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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/scottish-premier/8150187/Scotlands-referees-vote-to-go-on-strike-next-weekend-after-barrage-of-criticism.html

** Hopes all Celtic supporters on blonde are offline for 24 hours ***

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/9214212.stm has the video of the Dundee United Incident

Rights and wrongs of the refereeing aside (and I know there is a chip on the shoulder about it going back decades), its way OTT to be sending hate mail to these guys, surely.

Good, whenever I switch onto Soccer Saturday I always do so just when the Scottish premier league results are showing on the vidi printer loop and it takes ages to get to (sigh) league one, particularly this season now they have rejigged all their displays and what not, which is a pain.

I presume that's why they are striking?

Surprised it's not happened before to be honest.  Ref's take all kinds of terrible abuse.   I'd expect a bit of verbal, especially with some of the decisions that get made, but death threats etc are too much.  It's been going on for years, about time the governing bodies did something about it.   

Fair play to them, horrible scenes watching Lennon scream in the officials face.

FYP. He's always been a twat.

Edit; Not as bad as that pillock of an ex home secretary though.

Death threats are clearly wrong.

Referees in Scotland however, have apparently no punishment for getting it wrong. We all make mistakes but in most walks of life there is severe punishment for trying to lie your way out of it. There was a big fuss in the press when the linesman from the Dundee Utd game resigned. Most of this was directed towards Celtic/Lennon and the blame for the resignation was firmly place in this direction until Craven said it was due to the Dallas and his cronies bullying him and trying to get him to cover up the mistake.

Best mistake in scottish football about 70 secs in. YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKuLtLXl7FI

Sandy

Yet to see any of the mate mail - the Refs Association said the linesman resigned due to threats to his familly from Celtic fans - he categorically denied it.

They said that Conroy (the ref from the Old Firm game) got threats over the phone, but he refused to get the police involved so as not to escalate it, then the Refs Association take it to the papers? Surely no-one buys that one.

The referreeing crisis is that their wee boys club is being scrutinised, they tried to cover up lies from MacDonald, but got caught, they then only gave him a warning, becuse they are the only ones who can judge themselves.

If they strike we can hire foreign refs, hopefully ones that wouldn't fail a refereeing exam.

Yet a couple of seasons ago the Rangers Manager manhandled the 4th official & nothing was done....

Nice and recent then, perhaps recent activities are the final straw after putting up with it for years.

There isn't a country that plays football where match officials make mistakes and get abuse. It was so bad that a "respect" campaign was started in England.

The officials may be fed up and i don't understand why anyone would want to do those jobs but i don't think that's why they are going on strike or at least it's not the whole picture.

Sandy

Lets not make this a "But now that it's Celtic they do something about it, Rangers always get away with it" sort of discussion.

It's bang out of order and needs to be dealt with.

The ref clearly got it wrong during the Dundee Utd match and should have just said "Listen, I gave it and immediately realised I Fed up so I decided to override myself"...that would have been job done...well, clearly not job done as Lennon would still have gone mental but that would have been the thing to do.

That didnt happen and it all kicked off since then. That ref should be punished, definitely. But the massive over-reaction there has been is plainly ridic.

lolol scottish football lolololol

They should be made to do what we had to when our Sunday League referee's didnt turn up - one member of each teams sideline referees one half each

They'll soon learn not to complain about the referee's again

although to be fair i think the standard of our Sunday League was about 2 rungs higher that the Scottish lower divisions...... :D

hardhats on. I remember what happened last time I compared scottish football to sunday league on here

the way it is run definitely compares....so does the level of footie TBH...and the attendance outside games the Old firm is involved in.

Having played Sunday Football and being an East Fife fan (dont ask :D) i feel in a position to make comparisons ;)

I remember one cold windy away game at Montrose in the middle of november where the highlight of the trip was trying to figure out what the meat was in the meat pies at half time!!

"He's black, he's gold his name is Arnold........" the chant of the 10 or so East Fife fans in the crowd of 202 that day watching East Fife's international Trinidad & Tobago striker Arnold Dwarika ;D

Why not? The referees already have making comments about 'certain clubs'.

Let's face it one of their own got caught. Their supervisor knew about it on the Sunday, but used the lies to slag off Lennon on the Monday & they all tried to cover it up till the Friday when Craven offered his resignation after an attack of honesty (Craven).

They then tried to blame the resignation on threats to Craven's familly - which he categorically denied. He also accused Dallas of trying to force him to continue the lies, and of bullying in general.

Since then the supervisor (Dallas) has been 'away', the refs (who decide who becomes a senior ref & investigate any 'failings' among refs), have only warned the liar, then threatened to go on strike after the majority were shown to have been incompetent right in the middle of last season.

Their house of cards is falling down, the group of lawyers, accountants & police officers which make up the refereeing establishment now find their cosy wee setup crumbling.

Good!

Matt, this is the same ref who, despite not having a view of the incident, sent a Celtic player off against Rangers last season without any consultation of the linesman who was right beside it. Then when he's 5 yards away with a clear view he gives a penalty, then asks the linesman who was further away & not in a position to decide to give his opinion - after the linesman has signalled acceptance of the penalty.

In no way is that acceptable. BTW he got the decision wrong, but shouldn't have had to as Hooper was fouled before the keeper even got near him.

So that's what we're up against.... sigh!!!

