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Title: Funding future live updates...........
Post by: RickBFA on December 22, 2010, 12:25:41 PM
I read this site every day but have hardly ever posted.

The site gives me hours of free information and entertainment especially the live updates by TightEnd, the latest one was outstanding.

I understand there will be a changing relationship with DTD in January and TightEnd mentioned that live updates would end I presume because of the changing relationship along side funding issues this brings.

It would be a crying shame if these updates ended. If funding for the cost of updates, expenses etc could be found, would DTD be open to updates continuing on Blonde?

I'd be happy to put £50 in the kitty towards update costs. If there were 100 other members averaging £50 each, there would be £5,000 in the kitty. Maybe it's much more complicated than just funding?

I'd been thinking about this for a while and was prompted by getting my season ticket renewal through from Hillsborough at £430 for watching sh!te League One football every other week. £50 towards Blonde update costs seems like great value to me.

Is there any appetite for donations from members to keep these updates running?


Title: Re: Funding future live updates...........
Post by: TightEnd on December 22, 2010, 12:32:36 PM
thank you for the post

As far as DTD updates are concerned, the first issue is do DTD want us to do them? If the answer is yes its whether they are prepared to fund them or not. If not, I need to fund them or do them for free.

As far as non DTD updates (GUKPT etc) are concerned, its a simple funding issue.


We used to do a full slate of events, but couldn't afford them from late 09 onwards.

Since, we've done a few with the help of benefactors. I've done some voluntarily.

I'd prefer to do them because blondes are supporting our sponsors and as a result we are earning enough money to support them, but if not then a kitty would allow us to keep them going.

Cost wise a one person DTD update is £350 or so for a weekend, two people £600

a 4 day GUKPT assuming travel and hotel is required, and two updaters to do it properly £1300-1400 or so. One person £650-700 or so (3-4 hotel nights being the major issue)


Title: Re: Funding future live updates...........
Post by: Eso Kral on December 22, 2010, 12:48:03 PM
As Tighty,Tikay and Sharples know i would happily contribute maybe anyone who is interested in doing so should post on here with the amount they are committed to.
I would happily put in £100 earth pounds for next year payable in cash  $$ or transfer
Personally i think the Deepstack weekends should be catered for 1st as that's where the majority of ppl on here play? but if enough was raised do the GUKPT circuit too.

A question probs only tighty or tikay can answer though    Do you need permission to do these updates or if we raised enough money can you just rock up and do your thing?

Surely we can raise enough to at least cover the DTD events next year!!


Title: Re: Funding future live updates...........
Post by: TightEnd on December 22, 2010, 12:50:14 PM
As Tighty,Tikay and Sharples know i would happily contribute maybe anyone who is interested in doing so should post on here with the amount they are committed to.
I would happily put in £100 earth pounds for next year payable in cash  $$ or transfer
Personally i think the Deepstack weekends should be catered for 1st as that's where the majority of ppl on here play? but if enough was raised do the GUKPT circuit too.

A question probs only tighty or tikay can answer though    Do you need permission to do these updates or if we raised enough money can you just rock up and do your thing?

Surely we can raise enough to at least cover the DTD events next year!!


Need permission from any venue, first, hence my point about DTD above. I wouldn't just rock up. I hope DTD continue them anyway, in which case any money raised would go to non DTD events

As to GUKPTs, I know that there is unlikely to be a problem with permission


Title: Re: Funding future live updates...........
Post by: RED-DOG on December 22, 2010, 01:00:06 PM
I hope DTD continue them anyway, in which case any money raised would go to non DTD events



DTD pay, so we do others for free...

Doesn't seem quite fair to me.


Title: Re: Funding future live updates...........
Post by: GreekStein on December 22, 2010, 01:03:29 PM
I reckon we can get a blonde kitty together. Sooo many members and more who read these updates - they are a massive part of blonde.

I'm in.

Was going to say exactly the same as Red Dog though - would like to see some of this funding for DTD events. Love the monthly £300 updates as there's so many blondes that play it and DTD is the schnuts.


Title: Re: Funding future live updates...........
Post by: boldie on December 22, 2010, 01:14:09 PM
I hope DTD continue them anyway, in which case any money raised would go to non DTD events



DTD pay, so we do others for free...

Doesn't seem quite fair to me.

That's what I thought, can't blame Rob for not buying in to this one.


Title: Re: Funding future live updates...........
Post by: Amatay on December 22, 2010, 01:22:22 PM
I reckon we can get a blonde kitty together. Sooo many members and more who read these updates - they are a massive part of blonde.

I'm in.


+1


Title: Re: Funding future live updates...........
Post by: Dingdell on December 22, 2010, 01:24:01 PM
I reckon we can get a blonde kitty together. Sooo many members and more who read these updates - they are a massive part of blonde.

I'm in.

Was going to say exactly the same as Red Dog though - would like to see some of this funding for DTD events. Love the monthly £300 updates as there's so many blondes that play it and DTD is the schnuts.

