worse and just call all your small flushes and jam Jx+flushes. 89xx 45xx/nut low flushes are interesting, if he never bets AAxx on the river and checks back the turn with a lot of medium flushes then you want to be folding or shoving but if he can vbet worse and doenst have many flushes in his range and a bunch of air then call will be better. re-read HH. this is geniuinely tough, depends if he thinks we can reach the river with a high flush. Read it fine the first time?? If we can't reach the river with a high flush we're doing something seriously wrong but yeah you're right it depends what he thinks obviously. Title: Re: Horrible Level Spot Post by: Ironside on October 06, 2010, 03:12:08 PM From his line I think aaxx with hearts is possible and he is looking at feigning weekness to get you to commit more chips when he has a lock
Title: Re: Horrible Level Spot Post by: neverbluff67 on October 06, 2010, 06:46:59 PM PLO is a silly, silly game
Title: Re: Horrible Level Spot Post by: NoflopsHomer on October 06, 2010, 08:38:21 PM From his line I think aaxx with hearts is possible and he is looking at feigning weekness to get you to commit more chips when he has a lock Oh god I agree. I think I just threw up in my mouth. Title: Re: Horrible Level Spot Post by: SuuPRlim on October 06, 2010, 10:23:47 PM Title: Re: Horrible Level Spot Post by: SuuPRlim on October 06, 2010, 10:34:32 PM In your opinions, how standard is it for someone to Vbet AAxx naked here? I think it's safe to say he'd never expect me to fold any flush vs him here, but then the amount of smaller heart combo's I can have are limited, so it's quite possible he's betting for value vs a medium/high strength flopped hand.
AAxx is exactly the same hand as small flush relative, and - like you say - if he doesn't think I have many high flushes then he could easily Vbet AA, or a small flush, or even 89. I dont think he makes this bet ever for anything but value, unless he has maybe ATxx with Ahearts and is turnign his hand into a bluff somehow or attempting a crazxy merge cos he knows im a bit of a sheriff in these spots. So surely this rules a call out as I cant really beat anythign in his value range, JAM or FOLD ? Title: Re: Horrible Level Spot Post by: Ironside on October 07, 2010, 01:58:33 AM In your opinions, how standard is it for someone to Vbet AAxx naked here? I think it's safe to say he'd never expect me to fold any flush vs him here, but then the amount of smaller heart combo's I can have are limited, so it's quite possible he's betting for value vs a medium/high strength flopped hand. AAxx is exactly the same hand as small flush relative, and - like you say - if he doesn't think I have many high flushes then he could easily Vbet AA, or a small flush, or even 89. I dont think he makes this bet ever for anything but value, unless he has maybe ATxx with Ahearts and is turnign his hand into a bluff somehow or attempting a crazxy merge cos he knows im a bit of a sheriff in these spots. So surely this rules a call out as I cant really beat anythign in his value range, JAM or FOLD ? all your beating is a bluff its an easy fold IMHO Title: Re: Horrible Level Spot Post by: AlexMartin on October 07, 2010, 04:37:49 AM I would definitely c/c flop. You can't cr/jam vs someone who 3bs this infrequently and you just need this hand in your c/c range. River you can probably check jam anything that is a set or worse and just call all your small flushes and jam Jx+flushes. 89xx 45xx/nut low flushes are interesting, if he never bets AAxx on the river and checks back the turn with a lot of medium flushes then you want to be folding or shoving but if he can vbet worse and doenst have many flushes in his range and a bunch of air then call will be better. re-read HH. this is geniuinely tough, depends if he thinks we can reach the river with a high flush. Read it fine the first time?? If we can't reach the river with a high flush we're doing something seriously wrong but yeah you're right it depends what he thinks obviously. sorry dumb momeny Title: Re: Horrible Level Spot Post by: SuuPRlim on October 08, 2010, 09:28:18 AM In your opinions, how standard is it for someone to Vbet AAxx naked here? I think it's safe to say he'd never expect me to fold any flush vs him here, but then the amount of smaller heart combo's I can have are limited, so it's quite possible he's betting for value vs a medium/high strength flopped hand. AAxx is exactly the same hand as small flush relative, and - like you say - if he doesn't think I have many high flushes then he could easily Vbet AA, or a small flush, or even 89. I dont think he makes this bet ever for anything but value, unless he has maybe ATxx with Ahearts and is turnign his hand into a bluff somehow or attempting a crazxy merge cos he knows im a bit of a sheriff in these spots. So surely this rules a call out as I cant really beat anythign in his value range, JAM or FOLD ? all your beating is a bluff its an easy fold IMHO Jam ever? Title: Re: Horrible Level Spot Post by: Ironside on October 08, 2010, 09:53:37 AM I never jam a set on a flushed board river in plo, player dependant I will sometimes call, but here I can't see him folding better hands than yours, so your jamming to fold a bluff
Title: Re: Horrible Level Spot Post by: Patonius2000 on October 08, 2010, 01:05:37 PM In your opinions, how standard is it for someone to Vbet AAxx naked here? I think it's safe to say he'd never expect me to fold any flush vs him here, but then the amount of smaller heart combo's I can have are limited, so it's quite possible he's betting for value vs a medium/high strength flopped hand. AAxx is exactly the same hand as small flush relative, and - like you say - if he doesn't think I have many high flushes then he could easily Vbet AA, or a small flush, or even 89. I dont think he makes this bet ever for anything but value, unless he has maybe ATxx with Ahearts and is turnign his hand into a bluff somehow or attempting a crazxy merge cos he knows im a bit of a sheriff in these spots. So surely this rules a call out as I cant really beat anythign in his value range, JAM or FOLD ? all your beating is a bluff its an easy fold IMHO Jam ever? I mean it's not definitely either a jam or a fold you just need to work out how you want to play vs this villain and why. I think it is perfectly reasonable to call with 0 hands in this spot on the river but it doesn't necessarily mean it's the best strategy to exploit this villain. Some players never have a bluffing range in certain spots, I try to have a bluffing range for every spot for better or worse, a set is fairly near the bottom of my range here (and it is behind all his value range which you mention) so I would usually bluff with it (ie crai). Title: Re: Horrible Level Spot Post by: SuuPRlim on October 08, 2010, 01:41:22 PM I never jam a set on a flushed board river in plo, player dependant I will sometimes call, but here I can't see him folding better hands than yours, so your jamming to fold a bluff If he's bet calling 89 or AA then we DEFO shouldn't be Jamming! It would ofc be as a bluff if we were to shove. |