Cliffs: Scottish referees are revolting/

what do you mean that's what you are up against? Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation there are clearly inferences, innuendos and the like emanating from Parkhead are there not, including from John Reid?

I am not saying those inferences and innuendos are wrong, by the way, just that they must create an atmosphere of mutual mistrust and a bunker mentality amongst the referees.

If participants in the sport, whether celtic or other clubs, are going to be so blatant in their disregard for the authority that runs the game, then its quite difficult for that authority to matter isn't it? The SFA might deserve it, I don't know, but Celtic are reaping what they sowed surely?

So if referees lie during a game, then admit it later, then a couple of games later get denied a blatant penalty Lennon is allowed to be annoyed?

Is that reaping what we have sowed?

I was referring to the relationship between the SFA and Celtic, which Rod referred to above.

I really don't watch enough Scottish football to know if there is a correct long term grievance from Celtic towards refereeing performances in their games. Yes, it does appear in that Dundee United game the referee's performance and subsequent untruths, and more to the point the way that was handled by the SFA, was highly unsatisfactory. Whether that extends way back to the point where many Celtic fans have a chip on their shoulder about it to the extent they appear to, I don't know. For sure the attitude of Celtic towards the governing authority in the competitions they take part in wouldn't exactly be described as constructive would it?

What I am attempting to contend is that by crying wolf for years and years about referees and the SFA when the music stops and the object of the criticsm finally says "enough is enough, we're not doing it anymore" then Celtic as a club has reaped what it has sowed yes. This may not be a bad thing, if it leads to changes it would welcome.

Doubt Celtic have cried wolf over the years.

The SFA are incompetent in lots of ways, and to lots of clubs. Just that they have been more incompetent to Celtic over the years.

Pressure has got too much for the referees now and they think they are making a statement by going on strike, when in reality all they are doing is making things worse for themselves long term imo.

Before you go spouting your opinions, tell us where your allegiance lies.

 ;D

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1218366/EXCLUSIVE-Referee-Alan-Wiley-quit-threat-Manchester-United-boss-Sir-Alex-Fergusons-rant.html

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/article-23690685-stamford-bridge-referee-wont-quit-despite-abuse.do

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/referee-quits-over-chelsea-death-threats-528268.html

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1863/world-cup-2010/2010/07/08/2015948/i-did-not-quit-refereeing-because-of-world-cup-mistake

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/apr/05/arsenal-players-referee-premier-league

http://www.chad.co.uk/sport/football/mansfield-town-fc/stags_fury_over_referee_on_extraordinary_night_in_luton_1_1650768

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/200806413146126

Sandy

lol

lol seethe less guys.

Over the years in every league there has been incidents with refs and some team or other, including Rangers and Celtic, however in the last few weeks Celtic have taken abuse of refs to a new level, its embarrassing.  Lennons antics, Hoopers ridic press conference, Im not surprised they have had enough and are striking and bets of all its the perfect time for it as Rangers will avoid an away game against Dundee Utd on Sunday and give us time to get some players back from injury :D

Unlucky. The game is ON

Possibly with a ref from The Republic of Ireland. Enjoy :D

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/9216271.stm

GP: "The climate of inference, innuendo and conspiracy theories must stop"

journalist: "Who are you talking about in particular George?"

GP: "You can judge for yourself, I'm not mentioning any names"

So he should have said "the climate of inference and innuendo must stop, just after I've made this announcement."

George Peat is feckin clown maybe he would be better concentrating on ensuring the refs were fit for purpose -

From yesterdays Sunday Mail

MAILSPORT can today reveal more than 80 percent of Scotland's top refs have failed an SFA test on the laws of the game.
Of the 31 Category One officials who took part in the 30-question written exam, only FIVE achieved pass marks.
And the astonishing results will send yet more shockwaves through the corridors of power and Scottish football.
Refs chief Hugh Dallas was taken aback by the findings and immediately put plans in place to help improve our whistlers' knowledge.
In some countries such low marks would mean the officials could no longer take charge of further senior games. The test took place at a Spanish winter training camp in February.
The pass mark was 80 per cent but a document obtained by MailSport reveals over half of the Category One officials scored 70 per cent or under. Indeed, one whistler scored just 50 per cent.
All the officials were given their results in an email that also contained remarks from the Referee Development Department. And the ref with the 50 per cent score was told: "This is unacceptable. We will inform the Referee Committee of your results in the test.
"Concerns will be raised about your lack of knowledge and understanding of the Laws of the Game.
"The Development Department will furnish you with a test paper as a matter of urgency and you will sit it under examination conditions."
A score of between 70 per cent and 79 per cent was achieved by nine refs and they were informed: "If we operated in the same way as several other countries you would now require to be re-examined.
"Warning bells should be ringing and failure to achieve a pass mark is concerning for the department. We will be looking for a significant improvement in the next test."
The highest mark was 89 per cent and the ref was told: "A very good knowledge - you have to be congratulated for attaining this pass mark."
An SFA spokesperson last night tried to play down the findings and claimed officials were now tested about their knowledge every month.
The spokesperson said: "This was the first in a series of hypothetical awareness exercises. These exercises now take place at every monthly referees' meeting in a 10-question format.
"They are designed to test officials on some of the most unlikely and unusual scenarios they may encounter.
"The improvement in that awareness has been apparent since these assessments became part of our monthly meetings.
"I'm sure most people would agree that implementing such an assessment based on the Laws of the Game can only be a benefit to refs and the game in general."
This report will heap further pressure on our whistlers during a turbulent season.
Celtic have called for the SFA to dismiss ref Dougie McDonald after he admitted lying to Neil Lennon in the aftermath of last month's game between the Hoops and Dundee United at Tannadice.
McDonald tried to cover-up the real reason why he U-turned on a decision to award the Hoops a penalty.
Celtic went on to win 2-1 but the whistler's behaviour sparked a storm.
One of the assistant referees that afternoon, Steven Craven, quit in the wake of the game and claimed SFA bosses had hung him out to dry.
McDonald has yet to resign even though members of the SFA hierarchy feel he should go as soon as possible.