FML - he makes a lot of sense.  :-*


Title: Re: Funding future live updates...........
Post by: outragous76 on December 22, 2010, 01:26:33 PM
There are def efficiencies In the process and I have already emailed my ideas to tighty on that. I have also had another great idea to improve the system which again I will send to tighty tonight!

I hope dtd would allow blonde to update the 300s as that is where there is the most immediate interest, as in more blonde regs play the than a 1k!  However I can absolutely see Reasons why they wouldn't and I guess you couldn't blame them if they do.

I think this situation will sort itself by a natural evolution, but new ideas can always help the evolutionary chain.



Title: Re: Funding future live updates...........
Post by: TightEnd on December 22, 2010, 02:04:20 PM
I hope DTD continue them anyway, in which case any money raised would go to non DTD events



DTD pay, so we do others for free...

Doesn't seem quite fair to me.

yeah it wasn't exactly what I meant, I expressed it clumsily

I'd like DTD to contiinue funding them. At the moment thats all the live updates we do. If not any money raised or earned by us would go to DTD updates first

As to extra live updates, and I have tried, the casinos won't pay for them. I know this is a reasonable concern of Rob's as he has helped blonde out in far more ways than any of the other providers of live events will ever do


Title: Re: Funding future live updates...........
Post by: boldie on December 22, 2010, 02:09:39 PM
So for the 12 DTD £300 updates a year, you'd need a minimum of £3k?

Surely we should be able to manage that between us?


Title: Re: Funding future live updates...........
Post by: TightEnd on December 22, 2010, 02:11:42 PM
So for the 12 DTD £300 updates a year, you'd need a minimum of £3k?

Surely we should be able to manage that between us?

Assuming DTD allow us to update, and its a one person update, once a month then £3,000 is about right

Community funding of the live updates makes a lot of sense actually


Title: Re: Funding future live updates...........
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on December 22, 2010, 02:19:25 PM


So why Don't We all pay for it then Sell advertising slots in it???  Like lets say Sky poker payed £?? to have a add running that tighy would keep posting and so on


Title: Re: Funding future live updates...........
Post by: Eso Kral on December 22, 2010, 02:20:47 PM
So for the 12 DTD £300 updates a year, you'd need a minimum of £3k?

Surely we should be able to manage that between us?

Assuming DTD allow us to update, and its a one person update, once a month then £3,000 is about right

Community funding of the live updates makes a lot of sense actually
But really £6000k is needed as the updates work much better with 2 people as the guys cant be walking around and typing at the same time!
Lets shoot for the stars and see what we get as opposed to just getting 3k and tighty left on his own all weekend unless any blondes who have busted out take up some of the strain!


Title: Re: Funding future live updates...........
Post by: TightEnd on December 22, 2010, 02:21:38 PM


So why Don't We all pay for it then Sell advertising slots in it???  Like lets say Sky poker payed £?? to have a add running that tighy would keep posting and so on


because you would be posting ads to an online competitor of DTD Online or G Casino Online even though the updates are focussed on the venue, the venues still own online operations

The Live updates would need permission of venue, permission of new sponsor and then funding assuming venue isn't to be asked..but would also need to be clear of competitor advertising

Rob has already made this plain, and its understandable.


Title: Re: Funding future live updates...........
Post by: tikay on December 22, 2010, 02:36:54 PM

Sorry Guys, this is all very lovely, & we are really appreciative of the community spirit.

But......

It's being assumed that DTD will allow us to do Updates. I think that is a dangerous assumption, if you don't mind me saying so.

They have, pointedly perhaps, & despite the fact that they share a lot of under-the-radar stuff with me, not told me or us what their plans are. Note they have not commented even once upon the welter of "let's keep the blonde/DTD Updates" comments which, in itself, is a clue, do you not think?

I remain on good terms with all at DTD, & don't wan't to see them backed into an embarrassing corner, really.

But it's my understanding that there WILL still be DTD Live Updates. Just not on blonde. There may, or may not, be commercial issues over which we have no control here.

Updates away from DTD are another matter, & if Members want to chip in a few bob, I'll certainly stand my corner, & then some. I have in mind at least one per Month, maybe a GUKPT, & some other stuff. If I can find a little funding, I'll top it up personally if & as long as I can manage it. 

DTD Updates on blonde are the cornerstone of this Site, & will be much missed, no doubt about it. But I just don't want to make what is increasingly looking like an embarrassing position worse than it is.  DTD never do stuff without careful thought, & must have good reasons to sever their ties with blonde. Perhaps a little creative thinking on our part as to how we are, where we are, would be in order. I DO know that DTD were a little less than pleased with some aspects of, err, blonde stuff.

I hope this Post is seen in the constructive way it is intended.


Title: Re: Funding future live updates...........
Post by: tikay on December 22, 2010, 02:37:48 PM


So why Don't We all pay for it then Sell advertising slots in it???  Like lets say Sky poker payed £?? to have a add running that tighy would keep posting and so on

I'm not entirely sure our new Sponsor(s) or DTD would buy that!


