Title: 100NLHU set on flushy board Post by: pleno1 on December 28, 2010, 07:32:21 PM Against losing reg that likes to 3bet alot. Started barrelling alot but recently been checking behind turns/rivers. First c/r of the whole match which has been around 150-200 hands. Picked off three bluffs when he had bet $12 into $16 on river. Thoughts here, b/f, c/c/, c/f, b/c, c/r.
Seat 1: cusetown315 ($158.35) Seat 2: pads1161 ($191.75) cusetown315 posts the small blind of $0.50 pads1161 posts the big blind of $1 The button is in seat #1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to pads1161 [9s 9h] cusetown315 raises to $3 pads1161 calls $2 *** FLOP *** [4s 8s 9d] pads1161 checks cusetown315 bets $4 pads1161 raises to $12 cusetown315 calls $8 *** TURN *** [4s 8s 9d] [7h] pads1161 bets $25 cusetown315 calls $25 *** RIVER *** [4s 8s 9d 7h] [Qs] pads1161 ? Title: Re: 100NLHU set on flushy board Post by: DMorgan on December 28, 2010, 08:12:50 PM Not sure why you're not 3betting here but this should be a 3bet every time. Flop c/r is fine/standard. I like the turn bet sizing and I'd bet/fold $40 on the river
Title: Re: 100NLHU set on flushy board Post by: pleno1 on December 28, 2010, 08:55:14 PM Hey Dan.
I was 3betting a huge amount (Card rack) and he was folding a super huge %, havn't got HEM up, but he wasn't defending my 3bets at all. I thought it was quite a good hand to call and play the streets as we were starting to get deeper. Thing with bet folding, what hands do we expect to pay us off? I thought his range was a combination of flushes and showdown cards (8x 1010 and perhaps some 2 pair hands) but I thought my range was either sets/straighsts/flushes, so he would fold all his showdown hands? Or is this a bad way to think of it? Title: Re: 100NLHU set on flushy board Post by: SuuPRlim on December 28, 2010, 09:26:13 PM but I thought my range was either sets/straighsts/flushes, so he would fold all his showdown hands? Or is this a bad way to think of it? your prolly right, but he'll also chk back all those hands + and I think he has one of these too often to chk Title: Re: 100NLHU set on flushy board Post by: pleno1 on December 28, 2010, 09:30:12 PM but I thought my range was either sets/straighsts/flushes, so he would fold all his showdown hands? Or is this a bad way to think of it? your prolly right, but he'll also chk back all those hands + and I think he has one of these too often to chk You think he calls with two pair? My c/r range on the flop is probably a mixture of combo draws, j10, spades, sets and two pairs. I surely don't bet 89/58 on this turn/river? So my river value range should be flushes/straights/sets, the latter perhaps not too often, so he needs like j10 minimum to call? (which beats us) Title: Re: 100NLHU set on flushy board Post by: AlexMartin on December 28, 2010, 09:31:05 PM Against losing reg that likes to 3bet alot. Started barrelling alot but recently been checking behind turns/rivers. First c/r of the whole match which has been around 150-200 hands. Picked off three bluffs when he had bet $12 into $16 on river. Thoughts here, b/f, c/c/, c/f, b/c, c/r. Seat 1: cusetown315 ($158.35) Seat 2: pads1161 ($191.75) cusetown315 posts the small blind of $0.50 pads1161 posts the big blind of $1 The button is in seat #1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to pads1161 [9s 9h] cusetown315 raises to $3 pads1161 calls $2 *** FLOP *** [4s 8s 9d] pads1161 checks cusetown315 bets $4 pads1161 raises to $12 cusetown315 calls $8 *** TURN *** [4s 8s 9d] [7h] pads1161 bets $25 cusetown315 calls $25 *** RIVER *** [4s 8s 9d 7h] [Qs] pads1161 ? this is the 1st time you have cr'd this match? regardless, you should deffo cr bigger and bet turn bigger i think Title: Re: 100NLHU set on flushy board Post by: AlexMartin on December 28, 2010, 09:31:43 PM but I thought my range was either sets/straighsts/flushes, so he would fold all his showdown hands? Or is this a bad way to think of it? your prolly right, but he'll also chk back all those hands + and I think he has one of these too often to chk You think he calls with two pair? My c/r range on the flop is probably a mixture of combo draws, j10, spades, sets and two pairs. I surely don't bet 89/58 on this turn/river? So my river value range should be