Predictably the media reaction is to deflect this onto Celtic you'd think we were the only team to criticise referees, its laughable, Walter Smith has had plenty of touchline bans, Jim Jeffries has had one already this season for criticising the ref against Celtic he then had to apologise when it shown the ref was right.

We are continually told that the referees integrity is beyond question, that is utter nonsense, one has already been caught lying, he should have resigned and if he refused then he should have been sacked as his position is untenable.
 

Current Scotland manager Craig Levein after a shambolic performance by Mike McCurry at Ibrox a couple of seasons back:

"It's impossible to win here in important games. The referee bottled it because he knew if he'd given the penalty Weir had to go.

He knew it was a penalty but the game was so important to Rangers he couldn't give it. The assistant probably had a better view than the ref but he won't put his head above the parapet, will he?

It's Rangers. At Ibrox. You cannae win that. An important game, a title decider? We cannae have Dundee United winning that game. Who gives a toss about United, eh?

Swanson's goal is a good one as well. It hits Weir and goes in. We deserved to get something from the game - but you CANNOT win.

I said to the ref we'd be as well not turning up. What's the point? Mike could have phoned me this morning and said: 'Look, Rangers are going to get the points, tell your lads to stay in the house.'"

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/2008/05/11/levein-blasts-referee-mike-mccurry-as-rangers-claim-controversial-victory-over-united-78057-20414114/

After this game the media defended McCurry, stating that as a church minister his integrity was beyond reproach.

Unfortunately for the married church minister, it was later discovered he was shagging his mates daughter.

He also lost his career as an accountant after being accused of 'misconduct and incompetence' by the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland.

But help Rangers out with a few dodgy decisions. Inconceivable!

Your team is rank and your manager is a whiner, its not the refs fault

Tsk, punctuation these days. I blame the schools.

Interesting take on things here from a non-Celtic website.

http://footballsfootball.com/WeknowSFA/media-hyperbole-sets-crucify-celtic/

I'm glad the point of the post didn't miss everyone like it did Tighty.

The whole cosy little cabal is coming crashing down & it's about time. They lie about decisions, their supervisor uses the lies, they lie about intimidation & hey - it's believed & we're the bad guys.

Funny thing is while Lennon's questioned Decisions, & Reid's demanded the resignation/sacking of the one proved to be dishonest, Hearts have accused refs of potential bias & match-fixing - but it's Celtic that are the bad guys......

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/20101031/hearts-call-for-increased-accountability-for-referees_2241384_2202854 (http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/20101031/hearts-call-for-increased-accountability-for-referees_2241384_2202854)

Just for clarification - George Peat calls for an end to inference & innuendo, while using inference & innuendo. I'd have thought that pretty obvious?

John Reid made no inference or innuendo, he flat out said the proven liar's position should be untenable - not much room to read anything else into it & not a lot can be said against it.

The SFA are reaping what they've sowed, and Celtic are quite happy. The season tickets are already sold for Saturday's match, the SFA are in a position to be sued for loss of earnings if they fail to honour their contract with the SPL, and our enemies are shooting themselves in the foot. Instead of 'seething' as some sad Fergus accolyte calls it, we're happy as sandbhoys.

As far as the SFA deserving it, ask Div about his dialogue with them over Stuart Dougal's self admitted cheating/incompetence.

lololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol

Can you imagine if Neil Lennon had given that interview the permaragers would have wanted him lynched. The actual footage is worth watching, Levein is clearly raging  seething.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlFpHriMd8A

By the way isn't it interesting how Dallas has suddenly vanished off the face of the earth, strange that! ;carlocitrone;

Celtic are a joke and a complete laughing stock with fans of all Scottish clubs with this paranoia shit they've been bleating on about for years. We are bored beyond belief with this rubbish. The club have helped make their fans believe there's some sort of a conspiracy, in fact they have played up to some of the most undesirable of their fans when they should be actively discouraging such nonsense. Some of what Rod has posted is a fine example of this paranoid drivel that some Celtic fans actually believe.

This team complain like f**k about correct decisions ffs!! Lennon was doing his nut about two decisions against Hearts recently too, another game Celtic lost, one was a red card for a two footed lunge by Joe Ledley that Lennon described as not even a foul, the next a penalty claim for Celtic where nothing was given, in fairness the ref did get that one wrong, it should have been an indirect free kick to Hearts for a dangerously high boot of that puppet Hooper. They continually act like the poker player who bleats on about bad beats but forgets about all the races they win or in Celtic's case the favourable decisions they get, and believe me they get loads.

I have less than no respect for Lennon, Dr Reid, Peter"Sporting Integrity"Lawell, and anyone else bleating on about conspiracy theories. Wake up, grow up, stop cheating (this is cheating, they don't want parity they seek an advantage), stop pouring fuel on the fires of hatred burning too brightly already where the OF are concerned especially with some of the cretins following both clubs. Celtic should be punished for all of this but they won't be, the shame they are bringing to their once great club may be punishment enough though.