Title: Re: Funding future live updates...........
Post by: GreekStein on December 22, 2010, 02:43:15 PM
There are several companies that make chip sets or tables or poker clothing that could certainly come some way to contributing some advertising revenue.


Title: Re: Funding future live updates...........
Post by: RickBFA on December 22, 2010, 06:16:47 PM

Sorry Guys, this is all very lovely, & we are really appreciative of the community spirit.

But......

It's being assumed that DTD will allow us to do Updates. I think that is a dangerous assumption, if you don't mind me saying so.

They have, pointedly perhaps, & despite the fact that they share a lot of under-the-radar stuff with me, not told me or us what their plans are. Note they have not commented even once upon the welter of "let's keep the blonde/DTD Updates" comments which, in itself, is a clue, do you not think?

I remain on good terms with all at DTD, & don't wan't to see them backed into an embarrassing corner, really.

But it's my understanding that there WILL still be DTD Live Updates. Just not on blonde. There may, or may not, be commercial issues over which we have no control here.

Updates away from DTD are another matter, & if Members want to chip in a few bob, I'll certainly stand my corner, & then some. I have in mind at least one per Month, maybe a GUKPT, & some other stuff. If I can find a little funding, I'll top it up personally if & as long as I can manage it. 

DTD Updates on blonde are the cornerstone of this Site, & will be much missed, no doubt about it. But I just don't want to make what is increasingly looking like an embarrassing position worse than it is.  DTD never do stuff without careful thought, & must have good reasons to sever their ties with blonde. Perhaps a little creative thinking on our part as to how we are, where we are, would be in order. I DO know that DTD were a little less than pleased with some aspects of, err, blonde stuff.

I hope this Post is seen in the constructive way it is intended.


It's clear the issue is more compliacated than just funding. No one is wanting to embarass DTD, maybe the situation could be clarified in due course and then members could offer funding if blonde updates are an option at there?




Title: Re: Funding future live updates...........
Post by: mondatoo on December 22, 2010, 06:28:09 PM
It would be great to keep the updates for the DTD monthly comps and 1k's but even if they do have a deal setup with someone else the GUKPT updates also where good and there was some incred ones in the past.I dont think a thread with people all saying I'll give x amount of £ is the way to do it though as some people might like to give a small but still helpful amount or some might not like to say.I do think it would be great if Blonde had an account on Stars/Paypal or just a bank account setup so that people can choose to give towards future updates and then update the GUKPT's.Not sure if that's still possible but as far as I'm aware the only current updates are a GUKPT blog ?


Title: Re: Funding future live updates...........
Post by: tikay on December 22, 2010, 06:28:40 PM

Sorry Guys, this is all very lovely, & we are really appreciative of the community spirit.

But......

It's being assumed that DTD will allow us to do Updates. I think that is a dangerous assumption, if you don't mind me saying so.

They have, pointedly perhaps, & despite the fact that they share a lot of under-the-radar stuff with me, not told me or us what their plans are. Note they have not commented even once upon the welter of "let's keep the blonde/DTD Updates" comments which, in itself, is a clue, do you not think?

I remain on good terms with all at DTD, & don't wan't to see them backed into an embarrassing corner, really.

But it's my understanding that there WILL still be DTD Live Updates. Just not on blonde. There may, or may not, be commercial issues over which we have no control here.

Updates away from DTD are another matter, & if Members want to chip in a few bob, I'll certainly stand my corner, & then some. I have in mind at least one per Month, maybe a GUKPT, & some other stuff. If I can find a little funding, I'll top it up personally if & as long as I can manage it. 

DTD Updates on blonde are the cornerstone of this Site, & will be much missed, no doubt about it. But I just don't want to make what is increasingly looking like an embarrassing position worse than it is.  DTD never do stuff without careful thought, & must have good reasons to sever their ties with blonde. Perhaps a little creative thinking on our part as to how we are, where we are, would be in order. I DO know that DTD were a little less than pleased with some aspects of, err, blonde stuff.

I hope this Post is seen in the constructive way it is intended.


It's clear the issue is more compliacated than just funding. No one is wanting to embarass DTD, maybe the situation could be clarified in due course and then members could offer funding if blonde updates are an option at there?




Of course, but we have nothing to clarify, that has to come from DTD. Everything Rich & I know, pretty much, (aside from a few private matters not wholly relevant) has been Posted by us.

I'd like to add to my earlier Post that if DTD were to allow blonde to continue Updating their Events, naturally, if funding were the issue, I would do whatever I could to assist. In fact, I'd go further - I'll fund the first three myself, though some Community contributions would be better in a way, as it gives ownership. And with ownership, comes responsibility, & care. Which might be a better model......

So that's all I can say, really. If we are granted access, we'll do them, but I think it would be unwise to assume we will. I hope I'm wrong, of course I do.

I have to add, because someone rung me & asked, that I have NOT fallen out with anyone at DTD, (that I know of!), I am still in regular & friendly contact with Nick, Rob & Simon, & I continue to wish them the success they deserve. Unlike my earlier Post, you don't have to read between THAT line. ;)