flushes/straights/sets, the latter perhaps not too often, so he needs like j10 minimum to call? (which beats us) agree w this, c/f river as played. Title: Re: 100NLHU set on flushy board Post by: pleno1 on December 28, 2010, 09:40:26 PM Against losing reg that likes to 3bet alot. Started barrelling alot but recently been checking behind turns/rivers. First c/r of the whole match which has been around 150-200 hands. Picked off three bluffs when he had bet $12 into $16 on river. Thoughts here, b/f, c/c/, c/f, b/c, c/r. Seat 1: cusetown315 ($158.35) Seat 2: pads1161 ($191.75) cusetown315 posts the small blind of $0.50 pads1161 posts the big blind of $1 The button is in seat #1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to pads1161 [9s 9h] cusetown315 raises to $3 pads1161 calls $2 *** FLOP *** [4s 8s 9d] pads1161 checks cusetown315 bets $4 pads1161 raises to $12 cusetown315 calls $8 *** TURN *** [4s 8s 9d] [7h] pads1161 bets $25 cusetown315 calls $25 *** RIVER *** [4s 8s 9d 7h] [Qs] pads1161 ? this is the 1st time you have cr'd this match? regardless, you should deffo cr bigger and bet turn bigger i think Yeah I'd 3bet alottttttt, when I had peeled I almost always had showdown kinda hands. He had c/r once on k23 and I'd gave up. He had made it $12 after I cbet $4. What do you think is a good c/r size and river size? I was going for $12, $25 (into $29) and then either $63 or $91 (into $79) depending on river cards. Title: Re: 100NLHU set on flushy board Post by: silverslick on December 28, 2010, 10:05:38 PM Did you consider check calling. It allows him to bluff off. If he has nothing he won't call your bet and gives you more chance to get to showdown.
Title: Re: 100NLHU set on flushy board Post by: pleno1 on December 28, 2010, 10:10:00 PM Did you consider check calling. It allows him to bluff off. If he has nothing he won't call your bet and gives you more chance to get to showdown. But I thin he very rarely has air, he either has bluffcatchers/flushes imo, so c/c would probably only be calling against better hands. This is my thought process anyway. Title: Re: 100NLHU set on flushy board Post by: DMorgan on December 28, 2010, 10:36:00 PM I agree that c/c is the worst option
Quote You think he calls with two pair? My c/r range on the flop is probably a mixture of combo draws, j10, spades, sets and two pairs. I surely don't bet 89/58 on this turn/river? So my river value range should be flushes/straights/sets, the latter perhaps not too often, so he needs like j10 minimum to call? (which beats us) I would warn against giving losing players this much credit. People love hero calling and you're almost never going to get bluff raised by a losing reg Title: Re: 100NLHU set on flushy board Post by: SuuPRlim on December 28, 2010, 11:18:21 PM yh imo ur options are
b/f - c/f - c/c in that order and I think c/c is bad Quote You think he calls with two pair? My c/r range on the flop is probably a mixture of combo draws, j10, spades, sets and two pairs. I surely don't bet 89/58 on this turn/river? So my river value range should be flushes/straights/sets, the latter perhaps not too often, so he needs like j10 minimum to call? (which beats us) No i agree he'll fold the majority of the time, but I also think his range lies pretty heavily in the direction of 1/2p hands and he'll only need to hero us a pretty small % of the time to show a decent profit I bet/folding i think - assuming he never raises as a bluff which i think he never will. :) Title: Re: 100NLHU set on flushy board Post by: cambridgealex on December 29, 2010, 12:31:38 AM I agree that bet/fold is the best line. Check/folding isnt great but much better than c/c or anything else. How much is a good amount to bet here?
Title: Re: 100NLHU set on flushy board Post by: AlexMartin on December 30, 2010, 12:48:48 AM I agree that bet/fold is the best line. Check/folding isnt great but much better than c/c or anything else. How much is a good amount to bet here? 1/2 pot, its inexploitable as we play all our flushes like this too............... Title: Re: 100NLHU set on flushy board Post by: Whollyflush on December 30, 2010, 01:30:43 AM Usually id b/f the river, however on this board texture it might be better to c/f.
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