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Title: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: paulhouk03 on December 04, 2010, 10:04:10 AM
the loose cannon has 140k in profit atm

do you think its ok to fold aces and kings in his situation to lock up the napt passport.

i think the money is very significant to him because he he comments saying this is 3 years salary to him.

http://pokertube.com/free-poker-videos?movie=15592&title=PokerStars_Big_Game_Ep64_2_2


not too sure i will ever fold kings to david williams raise


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: gatso on December 04, 2010, 10:43:18 AM
the AA fold is utter genius when you see the flop


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: paulhouk03 on December 04, 2010, 10:48:57 AM
the AA fold is utter genius when you see the flop

would u of folded aa pre?


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: George2Loose on December 04, 2010, 11:18:05 AM
Course if the money means enough you can. Pretty unique situation. Not like a normal cash game where he can just get up and leave. He can't even make a huge over shove pre cos its pot limit pre


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: Cf on December 04, 2010, 11:35:55 AM
Yeah I don't mind the folds at all. I wouldn't even be looking at my cards here tbh. Stars prob told him he had to or something.


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: titaniumbean on December 04, 2010, 12:45:46 PM
Aces fold is all skill. Quads no good sir. rotflmfao

Did love the limp fold on the button with KK, just put that 4 bet in they are tez !!


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: Girgy85 on December 04, 2010, 01:46:11 PM
LOL @ Phil Laak "This pot is like $4"


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: pleno1 on December 04, 2010, 01:59:10 PM
How much is the NAPT worth? $50k? I much rpefer shoving with AA/KK than folding


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: GreekStein on December 04, 2010, 02:00:47 PM
How much is the NAPT worth? $50k? I much rpefer shoving with AA/KK than folding

its pot limit pre flop


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: Boba Fett on December 04, 2010, 03:56:44 PM
How much is the NAPT worth? $50k? I much rpefer shoving with AA/KK than folding

Its only worth $50k if you brick every event, if you cash in something its obv worth more.

I think its correct to fold every hand without looking.  He can blind out till the end and be gtd the passport and a nice profit.  Its not a normal cash game, its a game show where you need to make more profit than the other cannons and the best way to hang onto it is fold blind


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: pleno1 on December 04, 2010, 04:17:44 PM
meh you live once, there's a rich businessmen to your right laying 64vpip and doesnt bet much when he has big hands. (didnt stack hellmuth w/top2vbtm2) I think at least set mining with AA/KK is fine. The guy genuinely seemed over the moon and I was happy for him but I think it was abit of a waste, would much prefer to see a 21y/o degenerate who wanted to spin the money up.


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: keilan303 on December 04, 2010, 05:09:47 PM
Just horrible, ive played enough cash games with one buy in to my name, those are the hands you are waiting for, each spot should have been a pot raise if he didn't want to play down the streets, 4 betting the kings any day...


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: paulhouk03 on December 04, 2010, 05:14:28 PM
I just think its too good of an opportunity to make some cheeeze
Winning 20k is still awesome


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: GreekStein on December 04, 2010, 09:59:18 PM
ive played enough cash games with one buy in to my name

+1

fun innit


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: titaniumbean on December 04, 2010, 10:11:45 PM
Just horrible, ive played enough cash games with one buy in to my name, those are the hands you are waiting for, each spot should have been a pot raise if he didn't want to play down the streets, 4 betting the kings any day...


i'd be more likely to 4 bet the kings than I would be to play the Aces.


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: pleno1 on December 04, 2010, 11:44:54 PM
williams had 50k, just get it in against him, and fold against the 200k stacks.


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: keilan303 on December 05, 2010, 01:33:06 AM
ive played enough cash games with one buy in to my name

+1

fun innit

If you call 4 bet folding AKs fun ;)


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: cambridgealex on December 06, 2010, 07:05:07 AM
just pot the aces with a speech "i have aces, please fold i cant afford to lose this" or simila. maybe even pot it and show them if thats allowed?


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: DaveShoelace on December 06, 2010, 08:01:26 AM
just pot the aces with a speech "i have aces, please fold i cant afford to lose this" or simila. maybe even pot it and show them if thats allowed?

That would be the worst thing he could do, everyone would call knowing he is going to fold to the first half pot bet on any flop that doesn't contain an ace.


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: buzzharvey22 on December 06, 2010, 08:39:07 AM
probably the worst big game epidsode ever. people sitting with maggot stacks, laak and cada just redic nitty. williams just plays rediculous  lol and a loose cannon who didnt play for the 2nd half


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: cambridgealex on December 06, 2010, 05:18:05 PM
just pot the aces with a speech "i have aces, please fold i cant afford to lose this" or simila. maybe even pot it and show them if thats allowed?

That would be the worst thing he could do, everyone would call knowing he is going to fold to the first half pot bet on any flop that doesn't contain an ace.

yeh true...


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: titaniumbean on December 06, 2010, 05:34:57 PM
just pot the aces with a speech "i have aces, please fold i cant afford to lose this" or simila. maybe even pot it and show them if thats allowed?

potting AA there is a really bad idea with the knowledge they already have of him.