I am sure there will be a lot of Celtic fans who will disagree with all I have said but it's pointless for me to try to reason with them or post any further on the matter, I mean why let the truth get in the way of a good conspiracy theory. I know a lot of Celtic fans who feel very uncomfortable with their clubs behaviour and how it is viewed by those outside of it.

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a reasonable article from an impartial BBC man (or not?)?

     
By Chick Young
BBC Scotland football reporter

Start the revolution on a Saturday: always a good thing.

The match officials who have decided that enough is enough are spot on to register their protest and withdraw their labour. Let's see how the whingeing clubs, in the words of Corporal Jones of Dad's Army, like it up 'em.

Celtic have set about Dougie McDonald with a baseball bat, a ridiculous over-reaction in the crime and punishment scenario of what went on during and after their fixture against Dundee United.

Their chairman even hijacked the club's annual general meeting to call for the resignation of a referee who, may I remind you, actually got right the penalty-kick decision which lit the blue - or rather green - touchpaper in the first place.

And now the game has got itself into a right little mess.

Here's the truth: you can't treat people like this.

You can't haunt their existence, call them cheats, stare into their private lives and expect them to sleep at night.

Less than two years ago Lex Gold, chairman at the time of the Scottish Premier League, proudly announced that club managers had agreed to refrain from speaking about refereeing decision after matches.

I screamed my protest and cynicism at the time. I knew it would never last and pointed out that this was Scottish football, not the editorial floor of Pravda. And last it didn't.

But the restraint crashed and burned in spectacular style despite then Celtic boss Gordon Strachan saying: "I think we should take the pressure off referees a bit."

This is a strike of protest, not a crowbar threat to embrace more money. Just a plea for clubs to understand about respect and decency.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with managers or players pointing out that decisions were wrong, if wrong they were. No-one is handing out halos to our referees.

But it has gone way too far.

I watch the game of rugby and the respect of players for match officials is clear. Referees have the right in their armoury to move kicks forward 10 yards in the wake of players questioning decisions and, maybe more importantly, they have the time to pore over video replays.

But right now, in the once beautiful game, you couldn't cross the gap between managers and referees with a transatlantic liner.

I'll be told if I'm wrong, but I don't recall the last time a match official was invited into the office for a post-match glass of wine or beer with the two managers.
   

Too many people in the game have forgotten how to smile, forgotten that indeed this is, after all, only a game.

Referees and their assistants have changed their ways. They guard their words and look over their shoulders like ventriloquists' dummies.

They look shell-shocked and haunted. It shouldn't be this way.

I admire their stance and indeed applaud it. The lunatics out there might see it as a triumph for their mad ways, but this is a cry for help.

And someone needs to come to the rescue.

The Scottish Football Association's silence has been deafening and if last week I argued that they needed time to contemplate their deployment, then now they need to act…fast and loud.

Celtic have had them on the ropes. They need to come out fighting.

Meanwhile I wonder what's on at the movies this Saturday afternoon...

No Tighty, Chick "St Mirren Fan" Young is not an impartial BBC man.

His diatribe is as impartial as max's.

Lol you all need, to get a grip.  Dallas "disappeared" because he reached the age that officials are forced to retire, which is a shame as he was 1 of our best officials.  You may have noticed some other refs have "disappeared", like Collina.  Maybe he shafted Celtic sometime too and took the easy way out?

I could take all the points listed on here about refs against celtic and point out the flaws/lies in each point and then list off many times Celtic have benefitted from refs/SFA decisions but its a waste of life and you're so brainwashed by all of this that you'd never agree anyway so Ill leave to to seethe in the tic cave with the rest.

Lets face it, even with the refs help it wouldnt have stopped Celtics complete capitulation in Europe, or the pumping we gave you in the 2nd half of the last old firm game on your own park.  Id be extremely embarrassed if the staff and board at Rangers acted like this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/3534955/Rangers-manager-Walter-Smith-explains-rant-about-assistant-referee-Football.html

http://soccernews.bigsoccer.com/article/0bF4cWg7jZ0B2

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1321011/Rangers-boss-Walter-Smith-blasts-flawed-SFA-Allan-McGregor-ruled-out.html

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Football:+REF+HAD+IT+IN+FOR+US;+Raging+Walter+blasts+bungling...-a0152665152

Walter Smith “But the second sending off is incredible. It meant we lost a player for the majority of the game for a circumstance that was not the case."

Walter Smith "“It's an incredible decision for a linesman who is in line with the play. We got a bad one at Tannadice earlier this season, which has been forgotten about, maybe because we don't make that much of a fuss about it - same situation here”

 Walter Smith "Mr MURPHY was quick to allow a Scott McDonald goal at Celtic Park last season. And he was quick to disallow that one tonight."

 Walter Smith "But we bring out the best in the Aberdeen support and sometimes the referees get carried away with that aspect, or should I say the linesman. It's not very often you see a linesman running 70 yards TO GET A PLAYER SENT OFF. They won't run for a ball and that is the one circumstance whichis a little disappointing. What is unusual is the linesman running 60-70 yards. IF HE WANTS TO BE A REFEREE, HE SHOULD BE AND NOT A LINESMAN."

Walter Smith "I don't think it was a sending off, BUT IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE REFEREE TO SEND HIM OFF"

Walter Smith "McGregor’s was an innocuous foul. In fact it wasn’t even a foul, but that is how they see it and we can’t do anything about it. Last season, they (the SFA) quickly organised a disciplinary hearing for Kenny Miller’s appeal, SO THAT HE WOULD MISS THE CELTIC GAME"

Sandy

I absolutely cannot stand celtic.

Just utterly horrible.

The next time I see him in Luton I'm not even gonna acknowledge him.

:)

:)

Forgive my ignorance, genuinely, but why would Chick being a St Mirren fan be so bad and render his views completely pointless?

Is there a single commentator/journalist on Scottish football who is neutral and respected on all sides and thus worth reading for a balanced view on this? If so, who? Links if you like.

Deflect and deny, remember Farrygate, that was Celtic paranoia as well.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sport/football/292088.stm

He never did take legal action.

We don't want respect from permaragers, we want transparency.

I can't think of another way to say this but are you really that thick?

I'm talking about Dallas being the head of Referee Development and vanishing when all this is kicking off after he initially waded into the Dougies lies fiasco by trying to cover it up.

I find that strange, just saying like  :)

Good luck finding this.

Kind of why I asked, and I sense part of the problem

Not exactly a Patrick Barclay, Henry Winter or Matt Dickinson setting a respected agenda in the media on it up there is there? Unless someone tells me I am wrong


Roddy Forsyth is a big Rangers man isn't he, for example?

Because he doesn't actually support St Mirren, its quite common amongst journalists up here, Bill Leckie is another "St Mirren" fan who was outed live on the radio by Simon Mayo of all people :D.

Dougie Donnelly is a "Clyde" fan, Andy McInnes an "Airdrie" fan. I've no idea why they do this.

I don't mind RF, he is a Rangers man but he's pretty objective usually as is Graham Speirs another Rangers man.
Glenn Gibbons who used to write for The Scotsman was good, he is a Celtic fan, after that I'm really struggling the standard is appalling.

Hugh McIlvanney is obviously  different class but is English based and writes mostly about boxing, I've no idea who he supports.

the funny thing is, when I started this thread I didn't even consider the fact that it would go all celtic this, rangers that, blah, blah, blah. I guess we've been spoilt for a while with avoiding it

cba to read most of the posts but I'm sure you're both really hard done by

Moved up to Scotland a few years ago, I had zero interest in SPL until I moved there.  Most ridic thing ever is nobody is impartial, theres no balance view, imo

Reminds me to much of this.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh33bGAxl58

To be fair I even laughed at Chick Young being described as impartial.

Not exactly the same issue but not completely unlinked.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/9225458.stm

sorry about that, had no idea. Darn Sarf, BBC journos affiliations are often unknown. Had a reasonable acquaintance with the BBC's Barry Davies for several years, and he would never tell me who he supported, for example

Haha, would be pretty ridic if Dallas got the sack. Comedy email imo. Hardly sectarianism as is being claimed.

He gets off tomorrow,Stuart  Regan wanted him sacked but the old guard closed ranks and backed dallas

That's twice you've completely missed the sarcasm (which I thought was really obvious) in my posts. I thought we only needed cue cards for Boba, the man who thinks Hugh Dallas going missing is because he retired as a ref, when instead he's the referees supervisor. Good luck with any credibilty in theis debate going forwards son.....

Do you think he should have been sacked because of that email?

Agoin though - if they're willing to strike over their 'integrity' being questioned they have to get rid of anyone whose integrity is proven questionable.

Personally I think Dallas deserves the sack before MacDonald does - he knew MacDonald had lied on the sunday night, but still attacked Neil Lennon on the Monday saying he'd accepted the referee's explanation. That was using the lie to score points.

Also the referee's association, through the SFA reported that Craven (the linesman in the Celtic v Dundee Utd game) resigned due to abuse and threats from Celtic fans to his family. When he spoke it he categorically denied those accusations. So there's more than one liar there.

I personally believe that Collum lied about his 'death threats', his reason for no police involvement? Not wanting to escalate things and make it worse, but a day later it's in all the press (from the SFA/Ref's Association) & it's us bad Celtic fans again. That one's really not credible.

In the end the only ones attacked in this whole sorry affair? A Celtic player's family and friends, besieged in his house in the aftermath of a Rangers victory, but we're the bad guys.

He should not be sacked for that although in many businesses emails of that ilk do get people sacked. Many people do it so why sack someone ?

However he should be sacked for his actions in the penalty aftermath. The linesman has said he pressured him to continue the lie. The ref admitted to telling lies. Dallas did hee haw.

Sandy

In the position he's in, yes probably he should be given the sectarianism in Scotland. He should never have got the role as his most famous moment was a blatant regard of the laws of football.

Not to me, and I am not the stupidest person in the world. If I was expected to know that being a "St Mirren fan" was a euphemism for being a rabid Rangers fan then gg me. I retire from trying to understand Scottish football lol

FYP (well, hijacked it really).

BTW I was questioning Boba's credibilty, not yours.

I thought putting"" round a statement like that signified quoting others when you didn't believe it. Next time I'll put [ ] St Mirren fan /end[ ].

Still Rich, missing the obvious stupidity in Peat's statement at the beginning of all this was a bit of a cockup for a man of your intelligence.

maybe, but I wasn't looking for it!