IIRC it's opened to 2k with a flat call and he's in the SB. even if he does a repot he can't get much in pre combined with him playing so poorly that with how much the money can affect him he is much better off just open folding. The kings spot is a much better spot to 'gamble' if he is going to at any stage because of the relative amounts of stacks that he can get in but even then any chance of getting sucked out on may mean he doesn't want to take that chance.


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: Boba Fett on December 07, 2010, 12:54:17 AM
just pot the aces with a speech "i have aces, please fold i cant afford to lose this" or simila. maybe even pot it and show them if thats allowed?

potting AA there is a really bad idea with the knowledge they already have of him.

IIRC it's opened to 2k with a flat call and he's in the SB. even if he does a repot he can't get much in pre combined with him playing so poorly that with how much the money can affect him he is much better off just open folding. The kings spot is a much better spot to 'gamble' if he is going to at any stage because of the relative amounts of stacks that he can get in but even then any chance of getting sucked out on may mean he doesn't want to take that chance.
He said on 2p2 he wouldve got it in against Williams but the businessman guy was between them with a big stack and had been a station and had been running hot so didnt want to risk a confrontation with him


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: titaniumbean on December 07, 2010, 01:10:58 AM
just pot the aces with a speech "i have aces, please fold i cant afford to lose this" or simila. maybe even pot it and show them if thats allowed?

potting AA there is a really bad idea with the knowledge they already have of him.

IIRC it's opened to 2k with a flat call and he's in the SB. even if he does a repot he can't get much in pre combined with him playing so poorly that with how much the money can affect him he is much better off just open folding. The kings spot is a much better spot to 'gamble' if he is going to at any stage because of the relative amounts of stacks that he can get in but even then any chance of getting sucked out on may mean he doesn't want to take that chance.
He said on 2p2 he wouldve got it in against Williams but the businessman guy was between them with a big stack and had been a station and had been running hot so didnt want to risk a confrontation with him


ah sick I'll have to go find the thread. Ty :)up


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: SuuPRlim on December 07, 2010, 06:50:36 AM
the AA fold I dont mind so much cos when he pots they all just gonna call, but the KK hand when he can get it in vs willaims to fold there is just an absolute embarrasment. You can Jam and get it in pre for 30k and still be up 6figs if you loose. Shockingly bad.


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: Longy on December 08, 2010, 01:36:40 PM
Just watched this, I am fine with folding both given his personal circumstances. 100k is clearly a massive amount of money to him and also he is locking up an extra 50k in potential equity with the NAPT passport.



Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: pleno1 on December 08, 2010, 01:40:58 PM
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz hundreds if not thousands apply for this, who wants to watch this guy fold kings with a tilted David Williams and 30k behind him. bore


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: SuuPRlim on December 08, 2010, 04:15:51 PM
regardless of personal cirumstances.

The offer, gamble $30k of ur $130k profit get 5/2 and at best ur 1/3 fave to win.
he looses, he still eaves with 90-95k, he still a decent favourite for the NAPT passport

He wins - he leaves with 170k profit minimum
He basically locks up the NAPT passport

You will NEVER EVER in your entire life get an oppurtunity better than this in ur entire life, to turn it down is pre ridiculousness. If I folded here i swaer down even if I was $100k in debt with laonsharks knocking on my door Id not be able to live with myself

Terrible


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: gatso on December 08, 2010, 04:43:12 PM
You will NEVER EVER in your entire life get an oppurtunity better than this in ur entire life

but this is the reason that it's acceptable to fold. it's a one off situation so there's no long term ev to consider

if we were in this situation daily then passing would clearly be terrible, once in our lives then it's fine and really down to personal choice


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: pleno1 on December 08, 2010, 04:44:27 PM
if you are scared to do this then you need to really sort your life out imo.


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: Girgy85 on December 08, 2010, 05:01:44 PM
Peeleno is my fave blonde poster atm!


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: George2Loose on December 09, 2010, 10:53:44 PM
Great points from single people with no children to think of.

Entirely different complexion when u have kids- hate to be the dousche to say it but when some of you have kids (u have to have sex first obv) then youlll perhaps realise why he folded both hands.

BTW cant believe no ones mentioned hellmuths call- for the years hes been playing how can he fall for that bs speech?


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: pleno1 on December 09, 2010, 11:04:46 PM
lol yeah that call was terrrrrrrible. I don't mind him folding aces, just gtfo off the show. Have someone who is entertaining, had enough sob stories from X factor tolast me a lifetime, don't need people on poker tv programmes which I watch for good entertainment and good poker not to start folding the American airlines and cowboiiiiis.

Anyway, clever pokerstars, they have everyone all over the net talkign about it,videos on youtube "folding pocket aces pre" things fish search for after they fold aces in their local donkament.


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: paulhouk03 on December 09, 2010, 11:10:35 PM
Maybe hellmuth knew about his situation and wanted to give him some money. And he knows clowns will try it against him all the time with air and he will snap them and win lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


He is on level 250000000000 of poker!!!

<3 hellmuth


Title: Re: the big game - folding aces and kings pre
Post by: SuuPRlim on December 11, 2010, 01:55:28 PM
yeah, when will people learn not to make this stupid sepachs

"I can't let you do it to me again"
"I dont think you have it"
"you cant call me"

allllllllllllllllll bulshizzzzzzzzle