Anyway, only trying to understand, and struggling to get to grips with the nuances of all this, which seem steeped in decades of bitterness. Possibly with justification, but it depends who I talk to!

Teacake ftw.

That's an ecumenical matter  :D

Seriously I think he should be sacked but I hate the man with a vengeance. I remember when he was refereeing in the Lanarkshire amateur leagues years ago, he used to ref the games almost from the touchline, basically like a linesman, it was bizarre, he was a complete fud back then as well, he just loved the attention, a complete ego maniac.

At worst the email is sectarian at best it shows  a complete lack of judgement from a senior office holder in an organisation who are supposed to be acting along with others in ridding Scottish football of sectarianism. Its hardly the best use of company time and facilities to forward something which is blatantly mocking the Catholic Church as well as joking about child abuse.

Completely unrelated but a question for Scottish blondes.....
Just seen Ally McCoist while watching the Rangers V Man U game. On his jumper he has his initials as AMc

Why does the "c" need to be there? His initials are AM aren't they?

I've seen this with other Scottish managers/coaches/players but never questioned it before.

I refuse to tap that one in !!!

Sandy

pmsl

LOL Sandy.

The Mc signifies son of, so really it should be McC - as in Robert de Niro would be RdN.

Does it?  Never knew that.

I thought he meant disappeared from reffing, tbh I dont read celtic related posts from you, teacake, div and Dave when he was here, always paranoid nonsense.  You've got a cheek to question anyones credibility, sometimes I question your credibility in life.  Youve barely posted on the forum recently and then you come back and post all this paranoid drivel.  Save it for your Celtic forums where you all blissfully seethe together and agree that the whole world is against you.

Oh and WD in avoiding all the points about your paranoid attitude, the overreaction and embarrassment caused by your club and instead focus on me thinking Teacake meant something else.

I am usually sympathetic towards Celtic whenever I bother to think about Scottish football.

But the idea there is a concerted conspiracy against them is beyond ridiculous.

People make mistakes, it is just standard deviation that more mistakes have happened to be made to the detriment of Celtic than other teams recently.

Celtic and their fans need to grow up and stop whinging.

Over-reaction about our club more like, Houston of Dundee United & the Hearts Chairman have said worse things about the refs this season than Reid or Lennon, but it wouldn't fit the agenda for honesty to figure in the whole debacle would it.

Oh well, that's it over and done with then, the Camel has spoken. ::)

I'm assuming you mean disregard but I have been thinking about it and can't really think of the moment you are referring to?

Robert de Niro is a football manager in the SPL?

(@Silo - the same goes for O' in O'Neill  or the van in Dutch names)

My appologies, yes DISregard.

He was made a national hero for making a debacle of the league deciding game Celtic v Rangers. I'm sure you will remember what he did wrong there....

Refs have confirmed they will def strike this weekend.

Good to see them make a decision and stick to it...

They had to ask the linesman first though.

Hearing this is going to escalate further very soon. SPL have said games are still on though.

OMG, I actually think you are serious!!  Why would any Celtic fan want reminded of that game or draw anyone's attention to it? The moment he is most famous for certainly was in that game and it came when he got his head on the end of a coin thrown by one of "the greatest fans in the world".

And had him windows panned in by an angry Celtic fan after the game while he sat watchin telly with his family

Yes & he was made a national hero for ignoring the laws of the game. Celtic fans were in the wrong that day, but so was Dallas, who should never have been given the game after applying for a job at Celtic and being rejected.

Wee test - what laws of the game did he ignore?

Latest Breaking news, according to a free-lance journalist (the one who broke the Dallas email story):


I understand that Regan took on the percieved anti-Asian bias in Yorkshire Cricket & won, so it'll be interesting if he can take on the old boys club of the SFA......

Names and sources? hidden cloak and dagger stuff Rod; sure you didnt just write that yourself?

Paul you support Rangers we support Celtic we are not going to agree an almost anything, get over it, we're not trying to change your mind or convince you of anything, that would be pointless. Your contributions to the thread have amounted to a couple of lols and a total misread. The paranoia stuff is lazy and tiresome btw, you stick up for your club, we'll stick up for ours.

If you hardly bother to think about Scottish football how do you know what is ridiculous and what isn't in it? You're hardly speaking from a position of knowledge.

So the strike goes ahead, do we know what the refs want yet?

Surely in any dispute you must have a clear objective of what you want to achieve and a fall back position that you'll settle for, the refs don't seem to have either. Regan and Doncaster seem to be trying their best with them but the refs look like they want to withdraw their labour regardless.

They are also setting a dangerous precedent withdrawing thier services whenever they feel like it.

They want to be able to screw up, cover up and not have the people who have a livelihood at stake to have a right to say anything.

Sandy

To be fair, Rich, I think you have a right to assume that BBC employees will be fair, impartial, and well informed.

Being state funded, and particularly in these austere times, you'd presume they would provide a balanced, insightful perspective.

Unfortunately, BBC Radio Scotland has gone very much down the low-rent, tabloid path. The host of their main phone in recently had to apologise to a Celtic fan after accusing him of being an idiot and a bigot, simply because he disagreed with the agenda the host was promoting.

It doesn't help that as well as hosting a BBC show, he is also Sports Editor (last I checked) at a declining tabloid. Hence his radio show is used as a platform for promoting his tabloid's agenda.

Frankly, as an English taxpayer, I think you'd be very entitled to wonder how Radio Scotland was spending your money.

Official Statement from Scottish Referees Association:

After due consideration the Scottish Referees Association have decided to go ahead with the planned strike on the weekend of 27/28 November 2010. Over recent weeks the level of criticism aimed at referees across Scotland has reached a point where referees have been unable to carry out their business and private lives in a normal manner. The challenges to our integrity and professionalism by certain parties is unjust, and we believe that people in positions of authority should show more professionalism in comments made to the media and the public.

On top of this, the injury crisis at Ibrox has to be given due consideration. The Rangers could really do with a break this weekend, and it is the duty of the Scottish Referees Association, in conjunction with the Establishment, to give the Queen's XI a well earned rest'.

Sandy

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much?

ive just found this thread superb.....take me a week to digest it all... were not paranoid! well not totally,well maybe just a bit, ;boltpp;

Thread shoulda ended here tbh, about the only post that gets it right.

WP Greeky

Geo

Newsflash :- The SFA have decided against using foreign referees after one awarded a penalty against Rangers at Ibrox on Wednesday night  ;)

A real newsflash this time, Hugh Dallas has left his post as head of refereeing with the SFA. No details yet as to the reasons behind it.

clearly the pope stuff was true then lol

That chips massive,or does she just have really small shoulders,hmm.

Same source who is now 4 weeks of SFA worrying & 5 SFA P45's to the good.

At what point Tighty will the chip be justified?

Some questions for Celtic fans about "the Establishment" or "SFA old boys club" that has been persecuting your club for decades. 

How many SFA presidents since the end of the second world war have been Celtic men?

How many other prominent members of the SFA have been Celtic men?

In fact are there any Celtic men holding a prominent position within the SFA at the moment?

Find the answers and you will see that Celtic are a prominent part of the establishment that you say is treating Celtic less fairly than other clubs.  ;dingdell;

who reffed yesterday's games in the end?

Agree.....fkn hilarious...but also


Extremely embarrassing...

Being the eternal optomist and Celtic fan....I find it incredulous that a professional would jeopordise his standing to make decisions against one team in favour of another...but....


Proffessionals....they ain't.....

In my proffesion there is no hiding place
....


Fuck it up...n u get sacked


Simples

Yada yada yada - answer the question you were asked.

Then expand on those in 'the establishment' who you are attempting to use to further your vain attempt to show the lack of bias.

Then explain Jim Farry, who seems to have been posthumously exonerated by the Scottish press even though a court found him guilty of what you say is a figment of our imagination.

Then explain Kevin O'Donnell's career, or that of Mr Murphy, the man the Rangers manager so inexplicably name-checked repeatedly while pointing the 2 decisions he'd made that were percieved to be against Rangers?  How many games has he been involved in since? Bad decisions v Celtic - you referee the next cup final, bad decisions v Rangers - bye bye Timmy.......

Then discuss the vice President of the Referee Committee being a Rangers shareholder.

You come across much the same as the referees & the old school SFA - mucho accusation with little substance as the world falls down around you.

5 6 down more to go..... Peat next?

We're bad bhoys you know, slag the soldiers so we do.....

Where to start with this little lot.

Lets start with mucho accusation, exactly what accusation have I made? That Celtic have key figures in the SFA and have had many key figures in the SFA and SFL over the years, hardly an accusation more a statement of fact. Unlike the accusations emanating from Parkhead this is fact that can be backed up and proven.

As for your 6 down more to go comment, I am genuinely appalled. I doubt four of those, a secretary, an audio visual technician, a mailroom manager, and an administrative assistant had a lot of clout in the "establishment's conspiracy" against Celtic. Four people losing their jobs for a minor misconduct in forwarding an inappropriate email where a warning should suffice, if they go to a tribunal they should win. They are also really going to struggle to find new jobs after losing their jobs in the circumstances in which they have in these economic times. Massive victory though Rod, glad you are pleased.

There is no doubt the late Jim Farry made a mistake and was found guilty of unnecessarily delaying the registration of Jorge Cadette, that certainly is a fact. He was not found guilty of deliberately disadvantaging Celtic as you seem to suggest. On this particular matter it's my belief is that it was more a demonstration of his arrogance and self importance while chief executive of the SFA than part of a conspiracy. You see we didn't have lot of love for him in the blue half of the OF either.

I won't enter into any debate on Murphy or O'Donnell as I know little about either of them, I didn't even remember their names until you posted this. I knew little of them before or after the decisions you mention which would mean they probably weren't among the top referees we had. I think I recall the decisions you refer to though but I could be wrong, if it's the ones that I am thinking of they were both incorrect calls rather than perceived incorrect calls, but no point bleating about them now.  Walter was wrong in what he said here and I won't defend him for it, to be honest I find it embarrassing and he should have been censured for it.

As you point out quite correctly Rangers too have had a lot of key figures in the SFA and SFL, I didn't claim or suggest they hadn't. It just seems to be forgotten about that Celtic do too and that fact alone makes the conspiracy theory utterly ridiculous as far as I am concerned. Good luck proving it exists though.

anyone?

With your selective replies & constant chaff to try and cover what's going on at least you got 2 things right Max.

The 'innocents' have possibly been hard done by, as I would because I'd be sacked for the same offense, so I'm not adding my crocodile tears to yours.

Still more to come though - the gun's loaded, but the old saying goes 'never interupt your enemy as he's making a mistake', the current crisis is outing the press, the pen-pushers and all those with an interest in keeping the status quo.....

Congratulations Max on making the cover-up team.  Im happy for you.  Lets not let the "truth" get out  lol

Refs from Israel and Luxembourg.  The Polish refs pulled out when they heard it was Celtic causing all the trouble why the refs were on strike

You've got to love the mockrage  :D

It might be minor misconduct in the Ayrshire ludges and bowling clubs but its not with any company who has any sense of corporate responsibility not to mention the reputational damage caused if this got out for an organisation attempting to rid Scottish football of sectarianism. They won't go to a tribunal and if they do they won't win if the SFA have followed correct procedure.

This could only end one way for Dallas, he was the architect of his own downfall.

Loving Celtic's new spokesman on the subject - Paul McBride QC. Let's see them try and ban him/Celtic without making sure everything they do is strictly legal :).

Oh, and he's qualified to talk about match officials - he was one.

One serious question though.

Celtic have demanded root & branch reform of the SFA and the disciplinary procedures in particular, now so have the referees, whether there is or isn't bias within the SFA & among SFA's officials, the end result will be a more modern SFA & we can continue on hopefully with a better system. What is so wrong with that?

So please give me the outrageous quotes against our poor beleagured refs then Boba, Max, anyone....

How about these:


or


or


or


Show me the quotes from Celtic worse than those & you can continue with your 'all Celtic's fault' argument. Celtic's actual comments have been fairly well measured.

Sorry Rod, Im too busy helping to cover up this National conspiracy against Celtic to go googling my life away

So you admit you were talking pish? (Not for the first time on the thread)

Good article:-

http://blogs.dailyrecord.co.uk/jimtraynor/2010/11/is-sfa-chief-stewart-regan-out.html

Good article?

Only for Celtic fans in that we can sense his real pain. He must be longing for the days when he could happilly write articles about the fine wine & succullent lamb David Murray would share with him for dinner, while outlining the era of total domination in Scotland & Europe that awaited them.

WTF has that got to do with THIS article? your just starting to come across as what you are: a bitter Keyboard warrior!!!

What's good about it?

Lol no, does it look like an admission of anything?  In case you havent worked it out Im taking the piss.  

There's nothing going on though Rod, that's the point. Only in the minds of the most gullible fans in the world is there something going on. The only cover up was the smoke screen created in part to avoid the really hard questions Celtic's shareholders should have been asking Dr Reid and Peter "Sporting Integrity" Lawwell at the AGM on the 18th November.

All that is still to come is the punishment of Hooper, Lennon, and Dr Reid. All three will be treated leniently as the SFA lack the balls to punish them or the club properly. Then again we all know Celtic are big players within the SFA even if you don't like that fact.

Thanks, I am going to get covering up the conspiracy against Celtic added to my CV, should open a few doors for me.  :D

Happy st Andrews day all.

That sentence just doesn't make sense. Mind you, given your appreciation for Traynor's bitter little diatribe, that shouldn't surprise me.

Still selectively reading Max, still ignoring the questions put to you? I've tried to draw it out of you, but you haven't the 'intergrity' to address it, simply put if you are still on about Hooper, Lennon & Reid needing punished while ignoring those whose allegations against the referees have been far worse than you show yourself up as a sad little man unwilling to face the fact that no matter how much you may want it to be so, on this occaission Celtic have won the fight.

All 3 you want punished will be treated leniently, reason being - if they aren't we'll screw the SFA to the wall for punishment after changing the rules, and for letting others off with worse. (I know you think we're worse, but that's in your wee heid, until you man up and back your points, your opinion means as little as the rest of the permaragers).

For Hairydude, the lover of journalism..... little chance of this article appearing in the Scottish rags...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2010/nov/30/investigative-journalism-scotland?CMP=twt_gu (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2010/nov/30/investigative-journalism-scotland?CMP=twt_gu)

Hmmm, resorting to personal abuse now Rod, inaccurate personal abuse at that, nice. I'll refrain from that, I'm above it.
 
I really shouldn't encourage you but which of my points do you want backed up.

Actually forget that last bit, there's no point.

I'm in the same boat Max cant be a***d going back and forward on this thread.... what I will say though is that I am one of the few Rangers fans that hopes all this hysteria and furore over SFA, Officials, media agenda, conspiracy theories etc continues for at least a few months more.... I want you guys to use this tripe as excuses for dropping points (instead of concentrating on things like dropping the last 4 points due to woeful defending), the more this goes on the longer you'll have taken your eye off the prize so long may your club continue their noble crusade.

[  ]This whole thread makes me proud to be Scottish

[  ]   I can tell who supports which side. 

Just so long as nobody is defending the indefensible I'm happy ;)

rangers do nothing but defending and celtic dont know how too

A governing body in association football coming under open and widespread allegations of partiality and corruption from the UK media, if a week is a long time in politics then it appears to be an absolute eternity in football!:)

Its all conspiracy theories and paranoia on the WC thread.

Is it too late to have a "is Dallas a ***** poll"?

The disapproving tone won't go away though - after all a worldwide corruption ring is FAR more likely than one in a wee country with a previous record of partiality and corruption.....

I was thinking the exact same after reading the seethe thread.But it would only warrant a Ban, like I got given when I had an Avatar exposing the corruption over 6 months ago.
If someone stuck simiiar up for the World Cup Commitee they wold have more chance of becoming a Mod on here than getting a Ban.

Needs more love